FYI - Day as God Ordained.

And as it is understood in the Orthodox Church.

Post by Robert
This Timing is also the correct time to utilize and understand for the time
of the Crucifixion, and the timing of the 3 days and nights that Jesus spent
in the belly of this earth. Which has nothing to due with “Good Friday”
nor the religious days celebrated by many churches who just traditionally
follow the ways of the RCC of old. For instance, “Easter” is not found in
the NT in the original Greek NT, is is only found in the Vulgate, Latin a
later translated to English versions.

"Easter" found in the Vulgate? Really?

It's a Germanic thing, not a Latin thing.

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Post by Robert
“And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night, and there
was evening and there was morning, the first day.” (Gen 1:5, Brenton)
Yupper’s! A Full Day starts at evening time and ends at evening time, as is
understood by the Middle East. Night is still Night, and Day, Day.
Why is this important? Prophetic times in Scripture are based on the Calendar
timing as created by the Creator. Every year starts on the 1st day of the
Month in which Passover is celebrated, which is based on the Lunar Calendar.
Every Day starts in the Evening.
This Timing is also the correct time to utilize and understand for the time
of the Crucifixion, and the timing of the 3 days and nights that Jesus spent
in the belly of this earth. Which has nothing to due with “Good Friday”
nor the religious days celebrated by many churches who just traditionally
follow the ways of the RCC of old. For instance, “Easter” is not found in
the NT in the original Greek NT, is is only found in the Vulgate, Latin a
later translated to English versions.
The importance of the above info needs to be understood in order to properly
project prophecy fulfillment as given by God to man.

According to the Bible, Jesus was crucified on what we call Friday. He was
resurrected on Sunday, which was three days after He permitted Himself to
be in physical control of the dark forces of this World [Thursday night]
which is when he said to those who arrested Him, "but this is your hour,
and the power of darkness." ~ Luke 22:53

These are events of the highest significance that have rich spiritual meaning
to those whose hearts are surrendered to Jesus.

However since Satan hates Jesus, he will work upon the minds of some who
are unstable to focus on some false technicality in attempt to destroy the rich
spiritual meaning of the event.

In the Name of Jesus

2024-11-11 00:06:33 UTC

According to the Bible, Jesus was crucified on what we call Friday. He was
resurrected on Sunday, which was three days after He permitted Himself to
be in physical control of the dark forces of this World [Thursday night]
which is when he said to those who arrested Him, "but this is your hour,
and the power of darkness." ~ Luke 22:53
These are events of the highest significance that have rich spiritual meaning
to those whose hearts are surrendered to Jesus.
However since Satan hates Jesus, he will work upon the minds of some who
are unstable to focus on some false technicality in attempt to destroy the rich
spiritual meaning of the event.

As I understood it in Judaism, 1 minute to midnight on Friday to 1
minute after midnight on Sunday is counted a 3 days, depending on what
hour their days begin and end.

In the Name of Jesus
--
God is God in all His Being. All the glory is His, for He is all glory.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30 I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything, He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free, and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

"The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence or proof is to be found."

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not so that a book could pass
through it for a sinner to play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: a man full of bluster and bullshit in his
meaninglessness pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

"What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence."

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God; God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

"Atheism: "The claim that life received from itself."

"But remember this: always, absolutely always, all the glory is the
Lord's and His alone, and anyone who takes any credit for anything, you
know, instantly, he is not what he pretends to be and is a false prophet."

"That light had to bear (bears all things) the darkness for us, but that
light did not ever become darkness."

"You must reach beyond the bible that tells you about Him, and into your
daily life to find Him in Person. He's there."

"What is wrong with Christendom? False understanding based on compromise."

"It is not in man to love his enemies. And if he tries, he is walking in
a lie and trying to raise himself up to the level of God."

"God has to be quiet now; we have our bible. Well, then, who is going to
speak?"

"It is all about the Lord in His glory and whether a man loves Him with
all for who He is."

"A son of God became the bible when he was born again because the Holy
Spirit took up residence in his heart as Lord."

Robert

2024-11-11 05:08:14 UTC

Then according to you, he was killed Friday afternoon, and laid in the ground
before evening, since upon Friday evening, our time, their Sabbath began.
That was night 1. Then the next evening was Sunday, their time Meaning night
2, and Sunday morning He arose Day 2. Which is two nights and two days, not
three as the Lord Jesus prophesied.

“When I was daily with you in the temple, ye stretched forth no hands
against me: but this is your hour, and the power of darkness.” (Luk 22:53,
KJV)

So how does that verse support what you are trying to say.?

Post by Andrew
These are events of the highest significance that have rich spiritual meaning
to those whose hearts are surrendered to Jesus.

That event has everything to do with Life Eternal, yet what you claim appears
to deny the prophecy that Jesus spoke.

Post by Andrew
However since Satan hates Jesus, he will work upon the minds of some who
are unstable to focus on some false technicality in attempt to destroy the
rich spiritual meaning of the event.

That is very true. So then, what is false and what is true?

And here is a clue for you to ponder. How many sabbath days were there that
week?

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2024-11-11 13:45:22 UTC

Post by Robert
“And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night, and there
was evening and there was morning, the first day.” (Gen 1:5, Brenton)
Yupper’s! A Full Day starts at evening time and ends at evening time, as
is understood by the Middle East. Night is still Night, and Day, Day.
Why is this important? Prophetic times in Scripture are based on the Calendar
timing as created by the Creator. Every year starts on the 1st day of the
Month in which Passover is celebrated, which is based on the Lunar Calendar.
Every Day starts in the Evening.
This Timing is also the correct time to utilize and understand for the time
of the Crucifixion, and the timing of the 3 days and nights that Jesus spent
in the belly of this earth. Which has nothing to due with “Good Friday”
nor the religious days celebrated by many churches who just traditionally
follow the ways of the RCC of old. For instance, “Easter” is not found in
the NT in the original Greek NT, is is only found in the Vulgate, Latin a
later translated to English versions.
The importance of the above info needs to be understood in order to properly
project prophecy fulfillment as given by God to man.

Then according to you, he was killed Friday afternoon, and laid in the ground
before evening, since upon Friday evening, our time, their Sabbath began.
That was night 1. Then the next evening was Sunday, their time Meaning night
2, and Sunday morning He arose Day 2. Which is two nights and two days, not
three as the Lord Jesus prophesied.
“When I was daily with you in the temple, ye stretched forth no hands
against me: but this is your hour, and the power of darkness.” (Luk 22:53,
KJV)

You are trying to establish a doctrine based upon a narrow and
false understanding of Matthew 12:40.

"For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly;
so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart
of the earth." ~ Matthew 12:40.

The term, "heart of the earth" as used here is a, "figure of speech"
which is a non-literal literary device. But you are trying to force
a literal interpretation out of it, which is out of harmony with the
rest of the Bible, and the words of Jesus.

Post by Robert
So how does that verse support what you are trying to say.?

Jesus did not descend down to the center of the planet. But
He was in the control of the dark forces of this realm from
that time [Thursday night] until He was resurrected on
Sunday morning.

Post by Andrew
These are events of the highest significance that have rich spiritual
meaning to those whose hearts are surrendered to Jesus.

That event has everything to do with Life Eternal, yet what you claim
appears to deny the prophecy that Jesus spoke.

What Jesus said was true, but your narrow interpretation of what He said
was false. You falsely interpret what He said, and ignore the context that
He gave to it in the rest of the Gospels.

Here is some biblical context on the issue. The following texts are
all the words of Jesus, and they all say that He was to be raised on,
"THE THIRD DAY"...which was Sunday morning. (Luke 24:21)

" From that time forth began Jesus to show unto his disciples,
how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things
of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and
be raised again the third day." Matthew 16:21

"Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be
betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they
shall condemn him to death, And shall deliver him to the
Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify him: and
the third day he shall rise again." Matthew 20:18.19

"For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of
man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him;
and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day." Mark 9:31

"He took again the twelve, and began to tell them what things
should happen unto him, Saying, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem;
and the Son of man shall be delivered unto the chief priests, and
unto the scribes; and they shall condemn him to death, and shall
deliver him to the Gentiles:And they shall mock him, and shall
scourge him, and shall spit upon him, and shall kill him: and the
third day he shall rise again."
Mark 10:32-34

"The Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the
elders and chief priests and scribes, and be slain, and be raised
the third day." Luke 9:22 .

"For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked,
and spitefully entreated, and spitted on:And they shall scourge
him and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again."
Luke 18:32

The "third day" was Sunday morning. ~ Luke 24:21

According to the Bible, Jesus was arrested on Thursday,
crucified on Friday, and was resurrected on Sunday.

Those who love Jesus are extremely thankful for all that
He went through for us.

Robert

2024-11-11 17:21:25 UTC

Post by Robert
“And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night, and there
was evening and there was morning, the first day.” (Gen 1:5, Brenton)
Yupper’s! A Full Day starts at evening time and ends at evening time, as
is understood by the Middle East. Night is still Night, and Day, Day.
Why is this important? Prophetic times in Scripture are based on the Calendar
timing as created by the Creator. Every year starts on the 1st day of the
Month in which Passover is celebrated, which is based on the Lunar Calendar.
Every Day starts in the Evening.
This Timing is also the correct time to utilize and understand for the time
of the Crucifixion, and the timing of the 3 days and nights that Jesus spent
in the belly of this earth. Which has nothing to due with “Good Friday”
nor the religious days celebrated by many churches who just traditionally
follow the ways of the RCC of old. For instance, “Easter” is not found in
the NT in the original Greek NT, is is only found in the Vulgate, Latin a
later translated to English versions.
The importance of the above info needs to be understood in order to properly
project prophecy fulfillment as given by God to man.

Then according to you, he was killed Friday afternoon, and laid in the ground
before evening, since upon Friday evening, our time, their Sabbath began.
That was night 1. Then the next evening was Sunday, their time Meaning night
2, and Sunday morning He arose Day 2. Which is two nights and two days, not
three as the Lord Jesus prophesied.
“When I was daily with you in the temple, ye stretched forth no hands
against me: but this is your hour, and the power of darkness.” (Luk 22:53,
KJV)

You are trying to establish a doctrine based upon a narrow and
false understanding of Matthew 12:40.
"For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly;
so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart
of the earth." ~ Matthew 12:40.
The term, "heart of the earth" as used here is a, "figure of speech"
which is a non-literal literary device. But you are trying to force
a literal interpretation out of it, which is out of harmony with the
rest of the Bible, and the words of Jesus.

John 2
19 esus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I
will raise it up.

20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and
wilt thou rear it up in three days?

21But he spake of the temple of his body.

Ephesians 4:9(KJV)

9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the
lower parts of the earth?

There is much scripture like those above which supports what Jesus Spoke.
Both in the old as well as the new testaments.

This is not from the doctrine of men, but of God. So before you start
throwing out accusation after accusations, you would do well to study the
full word of God.

Post by Robert
So how does that verse support what you are trying to say.?

Jesus did not descend down to the center of the planet. But
He was in the control of the dark forces of this realm from
that time [Thursday night] until He was resurrected on
Sunday morning.

You are changing goal posts here, why? As you stated, our current Thursday
night was their beginning of Friday. And if you were to read scripture,
similar tp that which I showed you from above, you would see that he
descended into the belly of the earth, as Jonah. The heart == is understood
as “the Center” even today.

Post by Andrew
These are events of the highest significance that have rich spiritual
meaning to those whose hearts are surrendered to Jesus.

That event has everything to do with Life Eternal, yet what you claim
appears to deny the prophecy that Jesus spoke.

What Jesus said was true, but your narrow interpretation of what He said
was false. You falsely interpret what He said, and ignore the context that
He gave to it in the rest of the Gospels.
Here is some biblical context on the issue. The following texts are
all the words of Jesus, and they all say that He was to be raised on,
"THE THIRD DAY"...which was Sunday morning. (Luke 24:21)
" From that time forth began Jesus to show unto his disciples,
how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things
of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and
be raised again the third day." Matthew 16:21
"Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be
betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they
shall condemn him to death, And shall deliver him to the
Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify him: and
the third day he shall rise again." Matthew 20:18.19
"For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of
man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him;
and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day." Mark 9:31
"He took again the twelve, and began to tell them what things
should happen unto him, Saying, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem;
and the Son of man shall be delivered unto the chief priests, and
unto the scribes; and they shall condemn him to death, and shall
deliver him to the Gentiles:And they shall mock him, and shall
scourge him, and shall spit upon him, and shall kill him: and the
third day he shall rise again."
Mark 10:32-34
"The Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the
elders and chief priests and scribes, and be slain, and be raised
the third day." Luke 9:22 .
"For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked,
and spitefully entreated, and spitted on:And they shall scourge
him and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again."
Luke 18:32
The "third day" was Sunday morning. ~ Luke 24:21

You refuse to see the obvious. The timing of all this begins when Jesus was
buried. NOT when he was killed. Day as in 24 hours began at sunset in that
time, and no matter how you try to gerrymander things, that is a fixed fact,
and it is how things occurred in that day in their everyday real life. God
established the meaning of ‘Day' at the time of creation of all things you
see. Day begins in the evening.

Post by Andrew
According to the Bible, Jesus was arrested on Thursday,
crucified on Friday, and was resurrected on Sunday.

