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To whom are the believers instructed to pray unto, and why?
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Robert
2024-11-25 16:38:23 UTC
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Who did Jesus teach to pray to?

“After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven,
Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is
in heaven.” (Mat 6:9-10, KJV)

Notice that it was to His Father, Our Father who is in heaven. Jesus was on
earth when He spoke that.

This is repeated elsewhere in the Gospels.

When Jesus left this earth, he left instructions to us on to whom we should
pray.

“And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you,
Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give ityou. Hitherto
have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy
may be full.” (Jhn 16:23-24, KJV)

“For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have
believed that I came out from God. I came forth from the Father, and am come
into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.” (Jhn
16:27-28, KJV)

Jesus was clearly very specific about this. Then in another place he gave the
understanding of this.

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I
do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go
unto my Father. And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that
the Father may be glorified in the Son. If ye shall ask any thing in my name,
I will do it.” (Jhn 14:12-14, KJV)

How is this possible?

“These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said,
Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify
thee: As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give
eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. And this is life eternal,
that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast
sent. I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou
gavest me to do. And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with
the glory which I had with thee before the world was.” (Jhn 17:1-5, KJV)

“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in
heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them
in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching
them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am
with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.” (Mat 28:18-20, KJV)

Yes to the end of this world. But then what?

“And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also
himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be
all in all.” (1Co 15:28, KJV)

Obviously the first begotten Son of God had someone to whom he returned the
power given to him.

All things are to the Glory of the Heavenly Father, and through His Son, that
we might be made part of the Family of God the Father.

You have a choice. To know God, or know the religious traditions of men.

“Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to
escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son
of man.” (Luk 21:36, KJV)
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In the Name of Jesus
2024-11-25 20:11:48 UTC
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Who did Jesus teach to pray to?
“After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven,
Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is
in heaven.” (Mat 6:9-10, KJV)
Notice that it was to His Father, Our Father who is in heaven. Jesus was on
earth when He spoke that.
This is repeated elsewhere in the Gospels.
When Jesus left this earth, he left instructions to us on to whom we should
pray.
“And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you,
Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give ityou. Hitherto
have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy
may be full.” (Jhn 16:23-24, KJV)
“For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have
believed that I came out from God. I came forth from the Father, and am come
into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.” (Jhn
16:27-28, KJV)
Jesus was clearly very specific about this. Then in another place he gave the
understanding of this.
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I
do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go
unto my Father. And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that
the Father may be glorified in the Son. If ye shall ask any thing in my name,
I will do it.” (Jhn 14:12-14, KJV)
How is this possible?
“These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said,
Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify
thee: As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give
eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. And this is life eternal,
that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast
sent. I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou
gavest me to do. And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with
the glory which I had with thee before the world was.” (Jhn 17:1-5, KJV)
“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in
heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them
in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching
them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am
with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.” (Mat 28:18-20, KJV)
Yes to the end of this world. But then what?
“And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also
himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be
all in all.” (1Co 15:28, KJV)
Obviously the first begotten Son of God had someone to whom he returned the
power given to him.
All things are to the Glory of the Heavenly Father, and through His Son, that
we might be made part of the Family of God the Father.
You have a choice. To know God, or know the religious traditions of men.
“Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to
escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son
of man.” (Luk 21:36, KJV)
He doesn't know the Lord Jesus Christ.

After all these years and he is still clueless.

That is what happens when you worship yourself in your bible.





In the Name of Jesus
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God is God in all His Being. All the glory is His, for He is all glory.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything, He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free, and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

"The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence or proof is to be found."

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not so that a book could pass
through it for a sinner to play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: a man full of bluster and bullshit in his
meaninglessness pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

"What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence."

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God; God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

"Atheism: "The claim that life received from itself."

"But remember this: always, absolutely always, all the glory is the
Lord's and His alone, and anyone who takes any credit for anything, you
know, instantly