Now you are changing things again, and from your original statement, so just
what is truth? What you first described it, or now describe it? And what is
the “day” that was described in the Bible? When and what was their
’sabbath day’?

Also, if you wanted to count days as you surmised it here, then your first
day would be Thursday, and the third day would be Saturday.

Post by Andrew
Those who love Jesus are extremely thankful for all that
He went through for us.

Yes, they are and well should be, and as HE described it.

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2024-11-12 14:08:18 UTC

Post by Robert
“And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night, and
there was evening and there was morning, the first day.” (Gen 1:5, Brenton)
Yupper’s! A Full Day starts at evening time and ends at evening time, as
is understood by the Middle East. Night is still Night, and Day, Day.
Why is this important? Prophetic times in Scripture are based on the Calendar
timing as created by the Creator. Every year starts on the 1st day of the
Month in which Passover is celebrated, which is based on the Lunar Calendar.
Every Day starts in the Evening.
This Timing is also the correct time to utilize and understand for the time
of the Crucifixion, and the timing of the 3 days and nights that Jesus spent
in the belly of this earth. Which has nothing to due with “Good Friday”
nor the religious days celebrated by many churches who just traditionally
follow the ways of the RCC of old. For instance, “Easter” is not found in
the NT in the original Greek NT, is is only found in the Vulgate, Latin a
later translated to English versions.
The importance of the above info needs to be understood in order to
properly project prophecy fulfillment as given by God to man.

Then according to you, he was killed Friday afternoon, and laid in the
ground before evening,

According to the Bible, Jesus was crucified on what we call Friday and He was
resurrected on Sunday, That is easy for anyone to see who carefully reads the
gospels.

Post by Robert
since upon Friday evening, our time, their Sabbath began.
That was night 1. Then the next evening was Sunday, their time Meaning night
2, and Sunday morning He arose Day 2. Which is two nights and two days, not
three as the Lord Jesus prophesied.

You are trying to fit everything into your false interpretation of Matthew 12:40.
All the while ignoring what Jesus repeatedly told His disciples on this very topic.
You have made this false teaching of yours an *idol* in willful violation of the
commandments of the Most High God. And in willful rejection of the words of
Jesus.

When you willfully reject the words of Jesus, you are in effect rejecting Him.
You are free to descend down this path that you have chosen. Even as Lucifer
was free to rebel against God when he was in heaven. But you are also free to
reject Satan and choose life in the awesome power of the name of Jesus.

Post by Andrew
You are trying to establish a doctrine based upon a narrow and
false understanding of Matthew 12:40.
"For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly;
so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart
of the earth." ~ Matthew 12:40.
The term, "heart of the earth" as used here is a, "figure of speech"
which is a non-literal literary device. But you are trying to force
a literal interpretation out of it, which is out of harmony with the
rest of the Bible, and the words of Jesus.

John 2
19 esus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in
three days I will raise it up.

Which is exactly what happened. On the third day He was raised up.

Post by Robert
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and
wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21But he spake of the temple of his body.
Ephesians 4:9(KJV)
9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the
lower parts of the earth?
There is much scripture like those above which supports what Jesus Spoke.
Both in the old as well as the new testaments.

Yes, but they don't support your out of context interpretation.

Post by Robert
This is not from the doctrine of men, but of God.

Your out of context interpretation is_ not_from God.

Post by Robert
So before you start throwing out accusation after accusations,
you would do well to study the full word of God.

If you actually did that, you would see where your
interpretation was contrary to the words of Jesus.

Post by Robert
So how does that verse support what you are trying to say.?

Jesus did not descend down to the center of the planet. But
He was in the control of the dark forces of this realm from
that time [Thursday night] until He was resurrected on
Sunday morning.

Post by Andrew
These are events of the highest significance that have rich spiritual
meaning to those whose hearts are surrendered to Jesus.

That event has everything to do with Life Eternal, yet what you claim
appears to deny the prophecy that Jesus spoke.

What Jesus said was true, but your narrow interpretation of what He said
was false. You falsely interpret what He said, and ignore the context that
He gave to it in the rest of the Gospels.
Here is some biblical context on the issue. The following texts are
all the words of Jesus, and they all say that He was to be raised on,
"THE THIRD DAY"...which was Sunday morning. (Luke 24:21)
" From that time forth began Jesus to show unto his disciples,
how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things
of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and
be raised again the third day." Matthew 16:21
"Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be
betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they
shall condemn him to death, And shall deliver him to the
Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify him: and
the third day he shall rise again." Matthew 20:18.19
"For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of
man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him;
and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day." Mark 9:31
"He took again the twelve, and began to tell them what things
should happen unto him, Saying, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem;
and the Son of man shall be delivered unto the chief priests, and
unto the scribes; and they shall condemn him to death, and shall
deliver him to the Gentiles:And they shall mock him, and shall
scourge him, and shall spit upon him, and shall kill him: and the
third day he shall rise again."
Mark 10:32-34
"The Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the
elders and chief priests and scribes, and be slain, and be raised
the third day." Luke 9:22 .
"For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked,
and spitefully entreated, and spitted on:And they shall scourge
him and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again."
Luke 18:32
The "third day" was Sunday morning. ~ Luke 24:21

You refuse to see the obvious.

Your contention is with Jesus, because those were all
HIS WORDS that were cited.

Post by Robert
The timing of all this begins when Jesus was buried. NOT
when he was killed.

Jesus told exactly what was to happen to Him, and that He
would rise again on "the third day".The Bible testifies that
this is exactly what happened.

These are events of the highest significance that have rich
spiritual meaning to those whose hearts are surrendered to
Jesus.

However since Satan hates Jesus, he will work upon the
minds of some who are unstable to focus on some false
technicality in attempt to destroy the rich spiritual
meaning of these awesome events..

Post by Robert
Day as in 24 hours began at sunset in that
time, and no matter how you try to gerrymander things, that is a fixed fact,
and it is how things occurred in that day in their everyday real life. God
established the meaning of ‘Day' at the time of creation of all things you
see. Day begins in the evening.

According to your understanding, please state exactly what day
you say He was crucified and what day you say He was raised.

The Bible is clear on these things. But tells us what you say, if
you have the courage to do so.

Robert

2024-11-15 07:57:28 UTC

Post by Robert
“And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night, and
there was evening and there was morning, the first day.” (Gen 1:5,
Brenton)
Yupper’s! A Full Day starts at evening time and ends at evening time,
as
is understood by the Middle East. Night is still Night, and Day, Day.
Why is this important? Prophetic times in Scripture are based on the
Calendar
timing as created by the Creator. Every year starts on the 1st day of
the
Month in which Passover is celebrated, which is based on the Lunar
Calendar.
Every Day starts in the Evening.
This Timing is also the correct time to utilize and understand for the
time
of the Crucifixion, and the timing of the 3 days and nights that Jesus
spent
in the belly of this earth. Which has nothing to due with “Good
Friday”
nor the religious days celebrated by many churches who just
traditionally
follow the ways of the RCC of old. For instance, “Easter” is not
found
in
the NT in the original Greek NT, is is only found in the Vulgate, Latin
a
later translated to English versions.
The importance of the above info needs to be understood in order to
properly project prophecy fulfillment as given by God to man.

Then according to you, he was killed Friday afternoon, and laid in the
ground before evening,

According to the Bible, Jesus was crucified on what we call Friday and He was
resurrected on Sunday, That is easy for anyone to see who carefully reads the
gospels.

Then show it, where is that found?
Our time has no bearing on the times and days that they lived in.

Ask yourself, when we he buried? And why was the rush to get in into the
Ground? IOW to bury him. Our Friday evening was the beginning of their
Sabbath day. Saturday to you. And the timing of three days and three nights
began with his burial. Therefor there must be, three night events and also
three day events. Count them. You show only two nights.

You are trying to fit everything into your false interpretation of Matthew 12:40.

Really? How?“For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's
belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of
the earth.” (Mat 12:40, KJV)

That shows three or each part of a day. Show us all how your timing fits into
this. As well as the Heart/Center of the earth.

Post by Andrew
All the while ignoring what Jesus repeatedly told His disciples on this very topic.
You have made this false teaching of yours an *idol* in willful violation of the
commandments of the Most High God. And in willful rejection of the words of
Jesus.

You have not shown any proof of me doing that. Nor have you shown and
explained from scripture where I erred. Anybody can accuse others, Democrats
do it all the time, and here you do it also. Again, How many Sabbaths were
there that week. The Week of his being sacrificed?

Post by Andrew
When you willfully reject the words of Jesus, you are in effect rejecting Him.
You are free to descend down this path that you have chosen. Even as Lucifer
was free to rebel against God when he was in heaven. But you are also free to
reject Satan and choose life in the awesome power of the name of Jesus.

Again with your false accusations, Your innuendoes. In the name of Jesus
prove your words, back them up with scripture. Or be known as a liar, and a
false witness.
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John 2
19 esus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in
three days I will raise it up.

Which is exactly what happened. On the third day He was raised up.

Yes, but they don't support your out of context interpretation.

Post by Robert
This is not from the doctrine of men, but of God.

Your out of context interpretation is_ not_from God.

Post by Robert
So before you start throwing out accusation after accusations,
you would do well to study the full word of God.

If you actually did that, you would see where your
interpretation was contrary to the words of Jesus.

Post by Robert
So how does that verse support what you are trying to say.?

Jesus did not descend down to the center of the planet. But
He was in the control of the dark forces of this realm from
that time [Thursday night] until He was resurrected on
Sunday morning.

Post by Andrew
These are events of the highest significance that have rich spiritual
meaning to those whose hearts are surrendered to Jesus.

That event has everything to do with Life Eternal, yet what you claim
appears to deny the prophecy that Jesus spoke.

What Jesus said was true, but your narrow interpretation of what He said
was false. You falsely interpret what He said, and ignore the context that
He gave to it in the rest of the Gospels.
Here is some biblical context on the issue. The following texts are
all the words of Jesus, and they all say that He was to be raised on,
"THE THIRD DAY"...which was Sunday morning. (Luke 24:21)
" From that time forth began Jesus to show unto his disciples,
how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things
of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and
be raised again the third day." Matthew 16:21
"Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be
betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they
shall condemn him to death, And shall deliver him to the
Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify him: and
the third day he shall rise again." Matthew 20:18.19
"For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of
man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him;
and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day." Mark 9:31
"He took again the twelve, and began to tell them what things
should happen unto him, Saying, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem;
and the Son of man shall be delivered unto the chief priests, and
unto the scribes; and they shall condemn him to death, and shall
deliver him to the Gentiles:And they shall mock him, and shall
scourge him, and shall spit upon him, and shall kill him: and the
third day he shall rise again."
Mark 10:32-34
"The Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the
elders and chief priests and scribes, and be slain, and be raised
the third day." Luke 9:22 .
"For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked,
and spitefully entreated, and spitted on:And they shall scourge
him and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again."
Luke 18:32
The "third day" was Sunday morning. ~ Luke 24:21

You refuse to see the obvious.

Your contention is with Jesus, because those were all
HIS WORDS that were cited.

Post by Robert
The timing of all this begins when Jesus was buried. NOT
when he was killed.

Jesus told exactly what was to happen to Him, and that He
would rise again on "the third day".The Bible testifies that
this is exactly what happened.
These are events of the highest significance that have rich
spiritual meaning to those whose hearts are surrendered to
Jesus.
However since Satan hates Jesus, he will work upon the
minds of some who are unstable to focus on some false
technicality in attempt to destroy the rich spiritual
meaning of these awesome events..

According to your understanding, please state exactly what day
you say He was crucified and what day you say He was raised.
The Bible is clear on these things. But tells us what you say, if
you have the courage to do so.

Christ Rose

2024-11-15 15:09:03 UTC

========================================
Thu, 14 Nov 2024 23:57:28 -0800
<vh6ut7$3aali$***@dont-email.me>
Robert <***@no.way> wrote:
========================================
[Andrew wrote]

Post by Andrew
According to the Bible, Jesus was crucified on what we call Friday and He was
resurrected on Sunday, That is easy for anyone to see who carefully reads the
gospels.

...Which is consistent with a Friday burial. This doesn't refute the
Friday crucifixion view. Yes, there was a special Sabbath this year, so
it could have been just before a Wednesday evening (Thursday) Sabbath,
however, that is not required.

Post by Robert
Saturday to you. And the timing of three days and three nights
began with his burial. Therefor there must be, three night events and also
three day events. Count them. You show only two nights.

Paul said Christ was raised "on the third day," not "after the full
completion of the third day":

"that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance
with the Scriptures" (1 Corinthians 15:4, ESV).

Thus, we know the third day was only a partial day. You operate on a
strictly literal, full-day view. Most commentators recognize "inclusive
reckoning", which is that to first century Jews, any part of a day could
be reckoned as a day.

A fully literal 72 hours is possible with a Wednesday crucifixion view,
considering there was a special sabbath that year (John 19:31). However,
a Friday crucifixion is not without Bible support.

Hold your Wednesday crucifixion view. But don't try to invalidate those
who hole to a Friday crucifixion. It's solid.
--
Have you heard the good news Christ died for our sins (†), and God
raised Him from the dead?

That Christ died for our sins shows we're sinners who deserve the death
penalty. That God raised Him from the dead shows Christ's death
satisfied God's righteous demands against our sin (Romans 3:25; 1 John
2:1-2). This means God can now remain just, while forgiving you of your
sins, and saving you from eternal damnation.

On the basis of Christ's death and resurrection for our sins, call on
the name of the Lord to save you: "For 'everyone who calls on the name
of the Lord will be saved.'" (Romans 10:13, ESV)

https://christrose.news/salvation

In the Name of Jesus

2024-11-16 00:26:02 UTC

Post by Christ Rose
========================================
Thu, 14 Nov 2024 23:57:28 -0800
========================================
[Andrew wrote]

Post by Andrew
According to the Bible, Jesus was crucified on what we call Friday and He was
resurrected on Sunday, That is easy for anyone to see who carefully reads the
gospels.

Paul said Christ was raised "on the third day," not "after the full
"that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance
with the Scriptures" (1 Corinthians 15:4, ESV).
Thus, we know the third day was only a partial day. You operate on a
strictly literal, full-day view. Most commentators recognize "inclusive
reckoning", which is that to first century Jews, any part of a day could
be reckoned as a day.
A fully literal 72 hours is possible with a Wednesday crucifixion view,
considering there was a special sabbath that year (John 19:31). However,
a Friday crucifixion is not without Bible support.
Hold your Wednesday crucifixion view. But don't try to invalidate those
who hole to a Friday crucifixion. It's solid.

It...doesn't...matter.

He rose.

Correct doctrine can't save anyone.

That is because He is not a product of sinner christian doctrinal analysis.

In the Name of Jesus
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God is God in all His Being. All the glory is His, for He is all glory.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30 I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything, He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free, and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

"The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence or proof is to be found."

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not so that a book could pass
through it for a sinner to play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: a man full of bluster and bullshit in his
meaninglessness pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

"What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence."

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God; God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

"Atheism: "The claim that life received from itself."

"But remember this: always, absolutely always, all the glory is the
Lord's and His alone, and anyone who takes any credit for anything, you
know, instantly, he is not what he pretends to be and is a false prophet."

"That light had to bear (bears all things) the darkness for us, but that
light did not ever become darkness."

"You must reach beyond the bible that tells you about Him, and into your
daily life to find Him in Person. He's there."

"What is wrong with Christendom? False understanding based on compromise."

"It is not in man to love his enemies. And if he tries, he is walking in
a lie and trying to raise himself up to the level of God."

"God has to be quiet now; we have our bible. Well, then, who is going to
speak?"

"It is all about the Lord in His glory and whether a man loves Him with
all for who He is."

"A son of God became the bible when he was born again because the Holy
Spirit took up residence in his heart as Lord."

Attila

2024-11-17 11:53:12 UTC

Post by In the Name of Jesus

On Sat, 16 Nov 2024 11:26:02 +1100, In the Name of Jesus

Post by Christ Rose
========================================
Thu, 14 Nov 2024 23:57:28 -0800
========================================
[Andrew wrote]

Post by Andrew
According to the Bible, Jesus was crucified on what we call Friday and He was
resurrected on Sunday, That is easy for anyone to see who carefully reads the
gospels.

It...doesn't...matter.
He rose.
Correct doctrine can't save anyone.
That is because He is not a product of sinner christian doctrinal analysis.
In the Name of Jesus

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2024-11-17 13:46:31 UTC

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Post by Attila
On Sat, 16 Nov 2024 11:26:02 +1100, In the Name of Jesus

Post by Christ Rose
========================================
Thu, 14 Nov 2024 23:57:28 -0800
========================================
[Andrew wrote]

Post by Andrew
According to the Bible, Jesus was crucified on what we call Friday and He was
resurrected on Sunday, That is easy for anyone to see who carefully reads the
gospels.

It...doesn't...matter.
He rose.
Correct doctrine can't save anyone.
That is because He is not a product of sinner christian doctrinal analysis.
In the Name of Jesus

This person is an admitted spammer and as such should be
ignored.
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HAMAS
Hezbollah
ISIS
Communist Party
Democratic Party
Antifa
Build a wall.
Deport them all.
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and make those lies sound like
the truth. They start with the biggest
lie of all: Politicians are public
servants.
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Post by The Doctor
Don't forget the EST !

Hi Binky, how's tricks in your mammy's basement?

Andrew

2024-11-16 12:49:27 UTC

Post by Robert
“And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night, and
there was evening and there was morning, the first day.” (Gen 1:5,
Brenton)
Yupper’s! A Full Day starts at evening time and ends at evening time,
as
is understood by the Middle East. Night is still Night, and Day, Day.
Why is this important? Prophetic times in Scripture are based on the
Calendar
timing as created by the Creator. Every year starts on the 1st day of
the
Month in which Passover is celebrated, which is based on the Lunar
Calendar.
Every Day starts in the Evening.
This Timing is also the correct time to utilize and understand for the
time
of the Crucifixion, and the timing of the 3 days and nights that Jesus
spent
in the belly of this earth. Which has nothing to due with “Good
Friday”
nor the religious days celebrated by many churches who just
traditionally
follow the ways of the RCC of old. For instance, “Easter” is not
found
in
the NT in the original Greek NT, is is only found in the Vulgate, Latin
a
later translated to English versions.
The importance of the above info needs to be understood in order to
properly project prophecy fulfillment as given by God to man.

Then according to you, he was killed Friday afternoon, and laid in the
ground before evening,

According to the Bible, Jesus was crucified on what we call Friday and He was
resurrected on Sunday, That is easy for anyone to see who carefully reads the
gospels.

Then show it, where is that found?

I just told you (see above).

Post by Robert
Our time has no bearing on the times and days that they lived in.

This whole event is one of the greatest expressions of God's
love to us, and Satan has caused some to turn it into an issue
of polemics.

Post by Robert
Ask yourself, when we he buried?

Ask yourself, "What does the whole event mean to you personally?"

Post by Robert
And why was the rush to get in into the Ground? IOW to bury him.

Jesus NEVER WAS BURIED "into the ground". He was
'temporarily' laid inside the tomb of Joseph of Arimathaea.
~Matthew 27:59-60

Post by Robert
Our Friday evening was the beginning of their Sabbath day.
Saturday to you. And the timing of three days and three nights
began with his burial.

Saying that, "the timing of three days and three nights began
with his burial" is your *private interpretation*, contrary to
the rest of the Scripture on this topic which has been pointed
out to you. However we have been torld......

"No prophecy of the scripture is
of any private interpretation"
~2 Peter 1:20

If you're trying to make an issue of Mt 12:40, then the only
explanation that fits is that the three days and three nights
began on *Thursday* night when He was arrested.

That's when He was in the control of the powers of the
Earth.

Post by Robert
Therefor there must be, three night events and also
three day events. Count them. You show only two nights.

Not when you count Thursday as the first night.

You are trying to fit everything into your false interpretation of Matthew 12:40.

Really? How?“For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's
belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of
the earth.” (Mat 12:40, KJV)

His suffering for sin began on Thursday when He went through
Gethsemane and was taken captive by the powers of the Earth.

Post by Robert
That shows three or each part of a day. Show us all how your timing fits into
this. As well as the Heart/Center of the earth.

Post by Andrew
All the while ignoring what Jesus repeatedly told His disciples on this very
topic.You have made this false teaching of yours an *idol* in willful violation of
the commandments of the Most High God. And in willful rejection of the words of
Jesus.

They were on the same day (John 18:31).

John 2
19 esus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in
three days I will raise it up.

Which is exactly what happened. On the third day He was raised up.

Yes, but they don't support your out of context interpretation.

Post by Robert
This is not from the doctrine of men, but of God.

Your out of context interpretation is_ not_from God.

Post by Robert
So before you start throwing out accusation after accusations,
you would do well to study the full word of God.

If you actually did that, you would see where your
interpretation was contrary to the words of Jesus.

Post by Robert
So how does that verse support what you are trying to say.?

Jesus did not descend down to the center of the planet. But
He was in the control of the dark forces of this realm from
that time [Thursday night] until He was resurrected on
Sunday morning.

Post by Andrew
These are events of the highest significance that have rich spiritual
meaning to those whose hearts are surrendered to Jesus.

That event has everything to do with Life Eternal, yet what you claim
appears to deny the prophecy that Jesus spoke.

What Jesus said was true, but your narrow interpretation of what He said
was false. You falsely interpret what He said, and ignore the context that
He gave to it in the rest of the Gospels.
Here is some biblical context on the issue. The following texts are
all the words of Jesus, and they all say that He was to be raised on,
"THE THIRD DAY"...which was Sunday morning. (Luke 24:21)
" From that time forth began Jesus to show unto his disciples,
how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things
of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and
be raised again the third day." Matthew 16:21
"Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be
betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they
shall condemn him to death, And shall deliver him to the
Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify him: and
the third day he shall rise again." Matthew 20:18.19
"For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of
man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him;
and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day." Mark 9:31
"He took again the twelve, and began to tell them what things
should happen unto him, Saying, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem;
and the Son of man shall be delivered unto the chief priests, and
unto the scribes; and they shall condemn him to death, and shall
deliver him to the Gentiles:And they shall mock him, and shall
scourge him, and shall spit upon him, and shall kill him: and the
third day he shall rise again."
Mark 10:32-34
"The Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the
elders and chief priests and scribes, and be slain, and be raised
the third day." Luke 9:22 .
"For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked,
and spitefully entreated, and spitted on:And they shall scourge
him and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again."
Luke 18:32
The "third day" was Sunday morning. ~ Luke 24:21

You refuse to see the obvious.

Your contention is with Jesus, because those were all
HIS WORDS that were cited.

Post by Robert
The timing of all this begins when Jesus was buried. NOT
when he was killed.

Jesus told exactly what was to happen to Him, and that He
would rise again on "the third day".The Bible testifies that
this is exactly what happened.
These are events of the highest significance that have rich
spiritual meaning to those whose hearts are surrendered to
Jesus.
However since Satan hates Jesus, he will work upon the
minds of some who are unstable to focus on some false
technicality in attempt to destroy the rich spiritual
meaning of these awesome events..

According to your understanding, please state exactly what day
you say He was crucified and what day you say He was raised.
The Bible is clear on these things. But tells us what you say, if
you have the courage to do so.

Robert has decided not to answer my
above question for obvious reasons.

Robert

2024-11-17 03:12:23 UTC

Post by Robert
“And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night, and
there was evening and there was morning, the first day.” (Gen 1:5,
Brenton)
Yupper’s! A Full Day starts at evening time and ends at evening
time,
as
is understood by the Middle East. Night is still Night, and Day, Day.
Why is this important? Prophetic times in Scripture are based on the
Calendar
timing as created by the Creator. Every year starts on the 1st day of
the
Month in which Passover is celebrated, which is based on the Lunar
Calendar.
Every Day starts in the Evening.
This Timing is also the correct time to utilize and understand for the
time
of the Crucifixion, and the timing of the 3 days and nights that Jesus
spent
in the belly of this earth. Which has nothing to due with “Good
Friday”
nor the religious days celebrated by many churches who just
traditionally
follow the ways of the RCC of old. For instance, “Easter” is not
found
in
the NT in the original Greek NT, is is only found in the Vulgate,
Latin
a
later translated to English versions.
The importance of the above info needs to be understood in order to
properly project prophecy fulfillment as given by God to man.

Then according to you, he was killed Friday afternoon, and laid in the
ground before evening,

According to the Bible, Jesus was crucified on what we call Friday and He
was resurrected on Sunday, That is easy for anyone to see who carefully reads
the gospels.

Then show it, where is that found?

I just told you (see above).

Yes, and it was false, incorrect, and is Untrue.
If truth were important to you, then you would have followed out my clue to
you, so that you could discover truth on your own. But you refused to do so.
Even when you know that the prophecy stated 3 days and 3 nights, not 3days
and 3 nights.

To this day, Religious Jews celebrate the Sabbath starting Friday Evening. To
them that is still “Saturday”. Day 7. Even here in the good ‘ol U.S. of
A.

Post by Robert
Our time has no bearing on the times and days that they lived in.

This whole event is one of the greatest expressions of God's
love to us, and Satan has caused some to turn it into an issue
of polemics.

You were and are the one who turned this whole subject into one of polemics.
Why?
Are you stating that no matter what the word of God says, you are to be
believed over the inspired Word of God?

Jesus lived and died, a Jew. Ordained to do so before this world was created.

Post by Robert
Ask yourself, when we he buried?

Ask yourself, "What does the whole event mean to you personally?"

You never addressed my direct question to you, of when was he buried.

As to your question, the whole event and the truthfulness of it is very much
important, not only for those that actually believed, but to the heathens who
do not, yet see so-called christians spouting off about false days and
timings out of ignorance and or false doctrines. Any historian known that
Jesus was a Jew, and thus under the law of Moses and studied all the old
prophesies could rip people who believe the doctrines you claim to, to
shreds. Thus if you teach a false gospel, and they see your errors, as well
as your lack of Love, would have an excuse not to believe. Would you want to
have their blood on your hands?

Post by Robert
And why was the rush to get in into the Ground? IOW to bury him.

Jesus NEVER WAS BURIED "into the ground". He was
'temporarily' laid inside the tomb of Joseph of Arimathaea.

Post by Robert
Matthew 27:59-60

“And when Joseph had taken the body, he wrapped it in a clean linen cloth,
And laid it in his own new tomb, which he had hewn out in the rock: and he
rolled a great stone to the door of the sepulchre, and departed.” (Mat
27:59-60, KJV)

As you can see here there was no human intention of “temporarily being laid
in the ground.” And rocks are part of the ground one walks on, fully part
of this earth, of which he descended into the 'heart' of the earth.

You did not answer my question, "why the Rush to bury Him"?

Post by Robert
Our Friday evening was the beginning of their Sabbath day.
Saturday to you. And the timing of three days and three nights
began with his burial.

Post by Robert
2 Peter 1:20

Then why do you claim to be the ‘correct one’? Hmmmm?

Especially when I gave you the exact scripture pointing it out, per the Words
of Jesus Which you chose to ignore. “In the Belly of the” started the 3
and 3.

Post by Andrew
If you're trying to make an issue of Mt 12:40, then the only
explanation that fits is that the three days and three nights
began on *Thursday* night when He was arrested.

When he was arrested, he was NOT destroyed. He was not even found guilty.
PLUS, On top of that, you don’t even know what day or night he was
arrested.

Again I will reiterate the fact that you are totally unaware of how many
Sabbath days there were that week and upon what days they fell. And those
days were held in high regards by the Jews of that day, by which the
prophecies were timed,

Post by Andrew
That's when He was in the control of the powers of the
Earth.

Now Like MM you make up your own doctrines?

Post by Robert
Therefor there must be, three night events and also
three day events. Count them. You show only two nights.

Not when you count Thursday as the first night.

You have not proven that day, either by scripture or historically. Yet it
bothers you not in the least.

Post by Robert
since upon Friday evening, our time, their Sabbath began.
That was night 1. Then the next evening was Sunday, their time Meaning
night
2, and Sunday morning He arose Day 2. Which is two nights and two days,
not three as the Lord Jesus prophesied.

You are trying to fit everything into your false interpretation of Matthew 12:40.

Really? How?“For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's
belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart
of the earth.” (Mat 12:40, KJV)

His suffering for sin began on Thursday when He went through
Gethsemane and was taken captive by the powers of the Earth.

What powers of “the Earth”? Especially since he was not destroyed at that
time regardless of what day it was in actuality.

When your face got all dirty as a child, by playing outside, or in the mud,
were you then “gripped by evil”? Can’t you see how ridiculous that
statement is?

Post by Robert
That shows three or each part of a day. Show us all how your timing fits
into this. As well as the Heart/Center of the earth.

Post by Andrew
All the while ignoring what Jesus repeatedly told His disciples on this
very topic.You have made this false teaching of yours an *idol* in willful
violation of
the commandments of the Most High God. And in willful rejection of the
words of Jesus.

They were on the same day (John 18:31).

That statement had not one thing to do with the sabbaths. It had nothing to
do with being destroyed, only the method of his being destroyed, but nothing
to do, even then, with his being placed into the belly of the earth. Even
then, how long does it take for flesh to begin to get corrupted?

Post by Andrew
When you willfully reject the words of Jesus, you are in effect rejecting
Him. You are free to descend down this path that you have chosen. Even as
Lucifer
was free to rebel against God when he was in heaven. But you are also free
to reject Satan and choose life in the awesome power of the name of Jesus.

John 2
19 esus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in
three days I will raise it up.

Which is exactly what happened. On the third day He was raised up.

Yes, but they don't support your out of context interpretation.

Post by Robert
This is not from the doctrine of men, but of God.

Your out of context interpretation is_ not_from God.

Post by Robert
So before you start throwing out accusation after accusations,
you would do well to study the full word of God.

If you actually did that, you would see where your
interpretation was contrary to the words of Jesus.

Post by Robert
So how does that verse support what you are trying to say.?

Jesus did not descend down to the center of the planet. But
He was in the control of the dark forces of this realm from
that time [Thursday night] until He was resurrected on
Sunday morning.

Post by Andrew
These are events of the highest significance that have rich spiritual
meaning to those whose hearts are surrendered to Jesus.

That event has everything to do with Life Eternal, yet what you claim
appears to deny the prophecy that Jesus spoke.

What Jesus said was true, but your narrow interpretation of what He said
was false. You falsely interpret what He said, and ignore the context that
He gave to it in the rest of the Gospels.
Here is some biblical context on the issue. The following texts are
all the words of Jesus, and they all say that He was to be raised on,
"THE THIRD DAY"...which was Sunday morning. (Luke 24:21)
" From that time forth began Jesus to show unto his disciples,
how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things
of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and
be raised again the third day." Matthew 16:21
"Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be
betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they
shall condemn him to death, And shall deliver him to the
Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify him: and
the third day he shall rise again." Matthew 20:18.19
"For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of
man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him;
and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day." Mark 9:31
"He took again the twelve, and began to tell them what things
should happen unto him, Saying, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem;
and the Son of man shall be delivered unto the chief priests, and
unto the scribes; and they shall condemn him to death, and shall
deliver him to the Gentiles:And they shall mock him, and shall
scourge him, and shall spit upon him, and shall kill him: and the
third day he shall rise again."
Mark 10:32-34
"The Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the
elders and chief priests and scribes, and be slain, and be raised
the third day." Luke 9:22 .
"For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked,
and spitefully entreated, and spitted on:And they shall scourge
him and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again."
Luke 18:32
The "third day" was Sunday morning. ~ Luke 24:21

You refuse to see the obvious.

Your contention is with Jesus, because those were all
HIS WORDS that were cited.

Post by Robert
The timing of all this begins when Jesus was buried. NOT
when he was killed.

Jesus told exactly what was to happen to Him, and that He
would rise again on "the third day".The Bible testifies that
this is exactly what happened.
These are events of the highest significance that have rich
spiritual meaning to those whose hearts are surrendered to
Jesus.
However since Satan hates Jesus, he will work upon the
minds of some who are unstable to focus on some false
technicality in attempt to destroy the rich spiritual
meaning of these awesome events..

According to your understanding, please state exactly what day
you say He was crucified and what day you say He was raised.
The Bible is clear on these things. But tells us what you say, if
you have the courage to do so.

Robert has decided not to answer my
above question for obvious reasons.

Another false accusation. Which, BTW, you always do, yet never answer any of
mine as I pointed out to you in this reply, for the purposes of showing
others your behaviors and twisting subjects in order to obfuscate what I
asked you.

This has been your modus operandi for as long as I have known of you. And you
are no different in actions than that of the Tesla personage who posts as the
true RC. What shade of Catholicism are you?

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<<<>>>

Post by Andrew
According to your understanding, please state exactly what day
you say He was crucified and what day you say He was raised.
The Bible is clear on these things. But tells us what you say, if
you have the courage to do so.

Robert has decided not to answer my
above question for obvious reasons.

Robert, please answer the following questions.

1. Please state exactly what day you say that Jesus was
crucified, and what day you say was the resurrection.

Another one if you will.

2. Please state what Jesus means to you personally.

Robert

2024-11-17 23:37:09 UTC

Post by Andrew
<<<>>>

Robert has decided not to answer my
above question for obvious reasons.

Robert, please answer the following questions.

Ok, but first ups must stipulate what definition of ‘Day” you want to
use. Day as the meaning of God, or Day as the current meaning of Man. You
must also state whether or not you know the difference between them. Since
the meaning of men in the Middle East at that time was different than what
the RCC declares, and well as many governments.

Also I would like to know why it is that you cannot listen to or understand
what others bring to your attention, even if you do not agree with them, you
could at the least understand what and why they say what they do in order to
have an intelligent conversation instead of a contentious debate. Which is
very disrespectful of others.

Post by Andrew
1. Please state exactly what day you say that Jesus was
crucified, and what day you say was the resurrection.
Another one if you will.
2. Please state what Jesus means to you personally.

He is the creator of this world and the universe surrounding it, as well as
the creator of all life forms that lives in this world. He is the Way, the
Truth and Life, and no man can come to the Heavenly Father but through Him.
As Saviour, he is that not only for Spiritual life everlasting, but also for
deliverance from all things evil. Part of which is physical healings, a
direct relationship with God the Father and throne room access to Him now and
ever after, if we walk by Faith Believing. Also a whole host of additional
things that go part and parcel to those who are His Disciples.

Lastly, when are you going to answer questions put to you, such as how many
Sabbaths were there the week that Jesus was sacrificed. Or the numerous other
questions put to you.

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Post by Andrew
<<<>>>

Robert has decided not to answer my
above question for obvious reasons.

Robert, please answer the following questions.

Ok, but first ups must stipulate what definition of ‘Day” you want to
use. Day as the meaning of God, or Day as the current meaning of Man. You
must also state whether or not you know the difference between them. Since
the meaning of men in the Middle East at that time was different than what
the RCC declares, and well as many governments.
Also I would like to know why it is that you cannot listen to or understand
what others bring to your attention, even if you do not agree with them, you
could at the least understand what and why they say what they do in order to
have an intelligent conversation instead of a contentious debate. Which is
very disrespectful of others.

Post by Andrew
1. Please state exactly what day you say that Jesus was
crucified, and what day you say was the resurrection.

A very simple question, but Robert..refused to answer it.

This is what the Bible says.

According to the Bible, Jesus was crucified on Friday, the
day of Preparation before the Sabbath. This is detailed in
the following Gospels.

Matthew 27:62, Mark 15:42, Luke 23:54, John 19:31.

The day after His crucifixion was the Sabbath, and Jesus'
body was laid in the tomb before the Sabbath began at
sundown.

According to the Bible, Jesus was resurrected on the first
day of the week, which is Sunday. The Gospel accounts
state that the women found the empty tomb early on the
morning on the first day of the week, after the Sabbath.

Matthew 28:1, Mark 16:2, Luke 24:1, and John 20:1

Jesus repedly said He would rise on the "third day".

The Bible says that Sunday was the "third day" Luke 24:21.

But Robert clings to a false theology contrary to
the Bible, which helps explain why he refuses to
answer the question.
_______________________________________

Post by Andrew
Another one if you will.
2. Please state what Jesus means to you personally.

_________________________________________

Another simple question that Robert does not answer. The question
was not who Jesus is, but, "What does He mean to you personally?"

The Devil knows full well who Jesus is (James 2:19). But does not
know Jesus personally. There is an intimate relationship between
Jesus and the born again Christian.

Post by Robert
Lastly, when are you going to answer questions put to you, such as how many
Sabbaths were there the week that Jesus was sacrificed. Or the numerous other
questions put to you.

According to the Bible, Jesus was crucified on the day of Preparation
for the Passover, which means it was the day before the start of the
Feast of Unleavened Bread. This puts the crucifixion on Friday, the
14th day of Nisan. The Passover meal would have been celebrated the
evening before, which is why Jesus and His disciples shared the Last
Supper on Thursday evening.

Robert

2024-11-19 02:53:17 UTC

Post by Andrew
<<<>>>

Robert has decided not to answer my
above question for obvious reasons.

Robert, please answer the following questions.

Ok, but first ups must stipulate what definition of â€˜Dayâ€ you want to
use. Day as the meaning of God, or Day as the current meaning of Man. You
must also state whether or not you know the difference between them. Since
the meaning of men in the Middle East at that time was different than what
the RCC declares, and well as many governments.
Also I would like to know why it is that you cannot listen to or understand
what others bring to your attention, even if you do not agree with them, you
could at the least understand what and why they say what they do in order to
have an intelligent conversation instead of a contentious debate. Which is
very disrespectful of others.

Post by Andrew
1. Please state exactly what day you say that Jesus was
crucified, and what day you say was the resurrection.

A very simple question, but Robert..refused to answer it.

That is a flat out lie.
I asked you to define the days read what I said about that above. Reason
being that all throughout your your replies in this thread you have spoken of
days in the Days as defined by heathens, and denied that Days should be as
ordained by the Lord, and also refused to accept says as defined in the
Middle East as defined by both Jews and Muslims.

I also brought up the fact that there were two Sabbath days that week, and
you totally ignored that as well as refused to find out for yourself what the
truth was when I first brought it to your attention as a ‘hint’ right off
the bat.

Post by Andrew
This is what the Bible says.
According to the Bible, Jesus was crucified on Friday, the
day of Preparation before the Sabbath. This is detailed in
the following Gospels.

It does not say anything about Friday, nor does it say anything about
Saturday.

Post by Andrew
Matthew 27:62, Mark 15:42, Luke 23:54, John 19:31.

“Now the next day, that followed the day of the preparation, the chief
priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate,” (Mat 27:62, KJV)

“And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is,
the day before the sabbath,” (Mrk 15:42, KJV)

“The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should
not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an
high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they
might be taken away.” (Jhn 19:31, KJV)

Now....there are the scriptures for all to see, there is no mention of a
numerical day nor a gentile named day.

So enough of your games, here is the truth of the matter.

[sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day)] This was Tuesday sunset
to Wednesday sunset. The next day was a "high day" (Jhn 19:31), a special
sabbath of the feast, not the ordinary weekly sabbath, which was two days
later (Lev 23:6-11). See note, Mat 12:40. Bodies were not to hang all night
(Deu 21:22-23).

Leviticus 23:6

[on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread]

Seven Commands—the Feast of Unleavened Bread

1.Keep the feast of unleavened bread for seven days (from the fifteenth to
the twenty-first of the first month—March-April, Lev 23:6).

2.Eat only unleavened bread during the seven days of this feast.

3.In the first day you shall have a holy convocation (Lev 23:7).

4.Do no servile work on the first day.

5.Make offerings by fire to Jehovah on each of the seven days (Lev 23:8).

6.The seventh day shall also be a holy convocation.

7.Do no servile work on the seventh day.

Furthermore, again you snipped out portions of my previous reply to you. And
after I posted that to you I saw where you replied to someone else and called
me an unsaved heathen.

You also did not answer any of my questions put to you in that reply. Yet you
make a big hypocritical complaint which was also a flat out lie. Yet you
expect others to assume you are a “christian”.

“Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to
escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son
of man.” (Luk 21:36, KJV)

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Post by Andrew
<<<>>>

Robert has decided not to answer my
above question for obvious reasons.

Robert, please answer the following questions.

Post by Andrew
1. Please state exactly what day you say that Jesus was
crucified, and what day you say was the resurrection.

A very simple question, but Robert..refused to answer it.

That is a flat out lie.
I asked you to define the days read what I said about that above. Reason
being that all throughout your your replies in this thread you have spoken of
days in the Days as defined by heathens, and denied that Days should be as
ordained by the Lord, and also refused to accept says as defined in the
Middle East as defined by both Jews and Muslims.
I also brought up the fact that there were two Sabbath days that week, and
you totally ignored that as well as refused to find out for yourself what the
truth was when I first brought it to your attention as a ‘hint’ right off
the bat.

Post by Andrew
This is what the Bible says.
According to the Bible, Jesus was crucified on Friday, the
day of Preparation before the Sabbath. This is detailed in
the following Gospels.

It does not say anything about Friday, nor does it say anything about
Saturday.

Post by Andrew
Matthew 27:62, Mark 15:42, Luke 23:54, John 19:31.

“Now the next day, that followed the day of the preparation, the chief
priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate,” (Mat 27:62, KJV)
“And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is,
the day before the sabbath,” (Mrk 15:42, KJV)
“The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should
not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an
high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they
might be taken away.” (Jhn 19:31, KJV)
Now....there are the scriptures for all to see, there is no mention of a
numerical day nor a gentile named day.
So enough of your games, here is the truth of the matter.
[sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day)] This was Tuesday sunset
to Wednesday sunset. The next day was a "high day" (Jhn 19:31), a special
sabbath of the feast, not the ordinary weekly sabbath, which was two days
later (Lev 23:6-11). See note, Mat 12:40. Bodies were not to hang all night
(Deu 21:22-23).
Leviticus 23:6
[on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread]
Seven Commands—the Feast of Unleavened Bread
1.Keep the feast of unleavened bread for seven days (from the fifteenth to
the twenty-first of the first month—March-April, Lev 23:6).
2.Eat only unleavened bread during the seven days of this feast.
3.In the first day you shall have a holy convocation (Lev 23:7).
4.Do no servile work on the first day.
5.Make offerings by fire to Jehovah on each of the seven days (Lev 23:8).
6.The seventh day shall also be a holy convocation.
7.Do no servile work on the seventh day.
Furthermore, again you snipped out portions of my previous reply to you. And
after I posted that to you I saw where you replied to someone else and called
me an unsaved heathen.
You also did not answer any of my questions put to you in that reply. Yet you
make a big hypocritical complaint which was also a flat out lie. Yet you
expect others to assume you are a “christian”.
“Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to
escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son
of man.” (Luk 21:36, KJV)

My apologies, you did in fact post the whole reply and also replied to it. I
didn’t see it. Evidently this app made a boo boo, which I have seen before
and deleted everything after I pasted a verse in, I double checked after I
sent the reply up and say the rest of you post, I will be replying to that
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On Nov 18, 2024, Andrew wrote
(Message-ID: <COQ_O.83420$***@fx16.ams4>):

This is the portion I did not see that I am now replying to. Sadly it is
written with the same attitudes and assumptions that preceded it.

YES, He did. He did so based on the Biblical definitions of Days.

Post by Andrew
Jesus repedly said He would rise on the "third day".
The Bible says that Sunday was the "third day" Luke 24:21.

Again, it did not say that it was Sunday.

“But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and
beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.”
(Luk 24:21, KJV)

Post by Andrew
But Robert clings to a false theology contrary to
the Bible, which helps explain why he refuses to
answer the question.

Sorry, I do not ascribe to, nor hold dear to the theology of men. I am not
into theology, but I am into a personal relationship with the Godhead.

Post by Andrew
_______________________________________

Post by Andrew
Another one if you will.
2. Please state what Jesus means to you personally.

_________________________________________
Another simple question that Robert does not answer. The question
was not who Jesus is, but, "What does He mean to you personally?"
The Devil knows full well who Jesus is (James 2:19). But does not
know Jesus personally. There is an intimate relationship between
Jesus and the born again Christian.

I am and have stated already, that I am a Born Again, Spirit filled believer
to you many times.

You do not exhibit the walk that follows the talk. Like MM and others, if a
person does not believe and follow your particular creed, dogma and false
Gospel you considerer them bad and you good.

As to your reference to “Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest
well: the devils also believe, and tremble.” (Jas 2:19, KJV)

That has no bearing on what I stated. What I stated is what he means to me,
personally, as well as experientially. You BTW are in no position to sit in
judgment of whether or not I am Saved.

Post by Robert
Lastly, when are you going to answer questions put to you, such as how many
Sabbaths were there the week that Jesus was sacrificed. Or the numerous
other questions put to you.

Wrong. Especially since you know not the definition of days in that day and
according to God and the Jews who followed His Word.

“Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to
escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son
of man.” (Luk 21:36, KJV)

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2024-11-19 04:23:03 UTC

Post by Robert
This is the portion I did not see that I am now replying to. Sadly it is
written with the same attitudes and assumptions that preceded it.
YES, He did. He did so based on the Biblical definitions of Days.

Post by Andrew
Jesus repedly said He would rise on the "third day".
The Bible says that Sunday was the "third day" Luke 24:21.

Again, it did not say that it was Sunday.
“But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and
beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.”
(Luk 24:21, KJV)

Post by Andrew
But Robert clings to a false theology contrary to
the Bible, which helps explain why he refuses to
answer the question.

Sorry, I do not ascribe to, nor hold dear to the theology of men. I am not
into theology,

Hahahahahahahahahaha...that would be the biggest joke of the decade!

Without his bible theology he's like a cow on the moon!

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not so that a book could pass
through it for a sinner to play God."

Post by Robert
but I am into a personal relationship with the Godhead.

Maybe the truth of God rubbed off on him after all? Though, he would
claim it is his own works.

In the Name of Jesus

Post by Andrew
_______________________________________

Post by Andrew
Another one if you will.
2. Please state what Jesus means to you personally.

_________________________________________
Another simple question that Robert does not answer. The question
was not who Jesus is, but, "What does He mean to you personally?"
The Devil knows full well who Jesus is (James 2:19). But does not
know Jesus personally. There is an intimate relationship between
Jesus and the born again Christian.

I am and have stated already, that I am a Born Again, Spirit filled believer
to you many times.
You do not exhibit the walk that follows the talk. Like MM and others, if a
person does not believe and follow your particular creed, dogma and false
Gospel you considerer them bad and you good.
As to your reference to “Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest
well: the devils also believe, and tremble.” (Jas 2:19, KJV)
That has no bearing on what I stated. What I stated is what he means to me,
personally, as well as experientially. You BTW are in no position to sit in
judgment of whether or not I am Saved.

Post by Robert
Lastly, when are you going to answer questions put to you, such as how many
Sabbaths were there the week that Jesus was sacrificed. Or the numerous
other questions put to you.

Wrong. Especially since you know not the definition of days in that day and
according to God and the Jews who followed His Word.
“Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to
escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son
of man.” (Luk 21:36, KJV)

--
God is God in all His Being. All the glory is His, for He is all glory.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30 I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything, He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free, and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

"The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence or proof is to be found."

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not so that a book could pass
through it for a sinner to play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: a man full of bluster and bullshit in his
meaninglessness pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

"What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence."

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God; God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

"Atheism: "The claim that life received from itself."

"But remember this: always, absolutely always, all the glory is the
Lord's and His alone, and anyone who takes any credit for anything, you
know, instantly, he is not what he pretends to be and is a false prophet."

"That light had to bear (bears all things) the darkness for us, but that
light did not ever become darkness."

"You must reach beyond the bible that tells you about Him, and into your
daily life to find Him in Person. He's there."

"What is wrong with Christendom? False understanding based on compromise."

"It is not in man to love his enemies. And if he tries, he is walking in
a lie and trying to raise himself up to the level of God."

"God has to be quiet now; we have our bible. Well, then, who is going to
speak?"

"It is all about the Lord in His glory and whether a man loves Him with
all for who He is."

"A son of God became the bible when he was born again because the Holy
Spirit took up residence in his heart as Lord."

Christ Rose

2024-11-19 14:15:54 UTC

Post by Andrew
Jesus repedly said He would rise on the "third day".
The Bible says that Sunday was the "third day" Luke 24:21.

Again, it did not say that it was Sunday.

Look at this. This is what I'm talking about. These are Robert's word
games. He slaps quote marks on some English word like "Sunday", and
concludes that since the Bible doesn't say "Sunday", then it's not
Sunday. That's it. Your view is now disqualified, because it doesn't say
"Sunday". Well it also doesn't say "Wednesday" was the day Christ was
crucified. They didn't use our words for days. They used what day of the
week it was. Sunday was the first day of the week. It started around 6pm
on what we call Saturday evening.

“Now when He rose early on the first day of the week, He appeared first
to Mary Magdalene, out of whom He had cast seven demons.” (Mark 16:9, NKJV)

See that? It plainly states Jesus rose ON the "first day of the week".
That's Sunday. Yet Sunday was on the "third day" (Luke 24:21). It was
not at 5:59pm on Sunday evening that Christ rose. He rose "early" in the
morning on Sunday. That means the third "day" was only the slim part of
a day during "early" morning, not a full 24 hour period.

Post by Robert
“But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and
beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.”
(Luk 24:21, KJV)

Which means Sunday (first day of the week) was the "third day" on which
Christ rose.

Post by Andrew
But Robert clings to a false theology contrary to
the Bible, which helps explain why he refuses to
answer the question.

Sorry, I do not ascribe to, nor hold dear to the theology of men.

The Bible itself declares Christ rose on the "first day of the week"
(Mark 16:9). This is Sunday. That's not the "theology of men". That's
what the Bible plainly states.

Post by Robert
I am not
into theology,

Theology means the study of God. Anthropology is the study of men.
You're saying you're not into the study of God. That's evident.
Meanwhile, the question is whether the teaching comes from the Bible.
The Bible says Christ rose "on" the "first day of the week", which was
Sunday. That shows both that Sunday was the day Christ rose, as well as
that a slim part of a day was reckoned as a "day". It doesn't have to
include the whole 24 hour period to be called a "day" or "night".

Post by Robert
but I am into a personal relationship with the Godhead.

Those who worship God must worship Him in Spirit and "truth" (John
4:24). God's word is truth (John 17:17). You cannot worship God apart
from a study of what God says about Himself in Scripture. The study of
God in Scripture is theology. Your word games just make you look like an
idiot.

Post by Andrew
Another one if you will.
2. Please state what Jesus means to you personally.

_________________________________________
Another simple question that Robert does not answer. The question
was not who Jesus is, but, "What does He mean to you personally?"
The Devil knows full well who Jesus is (James 2:19). But does not
know Jesus personally. There is an intimate relationship between
Jesus and the born again Christian.

I am and have stated already, that I am a Born Again, Spirit filled believer
to you many times.
You do not exhibit the walk that follows the talk.

This shows you recognize your mere statements about what you are,
doesn't automatically prove your claims. Your talk does not become
credible with men until they see the walk.

Post by Robert
Like MM and others, if a
person does not believe and follow your particular creed, dogma

• You mean like agreeing with you that the crucifixion must have
happened on Wednesday rather than Friday? That's you, hypocrite. You do
things like this constantly over a span of decades.

• You spent a year playing devil's advocate for MM's Gnostic heresy,
claiming to the effect a real believer doesn't even have a sin nature,
because it's "gone"¹. When I showed how the believer is repeatedly
called on to yield to the new nature rather than the old, you tried to
poison people's minds against the idea that a believer even has a sin
nature at all. John 1:8-9 shows that those who deny having a sin nature
have neither the truth nor the word of God in them, but make God out to
be a liar.

Post by Robert
and false Gospel you considerer them bad and you good.

• The one and only true gospel is that Christ died for our sins and God
raised Him from the dead (1 Corinthians 15:1-4). Men are justified by
faith in Christ, apart from their works (Galatians 1:8-9), but unto good
works (James 2). Good works are the evidence of saving faith, not a
condition men must meet to become right with God in the first place.
That _IS_ the only true and saving gospel. It is the one Andrew and I
proclaim, and which you seldom if ever even mention to people. The fact
you label that true and only gospel a "false" gospel, and try to poison
people's minds against those who are accurately proclaiming it,
thoroughly convinces me you operate on the basis of the bitter envy that
demonic-wisdom promotes in people (https://christrose.news/demonic-wisdom).

• Says the guy who tried to demonize the word "imitate" after I used it
in an article on Ephesians 5, but who then turned around and posted his
own article which uses the same word "imitate" for Ephesians 5, as if it
were a superior way to describe the passage. When I posted "imitate"
before you did, you objected the word is only in certain translations,
and tried to associate it with an evil definition that means
unregenerate, Gandhi-style imitation. Then later that day, you posted
what you purported was a superior understanding, citing a reference to
someone who used the same exact word "imitate"! See what an hypocrite
you are? When I posted it it was evil. When you turned around and posted
the same thing, it suddenly became a good and superior way to describe
the passage. You're such a self-evident idiot and hypocrite.

• You did that all on one day. And you do this all day long, every day.
You spent a year demonizing me every time I pointed out the believer has
both an old and new nature, claiming the old nature is "gone"¹, as if
believers don't even have an old nature that wages war against their new
nature. Then today you post an article where Wuest shows the believer
must not yield to his old nature, but to the Spirit. You don't even have
the sense to see your own self-evident stupidity and hypocrisy. And this
isn't a one-off. This is your standard mode of operation over a span of
decades.

Post by Robert
As to your reference to “Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest
well: the devils also believe, and tremble.” (Jas 2:19, KJV)
That has no bearing on what I stated. What I stated is what he means to me,
personally, as well as experientially. You BTW are in no position to sit in
judgment of whether or not I am Saved.

He says after falsely claiming that the true gospel we preach is
"false". I don't see how you avoid consequences with God for that.
You've dedicated your life to attacking people who accurately proclaim
the one and only saving gospel, and trying to poison people's minds
against them and the true gospel they proclaim.

Post by Robert
Lastly, when are you going to answer questions put to you, such as how many
Sabbaths were there the week that Jesus was sacrificed. Or the numerous
other questions put to you.

Yes, there was a special Sabbath that year, so there may well have been
two Sabbaths on the week Christ was crucified. It may have been on
Wednesday evening (Thursday by Jewish reckoning). This does not
invalidate the fact that the Friday, Saturday, Sunday view is also
completely legit. You are the one trying to disqualify people based on
your doctrine, rather than acknowledging the possibility of other views.

Post by Andrew
According to the Bible, Jesus was crucified on the day of Preparation
for the Passover, which means it was the day before the start of the
Feast of Unleavened Bread. This puts the crucifixion on Friday, the
14th day of Nisan. The Passover meal would have been celebrated the
evening before, which is why Jesus and His disciples shared the Last
Supper on Thursday evening.

Wrong. Especially since you know not the definition of days in that day and
according to God and the Jews who followed His Word.

Says the village idiot trying to convince himself that it's everyone but
he who lacks understanding.

========================================
On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 22:45:44 -0700
<vc5sa8$20nuk$***@dont-email.me>
http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=172650560200
Stupefaction Robert <***@no.way> wrote:
========================================
People that are already Born Again
Believers do not require faith to believe IN Jesus
Christ...
========================================

To "clarify", Robert added:
========================================
On Mon, 23 Sep 2024 10:56:20 -0700
<vcsa44$2q5q9$***@dont-email.me>
http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=172719006300
Stupefaction Robert <***@no.waywrote:
========================================
As I said, many times and in a variety
of ways, all of which is based on scripture.
They already have faith. And you are to
smart to understand that.
========================================

Believe: to "have faith" from "pistis":
"faith" (Strong).

Stupefaction Robert: Believers don't
require the faith they "already have" in
Christ, to believe IN Christ...

And note, he says I'm "to [too] smart to
understand that"!

So I would have to be dumber to
understand and confuse his claims with
the truth?

This is the guy telling everyone else
they lack understanding and
comprehension, every time they fail to
agree with his nonsense and idiocy.

Post by Robert
“Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to
escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son
of man.” (Luk 21:36, KJV)

Go ahead and expose what it is you know about that, and what you're
claiming it means.

_______________________
1.
========================================
Fri, 31 May 2024 12:01:20 -0700,
<***@news.eternal-september.org>
Robert <***@no.way> wrote:
========================================
The old sin-nature is GONE -- For the believer
========================================
--
Have you heard the good news Christ died for our sins (†), and God
raised Him from the dead?

That Christ died for our sins shows we're sinners who deserve the death
penalty. That God raised Him from the dead shows Christ's death
satisfied God's righteous demands against our sin (Romans 3:25; 1 John
2:1-2). This means God can now remain just, while forgiving you of your
sins, and saving you from eternal damnation.

On the basis of Christ's death and resurrection for our sins, call on
the name of the Lord to save you: "For 'everyone who calls on the name
of the Lord will be saved.'" (Romans 10:13, ESV)

https://christrose.news/salvation

Andrew

2024-11-19 17:14:20 UTC

Post by Andrew
Jesus repedly said He would rise on the "third day".
The Bible says that Sunday was the "third day" Luke 24:21.

Again, it did not say that it was Sunday.

The Bible says it was the "first day of the week", which was Sunday.

Post by Robert
“But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and
beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.”
(Luk 24:21, KJV)

Post by Andrew
But Robert clings to a false theology contrary to
the Bible, which helps explain why he refuses to
answer the question.

Sorry, I do not ascribe to, nor hold dear to the theology of men. I am not
into theology, but I am into a personal relationship with the Godhead.

Post by Andrew
_______________________________________

Post by Andrew
Another one if you will.
2. Please state what Jesus means to you personally.

He is the creator of this world and the universe surrounding it, as well as
the creator of all life forms that lives in this world. He is the Way, the
Truth and Life, and no man can come to the Heavenly Father but through Him.
As Saviour, he is that not only for Spiritual life everlasting, but also for
deliverance from all things evil. Part of which is physical healings, a
direct relationship with God the Father and throne room access to Him now
and ever after, if we walk by Faith Believing. Also a whole host of additional
things that go part and parcel to those who are His Disciples.

_________________________________________
Another simple question that Robert does not answer. The question
was not who Jesus is, but, "What does He mean to you personally?"
The Devil knows full well who Jesus is (James 2:19). But does not
know Jesus personally. There is an intimate relationship between
Jesus and the born again Christian.

I am and have stated already, that I am a Born Again, Spirit filled
believer to you many times.

The question to you was, "What does Jesus mean to you personally?"
If you loved Him, you would be happy to answer what He means to
you personally.

Do you love Him? Do you worship Him?

If this question makes you angry, then it is
evidence that you are possessed by Satan,
the enemy of Jesus.

Robert

2024-11-19 18:11:32 UTC

Post by Andrew
Jesus repedly said He would rise on the "third day".
The Bible says that Sunday was the "third day" Luke 24:21.

Again, it did not say that it was Sunday.

The Bible says it was the "first day of the week", which was Sunday.

Sunday in our current terminology, Day One in theirs which was the third day,
and preceding that was night three, which is Sunday Night in our terminology
since according to God’s scriptures and according to the Jew night precedes
the day.

And the scriptures you quoted did not declare what day of the week any
portion of the week. You injected your definitions which did not and do not
match any prophecy of the 3 days and 3 nights as prescribed in any portion of
the Bible. And in relationship to the prophecy as it happened in that day,
you also do not accept the scripture that specifically pronounces that the
God of Jesus in His Heavenly Father.

“Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my
Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father,
and your Father; and to my God, and your God.” (Jhn 20:17, KJV)

Which also states that he was going to see him at that time and hour and it
was not the final ascension where he was seated at the right hand of His
Father, until it was and is the time for his return to rule here on earth for
1000 years.

Post by Robert
“But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and
beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.”
(Luk 24:21, KJV)

Post by Andrew
But Robert clings to a false theology contrary to
the Bible, which helps explain why he refuses to
answer the question.

Sorry, I do not ascribe to, nor hold dear to the theology of men. I am not
into theology, but I am into a personal relationship with the Godhead.

Post by Andrew
_______________________________________

Post by Andrew
Another one if you will.
2. Please state what Jesus means to you personally.

He is the creator of this world and the universe surrounding it, as well as
the creator of all life forms that lives in this world. He is the Way, the
Truth and Life, and no man can come to the Heavenly Father but through Him.
As Saviour, he is that not only for Spiritual life everlasting, but also for
deliverance from all things evil. Part of which is physical healings, a
direct relationship with God the Father and throne room access to Him now
and ever after, if we walk by Faith Believing. Also a whole host of additional
things that go part and parcel to those who are His Disciples.

_________________________________________
Another simple question that Robert does not answer. The question
was not who Jesus is, but, "What does He mean to you personally?"
The Devil knows full well who Jesus is (James 2:19). But does not
know Jesus personally. There is an intimate relationship between
Jesus and the born again Christian.

I am and have stated already, that I am a Born Again, Spirit filled
believer to you many times.

The question to you was, "What does Jesus mean to you personally?"
If you loved Him, you would be happy to answer what He means to
you personally.
Do you love Him? Do you worship Him?
If this question makes you angry, then it is
evidence that you are possessed by Satan,
the enemy of Jesus.

It does not make me angry.

“But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of
man's judgment: yea, I judge not mine own self. For I know nothing by myself;
yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord.” (1Co
4:3-4, KJV)

Matt 7:1-5

--
All messages with alt.atheism in the headers are now filterd out beginning
10/19.So posting to aa will in effect filter all your messages from being
read by me. Thus you are KF'ing yourself. VBG

Andrew

2024-11-20 12:41:31 UTC

<<>>

Post by Andrew
Another simple question that Robert does not answer. The question
was not who Jesus is, but, "What does He mean to you personally?"
The Devil knows full well who Jesus is (James 2:19). But does not
know Jesus personally. There is an intimate relationship between
Jesus and the born again Christian.

I am and have stated already, that I am a Born Again, Spirit filled
believer to you many times.

The question to you was, "What does Jesus mean to you personally?"
If you loved Him, you would be happy to answer what He means to
you personally.
Do you love Him? Do you worship Him?
If this question makes you angry, then it is
evidence that you are possessed by Satan,
the enemy of Jesus.

It does not make me angry.

________________________________________

Robert, do you *love* Jesus?

Jesus said that ~ this is the greatest commandment.

"You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart,
and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is
the great and first commandment." ~ Mt 22:37-38

Next question: Do you worship Jesus?

God has commanded us to worship Him. (Hebrews 1:6)

Robert

2024-11-20 20:58:51 UTC

Post by Andrew
<<>>

I am and have stated already, that I am a Born Again, Spirit filled
believer to you many times.

The question to you was, "What does Jesus mean to you personally?"
If you loved Him, you would be happy to answer what He means to
you personally.
Do you love Him? Do you worship Him?
If this question makes you angry, then it is
evidence that you are possessed by Satan,
the enemy of Jesus.

It does not make me angry.

________________________________________
Robert, do you *love* Jesus?
Jesus said that ~ this is the greatest commandment.
"You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart,
and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is
the great and first commandment." ~ Mt 22:37-38
Next question: Do you worship Jesus?
God has commanded us to worship Him. (Hebrews 1:6)

Jas 4:10 (KJV) Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift
you up.

Jas 4:11 (KJV) Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil
of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and
judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law,
but a judge.

Jas 4:12 (KJV) There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who
art thou that judgest another?

James 4:11

[Speak] Greek: katalaleo (G2635), to speak against; backbite; rail at;
slander (Jas 4:11; 1Pe 2:12; 1Pe 3:16). This refers to slandering among the
different factions of Jews and the Jews against their brethren who had
accepted Christ.

Mat 7:2 (KJV) For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with
what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

Mat 7:3 (KJV) And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye,
but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

Mat 7:4 (KJV) Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote
out of thine eye; and, behold, a beamisin thine own eye?

Mat 7:5 (KJV) Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye;
and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's
eye.

Why do I quote these things? Take these and combine the understanding of them
with the ones that you snipped out of my previous reply to you, and ponder
them. Then ponder them in relationship to what you have openly and clearly
stated about my State of Being.

Where you said this.

Post by Andrew
Nevertheless the *Door of Salvation* is still
open. Jesus has power to save...even Robert.
His transformation would be a miracle.

You also have said that I am of Satan, etc. recently.
So f I stand here rejudged by you, in your one words, and yet ask me
questions that oppose what you think of me as if you had not already arrived
at what you consider the final outcome to be, Then take a good look at the
scriptures presented here and my reply just prior in this thread. Then ask
yourself, are you a follower and worshipper of Jesus Christ, walking the walk
in the paths of righteousness.

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2024-11-20 21:27:07 UTC

Post by Andrew
<<>>

I am and have stated already, that I am a Born Again, Spirit filled
believer to you many times.

The question to you was, "What does Jesus mean to you personally?"
If you loved Him, you would be happy to answer what He means to
you personally.
Do you love Him? Do you worship Him?
If this question makes you angry, then it is
evidence that you are possessed by Satan,
the enemy of Jesus.

It does not make me angry.

________________________________________
Robert, do you *love* Jesus?

The reason Robert doesn't simply say, "Yes," is because he doesn't.

Post by Andrew
Jesus said that ~ this is the greatest commandment.
"You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart,
and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is
the great and first commandment." ~ Mt 22:37-38
Next question: Do you worship Jesus?
God has commanded us to worship Him. (Hebrews 1:6)

If he doesn't love Him then worship is not on the radar.

In the Name of Jesus

Post by Robert
Jas 4:10 (KJV) Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift
you up.
Jas 4:11 (KJV) Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil
of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and
judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law,
but a judge.
Jas 4:12 (KJV) There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who
art thou that judgest another?
James 4:11
[Speak] Greek: katalaleo (G2635), to speak against; backbite; rail at;
slander (Jas 4:11; 1Pe 2:12; 1Pe 3:16). This refers to slandering among the
different factions of Jews and the Jews against their brethren who had
accepted Christ.
Mat 7:2 (KJV) For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with
what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
Mat 7:3 (KJV) And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye,
but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
Mat 7:4 (KJV) Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote
out of thine eye; and, behold, a beamisin thine own eye?
Mat 7:5 (KJV) Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye;
and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's
eye.
Why do I quote these things? Take these and combine the understanding of them
with the ones that you snipped out of my previous reply to you, and ponder
them. Then ponder them in relationship to what you have openly and clearly
stated about my State of Being.
Where you said this.

Post by Andrew
Nevertheless the *Door of Salvation* is still
open. Jesus has power to save...even Robert.
His transformation would be a miracle.

Andrew

2024-11-22 17:54:17 UTC

<<>>

I am and have stated already, that I am a Born Again, Spirit filled
believer to you many times.

The question to you was, "What does Jesus mean to you personally?"
If you loved Him, you would be happy to answer what He means to
you personally.
Do you love Him? Do you worship Him?
If this question makes you angry, then it is
evidence that you are possessed by Satan,
the enemy of Jesus.

It does not make me angry.

________________________________________
Robert, do you *love* Jesus?
Jesus said that ~ this is the greatest commandment.
"You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart,
and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is
the great and first commandment." ~ Mt 22:37-38
Next question: Do you worship Jesus?
God has commanded us to worship Him. (Hebrews 1:6)

If one refuses to worship Jesus, they would have no
part in His eternal Kingdom of Glory. And it would
be an indication that Satan was on the throne of their
heart.

Robert declines to answer affirmatively the question
here ,"Does he worship Jesus?".

Satan hates Jesus, and the thought of worshipping
Jesus would be anathema to him.

The other question that Robert declines to answer
is, "Do you *love* Jesus?"

"You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart,
and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is
the great and first commandment." ~ Mt 22:37-38

Perhaps our friend Robert will repent of his rebellion
against the above commandment of God, and fully
accept Jesus as Savior, Lord, God and King.

If so, that would indeed be a miracle.

And glory to God.

Amen.

Robert

2024-11-22 21:51:56 UTC

<<>>

I am and have stated already, that I am a Born Again, Spirit filled
believer to you many times.

The question to you was, "What does Jesus mean to you personally?"
If you loved Him, you would be happy to answer what He means to
you personally.
Do you love Him? Do you worship Him?
If this question makes you angry, then it is
evidence that you are possessed by Satan,
the enemy of Jesus.

It does not make me angry.

________________________________________
Robert, do you *love* Jesus?
Jesus said that ~ this is the greatest commandment.
"You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart,
and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is
the great and first commandment." ~ Mt 22:37-38
Next question: Do you worship Jesus?
God has commanded us to worship Him. (Hebrews 1:6)

If one refuses to worship Jesus, they would have no
part in His eternal Kingdom of Glory. And it would
be an indication that Satan was on the throne of their
heart.
Robert declines to answer affirmatively the question
here ,"Does he worship Jesus?".
Satan hates Jesus, and the thought of worshipping
Jesus would be anathema to him.
The other question that Robert declines to answer
is, "Do you *love* Jesus?"
"You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart,
and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is
the great and first commandment." ~ Mt 22:37-38
Perhaps our friend Robert will repent of his rebellion
against the above commandment of God, and fully
accept Jesus as Savior, Lord, God and King.
If so, that would indeed be a miracle.
And glory to God.
Amen.

You have snipped every reference to scripture that I posted to you, and
without understanding of any of them.

You have been persistent in that I should bow to you and your requirements,
not to those of the Lord Jesus.

You have prejudged me and my state with the Lord and by so doing you have set
yourself up as Judge.

You refuse to answer others, yet they must answer to you, doing so just like
AI Rosie.

Here is what the Lord said, and says.
Jhn 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Jhn 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my
words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our
abode with him.

When are you going to walk the walk, and walk the talk? Put these scriptures
in the list of those I posted the last several times, see how you walk stacks
up to what the Lord wants.

“Whatdoth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have
not works? can faith save him?” (Jas 2:14, KJV)

“Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith
without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.” (Jas 2:18,
KJV)

“Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to
escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son
of man.” (Luk 21:36, KJV)

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2024-11-23 13:46:09 UTC

<<>>

I am and have stated already, that I am a Born Again, Spirit filled
believer to you many times.

The question to you was, "What does Jesus mean to you personally?"
If you loved Him, you would be happy to answer what He means to
you personally.
Do you love Him? Do you worship Him?
If this question makes you angry, then it is
evidence that you are possessed by Satan,
the enemy of Jesus.

It does not make me angry.

________________________________________
Robert, do you *love* Jesus?
Jesus said that ~ this is the greatest commandment.
"You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart,
and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is
the great and first commandment." ~ Mt 22:37-38
Next question: Do you worship Jesus?
God has commanded us to worship Him. (Hebrews 1:6)

If one refuses to worship Jesus, they would have no
part in His eternal Kingdom of Glory. And it would
be an indication that Satan was on the throne of their
heart.
Robert declines to answer affirmatively the question
here ,"Does he worship Jesus?".
Satan hates Jesus, and the thought of worshipping
Jesus would be anathema to him.
The other question that Robert declines to answer
is, "Do you *love* Jesus?"
"You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart,
and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is
the great and first commandment." ~ Mt 22:37-38
Perhaps our friend Robert will repent of his rebellion
against the above commandment of God, and fully
accept Jesus as Savior, Lord, God and King.
If so, that would indeed be a miracle.
And glory to God.
Amen.

You have snipped every reference to scripture that
I posted to you, and without understanding of any
of them.

I simply asked you a few foundational questions that
would help us see whose side you were on.
_________________________________________

"Do you *love* Jesus?" and, "Do you *worship* Him?"
________________________________________

Those who do love and worship Him would be glad
to acknowledge their love for Him, and to testify of
their joyful daily experience with Him.

However if one was controlled by Satan, they would
bristle at such questions. They would obfuscate and
eventually refuse to answer.

Thank you..

Post by Robert
You have been persistent in that I should bow to you and your requirements,
not to those of the Lord Jesus.
You have prejudged me and my state with the Lord and by so doing you have set
yourself up as Judge.
You refuse to answer others, yet they must answer to you, doing so just like
AI Rosie.
Here is what the Lord said, and says.
Jhn 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Jhn 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my
words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our
abode with him.
When are you going to walk the walk, and walk the talk? Put these scriptures
in the list of those I posted the last several times, see how you walk stacks
up to what the Lord wants.
“Whatdoth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have
not works? can faith save him?” (Jas 2:14, KJV)
“Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith
without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.” (Jas 2:18,
KJV)
“Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to
escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son
of man.” (Luk 21:36, KJV)

Robert, just answer the questions.

"Do you *love* Jesus?" and, "Do you *worship* Him?"

Robert

2024-11-23 18:01:42 UTC

<<>>

I am and have stated already, that I am a Born Again, Spirit filled
believer to you many times.

The question to you was, "What does Jesus mean to you personally?"
If you loved Him, you would be happy to answer what He means to
you personally.
Do you love Him? Do you worship Him?
If this question makes you angry, then it is
evidence that you are possessed by Satan,
the enemy of Jesus.

It does not make me angry.

________________________________________
Robert, do you *love* Jesus?
Jesus said that ~ this is the greatest commandment.
"You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart,
and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is
the great and first commandment." ~ Mt 22:37-38
Next question: Do you worship Jesus?
God has commanded us to worship Him. (Hebrews 1:6)

If one refuses to worship Jesus, they would have no
part in His eternal Kingdom of Glory. And it would
be an indication that Satan was on the throne of their
heart.
Robert declines to answer affirmatively the question
here ,"Does he worship Jesus?".
Satan hates Jesus, and the thought of worshipping
Jesus would be anathema to him.
The other question that Robert declines to answer
is, "Do you *love* Jesus?"
"You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart,
and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is
the great and first commandment." ~ Mt 22:37-38
Perhaps our friend Robert will repent of his rebellion
against the above commandment of God, and fully
accept Jesus as Savior, Lord, God and King.
If so, that would indeed be a miracle.
And glory to God.
Amen.

You have snipped every reference to scripture that
I posted to you, and without understanding of any
of them.

I simply asked you a few foundational questions that
would help us see whose side you were on.
_________________________________________
"Do you *love* Jesus?" and, "Do you *worship* Him?"
________________________________________
Those who do love and worship Him would be glad
to acknowledge their love for Him, and to testify of
their joyful daily experience with Him.
However if one was controlled by Satan, they would
bristle at such questions. They would obfuscate and
eventually refuse to answer.
Thank you..

You have no scriptural basis for that.

There has been no obfuscation by me, just a refusal on your part to accept
the scriptures and to follow the Lord in His words.

Robert, just answer the questions.
"Do you *love* Jesus?" and, "Do you *worship* Him?”

I have a long standing history here, of my being a disciple of Jesus for
probably more years than you have lived since your mother spewed you out.
They are the evidence of my Faith Believing. If I do not measure up to your
standards, that is fine with me, as I have already answered your questions
long ago. Plus answered them directly to you as well.

You, are no better than the Dung guy who propagates his two whatever’s of
food a day who likewise accuses all who do not believe in his ways, and
demands that one say, “Jesus is Lord”. Which anyone can say, but not
follow in their heart, nor their actions.

There is a scripture that exemplifies that found in “Thou believest that
there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.”
(Jas 2:19, KJV)

“But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?” (Jas
2:20, KJV)

So just where are your works of Faith?

Belief, trust, and loyalty to a person or thing. Christians find their
security and hope in God as revealed in Jesus Christ, and say "amen" to that
unique relationship to God in the Holy Spirit through love and obedience as
expressed in lives of discipleship and service.

Not via a dogma, doctrine, or any semblance of a religious nature.

“God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and
in truth.” (Jhn 4:24, KJV)

To help clarify that to you there is this from,...

Jhn 4:24 (AMPC) God is a Spirit (a spiritual Being) and those who worship Him
must worship Him in spirit and in truth (reality).

Therefore, those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth. There must
be no sham or hypocrisy. There must be no pretense to being religious, when
inwardly one's life is corrupt. There must be no idea that in going through a
series of rituals, God is thereby pleased.

Rom 8:7 (KJV) Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not
subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

Rom 8:8 (KJV) So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Rom 8:9 (KJV) But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that
the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ,
he is none of his.

So then, do you pray “in the spirit”? Sing “in the spirit” as well as
the reality of with your physical body?

Are you “One with Jesus as He is in the Father”?

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In the Name of Jesus

2024-11-24 07:06:08 UTC

<<>>

I am and have stated already, that I am a Born Again, Spirit filled
believer to you many times.

The question to you was, "What does Jesus mean to you personally?"
If you loved Him, you would be happy to answer what He means to
you personally.
Do you love Him? Do you worship Him?
If this question makes you angry, then it is
evidence that you are possessed by Satan,
the enemy of Jesus.

It does not make me angry.

________________________________________
Robert, do you *love* Jesus?
Jesus said that ~ this is the greatest commandment.
"You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart,
and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is
the great and first commandment." ~ Mt 22:37-38
Next question: Do you worship Jesus?
God has commanded us to worship Him. (Hebrews 1:6)

If one refuses to worship Jesus, they would have no
part in His eternal Kingdom of Glory. And it would
be an indication that Satan was on the throne of their
heart.
Robert declines to answer affirmatively the question
here ,"Does he worship Jesus?".
Satan hates Jesus, and the thought of worshipping
Jesus would be anathema to him.
The other question that Robert declines to answer
is, "Do you *love* Jesus?"
"You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart,
and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is
the great and first commandment." ~ Mt 22:37-38
Perhaps our friend Robert will repent of his rebellion
against the above commandment of God, and fully
accept Jesus as Savior, Lord, God and King.
If so, that would indeed be a miracle.
And glory to God.
Amen.

You have snipped every reference to scripture that
I posted to you, and without understanding of any
of them.

I simply asked you a few foundational questions that
would help us see whose side you were on.
_________________________________________
"Do you *love* Jesus?" and, "Do you *worship* Him?"
________________________________________
Those who do love and worship Him would be glad
to acknowledge their love for Him, and to testify of
their joyful daily experience with Him.
However if one was controlled by Satan, they would
bristle at such questions. They would obfuscate and
eventually refuse to answer.
Thank you..

You have no scriptural basis for that.
There has been no obfuscation by me, just a refusal on your part to accept
the scriptures and to follow the Lord in His words.

Robert, just answer the questions.
"Do you *love* Jesus?" and, "Do you *worship* Him?”

The truth is simple, yes and yes.

Period.

But Robert doesn't know the Lord so he can't give the simple answer. All
he knows is his theology of self and uses his bible to worship himself.

He is going to be very shocked at the end of the day.

Serves him right, though, as the Lord has been very, very patient with him.

In the Name of Jesus

Post by Robert
I have a long standing history here, of my being a disciple of Jesus for
probably more years than you have lived since your mother spewed you out.
They are the evidence of my Faith Believing. If I do not measure up to your
standards, that is fine with me, as I have already answered your questions
long ago. Plus answered them directly to you as well.
You, are no better than the Dung guy who propagates his two whatever’s of
food a day who likewise accuses all who do not believe in his ways, and
demands that one say, “Jesus is Lord”. Which anyone can say, but not
follow in their heart, nor their actions.
There is a scripture that exemplifies that found in “Thou believest that
there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.”
(Jas 2:19, KJV)
“But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?” (Jas
2:20, KJV)
So just where are your works of Faith?
Belief, trust, and loyalty to a person or thing. Christians find their
security and hope in God as revealed in Jesus Christ, and say "amen" to that
unique relationship to God in the Holy Spirit through love and obedience as
expressed in lives of discipleship and service.
Not via a dogma, doctrine, or any semblance of a religious nature.
“God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and
in truth.” (Jhn 4:24, KJV)
To help clarify that to you there is this from,...
Jhn 4:24 (AMPC) God is a Spirit (a spiritual Being) and those who worship Him
must worship Him in spirit and in truth (reality).
Therefore, those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth. There must
be no sham or hypocrisy. There must be no pretense to being religious, when
inwardly one's life is corrupt. There must be no idea that in going through a
series of rituals, God is thereby pleased.
Rom 8:7 (KJV) Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not
subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Rom 8:8 (KJV) So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Rom 8:9 (KJV) But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that
the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ,
he is none of his.
So then, do you pray “in the spirit”? Sing “in the spirit” as well as
the reality of with your physical body?
Are you “One with Jesus as He is in the Father”?

Andrew

2024-11-24 11:47:53 UTC

<<>>

I am and have stated already, that I am a Born Again, Spirit filled
believer to you many times.

The question to you was, "What does Jesus mean to you personally?"
If you loved Him, you would be happy to answer what He means to
you personally.
Do you love Him? Do you worship Him?
If this question makes you angry, then it is
evidence that you are possessed by Satan,
the enemy of Jesus.

It does not make me angry.

________________________________________
Robert, do you *love* Jesus?
Jesus said that ~ this is the greatest commandment.
"You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart,
and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is
the great and first commandment." ~ Mt 22:37-38
Next question: Do you worship Jesus?
God has commanded us to worship Him. (Hebrews 1:6)

If one refuses to worship Jesus, they would have no
part in His eternal Kingdom of Glory. And it would
be an indication that Satan was on the throne of their
heart.
Robert declines to answer affirmatively the question
here ,"Does he worship Jesus?".
Satan hates Jesus, and the thought of worshipping
Jesus would be anathema to him.
The other question that Robert declines to answer
is, "Do you *love* Jesus?"
"You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart,
and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is
the great and first commandment." ~ Mt 22:37-38
Perhaps our friend Robert will repent of his rebellion
against the above commandment of God, and fully
accept Jesus as Savior, Lord, God and King.
If so, that would indeed be a miracle.
And glory to God.
Amen.

You have snipped every reference to scripture that
I posted to you, and without understanding of any
of them.

I simply asked you a few foundational questions that
would help us see whose side you were on.
_________________________________________
"Do you *love* Jesus?" and, "Do you *worship* Him?"
________________________________________
Those who do love and worship Him would be glad
to acknowledge their love for Him, and to testify of
their joyful daily experience with Him.
However if one was controlled by Satan, they would
bristle at such questions. They would obfuscate and
eventually refuse to answer.
Thank you..

You have no scriptural basis for that.

If you bristle, obfuscate and refuse to directly answer when asked,

"Do you *love* Jesus?" and, "Do you *worship* Him?"

Then that would be an obvious sign that you are controlled by Satan.

Jesus can deliver you from the darkness that has controlled you, but
only if you permit Him to do so.

Post by Robert
There has been no obfuscation by me, just a refusal on your part to accept
the scriptures and to follow the Lord in His words.

Robert, just answer the questions.
"Do you *love* Jesus?" and, "Do you *worship* Him?”

I have a long standing history here, of my being a disciple of Jesus

The Pharisees said to Jesus, "Abraham is our father" John 8:39.

But Jesus told them that their father was the Devil. John 8:44

They were in the right 'church', but rejected the transformation
of heart that God offers to all who have a surrendered heart to
Him.

They decidedly rejected Jesus. Thus they rejected God.

Are you not doing the same?

Post by Robert
for probably more years than you have lived since your mother spewed you out.
They are the evidence of my Faith Believing. If I do not measure up to your
standards, that is fine with me, as I have already answered your questions
long ago. Plus answered them directly to you as well.
You, are no better than the Dung guy who propagates his two whatever’s of
food a day who likewise accuses all who do not believe in his ways, and
demands that one say, “Jesus is Lord”. Which anyone can say, but not
follow in their heart, nor their actions.
There is a scripture that exemplifies that found in “Thou believest that
there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.”
(Jas 2:19, KJV)
“But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?” (Jas
2:20, KJV)
So just where are your works of Faith?
Belief, trust, and loyalty to a person or thing. Christians find their
security and hope in God as revealed in Jesus Christ, and say "amen" to that
unique relationship to God in the Holy Spirit through love and obedience as
expressed in lives of discipleship and service.
Not via a dogma, doctrine, or any semblance of a religious nature.
“God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and
in truth.” (Jhn 4:24, KJV)
To help clarify that to you there is this from,...
Jhn 4:24 (AMPC) God is a Spirit (a spiritual Being) and those who worship Him
must worship Him in spirit and in truth (reality).
Therefore, those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth. There must
be no sham or hypocrisy. There must be no pretense to being religious, when
inwardly one's life is corrupt. There must be no idea that in going through a
series of rituals, God is thereby pleased.
Rom 8:7 (KJV) Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not
subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Rom 8:8 (KJV) So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Rom 8:9 (KJV) But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that
the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ,
he is none of his.
So then, do you pray “in the spirit”? Sing “in the spirit” as well as
the reality of with your physical body?
Are you “One with Jesus as He is in the Father”?
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Robert

2024-11-24 19:53:26 UTC

<<>>

I am and have stated already, that I am a Born Again, Spirit filled
believer to you many times.

The question to you was, "What does Jesus mean to you personally?"
If you loved Him, you would be happy to answer what He means to
you personally.
Do you love Him? Do you worship Him?
If this question makes you angry, then it is
evidence that you are possessed by Satan,
the enemy of Jesus.

It does not make me angry.

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Robert, do you *love* Jesus?
Jesus said that ~ this is the greatest commandment.
"You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart,
and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is
the great and first commandment." ~ Mt 22:37-38
Next question: Do you worship Jesus?
God has commanded us to worship Him. (Hebrews 1:6)

If one refuses to worship Jesus, they would have no
part in His eternal Kingdom of Glory. And it would
be an indication that Satan was on the throne of their
heart.
Robert declines to answer affirmatively the question
here ,"Does he worship Jesus?".
Satan hates Jesus, and the thought of worshipping
Jesus would be anathema to him.
The other question that Robert declines to answer
is, "Do you *love* Jesus?"
"You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart,
and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is
the great and first commandment." ~ Mt 22:37-38
Perhaps our friend Robert will repent of his rebellion
against the above commandment of God, and fully
accept Jesus as Savior, Lord, God and King.
If so, that would indeed be a miracle.
And glory to God.
Amen.

You have snipped every reference to scripture that
I posted to you, and without understanding of any
of them.

I simply asked you a few foundational questions that
would help us see whose side you were on.
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"Do you *love* Jesus?" and, "Do you *worship* Him?"
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Those who do love and worship Him would be glad
to acknowledge their love for Him, and to testify of
their joyful daily experience with Him.
However if one was controlled by Satan, they would
bristle at such questions. They would obfuscate and
eventually refuse to answer.
Thank you..

You have no scriptural basis for that.

If you bristle, obfuscate and refuse to directly answer when asked,
"Do you *love* Jesus?" and, "Do you *worship* Him?"
Then that would be an obvious sign that you are controlled by Satan.

Where is your scriptural basis for your accusations? In fact you are doing
the same thing as the Pharisee of His day, and for the very same reason/cause
as you mentioned below.

Post by Andrew
Jesus can deliver you from the darkness that has controlled you, but
only if you permit Him to do so.

He has already done so, many decades ago.

Post by Robert
There has been no obfuscation by me, just a refusal on your part to accept
the scriptures and to follow the Lord in His words.

Again I point out the above to you. And again I repeat that I addressed your
questions to you several times this year. Like the Pharisee, you ignore that
as well as the scriptures.

Post by Robert
You have been persistent in that I should bow to you and your
requirements, not to those of the Lord Jesus.
You have prejudged me and my state with the Lord and by so doing you have
set yourself up as Judge.
You refuse to answer others, yet they must answer to you, doing so just
like AI Rosie.
Here is what the Lord said, and says.
Jhn 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Jhn 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep
my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make
our abode with him.
When are you going to walk the walk, and walk the talk? Put these
scriptures in the list of those I posted the last several times, see how you walk
stacks up to what the Lord wants.
“Whatdoth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and
have not works? can faith save him?” (Jas 2:14, KJV)
“Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy
faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.” (Jas
2:18, KJV)
“Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to
escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the
Son of man.” (Luk 21:36, KJV)

Robert, just answer the questions.
"Do you *love* Jesus?" and, "Do you *worship* Him?”

I have a long standing history here, of my being a disciple of Jesus

The Pharisees said to Jesus, "Abraham is our father" John 8:39.
But Jesus told them that their father was the Devil. John 8:44
They were in the right 'church', but rejected the transformation
of heart that God offers to all who have a surrendered heart to
Him.

So have you. Just as the Pharisee set themselves up as judges over Jesus, due
to their lack of following the scriptures, and recognizing who Jesus is and
was to be. From the High Priest of that day on down to the Pharisee, so have
you behaved. Not out of the righteousness of God, but your
self-righteousness. Your heart is not one of love but condemnation. You, who
have no authority to sit in a judgment seat, put your own self up there on a
pedestal, and scripture says that what judgment you pass out, you will be
held accountable for.

When a person operates out of feigned love, they are not of God. You are
little different in principle than MM sitting there in your seat of judgment
of all others.

Heb 10:30For we know him that hath said, Vengeancebelongeth unto me, I will
recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.

Not you nor anyone else.

Post by Andrew
They decidedly rejected Jesus. Thus they rejected God.

“A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have
loved you, that ye also love one another. By this shall all men know that ye
are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.” (Jhn 13:34-35, KJV)

Do you follow His commandment? Or do you reject Him in your walk and talk.

1Jn 3:10In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the
devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that
loveth not his brother.

1Jn 3:14We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the
brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.

“But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy
brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is
written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every
tongue shall confess to God. So then every one of us shall give account of
himself to God.” (Rom 14:10-12, KJV)

Post by Andrew
Are you not doing the same?

Nope, but lest you fall into a snare of your own making, being deceived, I
gave you many scriptures, none of which you follow. Either you will let your
eyes be opened by the Lord, or you will harden your heart against the things
of God.

????

Post by Robert
Belief, trust, and loyalty to a person or thing. Christians find their
security and hope in God as revealed in Jesus Christ, and say "amen" to that
unique relationship to God in the Holy Spirit through love and obedience as
expressed in lives of discipleship and service.
Not via a dogma, doctrine, or any semblance of a religious nature.
“God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and
in truth.” (Jhn 4:24, KJV)
To help clarify that to you there is this from,...
Jhn 4:24 (AMPC) God is a Spirit (a spiritual Being) and those who worship
Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth (reality).
Therefore, those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth. There must
be no sham or hypocrisy. There must be no pretense to being religious, when
inwardly one's life is corrupt. There must be no idea that in going through
a series of rituals, God is thereby pleased.
Rom 8:7 (KJV) Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not
subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Rom 8:8 (KJV) So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Rom 8:9 (KJV) But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that
the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ,
he is none of his.
So then, do you pray “in the spirit”? Sing “in the spirit” as well as
the reality of with your physical body?
Are you “One with Jesus as He is in the Father”?

Well? You never answered the questions, nor did comment on the scriptures of
God.

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Christ Rose

2024-11-24 05:57:40 UTC

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Robert <***@no.way> wrote:
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Post by Robert
You refuse to answer others, yet they must answer to you, doing so just like
AI Rosie.

You hypocritical Liar. Many times I spent hours answering your entire
objections line-by-line, only to have you selectively snip and remove
parts of the response, or just respond to a small fraction of it. Even
if I answered 15 objections, you would just immediately turn on a dime,
and rattle off 15 new accusations--never admitting the fallacy of your
debunked claims.
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Have you heard the good news Christ died for our sins (†), and God
raised Him from the dead?

That Christ died for our sins shows we're sinners who deserve the death
penalty. That God raised Him from the dead shows Christ's death
satisfied God's righteous demands against our sin (Romans 3:25; 1 John
2:1-2). This means God can now remain just, while forgiving you of your
sins, and saving you from eternal damnation.

On the basis of Christ's death and resurrection for our sins, call on
the name of the Lord to save you: "For 'everyone who calls on the name
of the Lord will be saved.'" (Romans 10:13, ESV)

https://christrose.news/salvation

In the Name of Jesus

2024-11-24 07:02:15 UTC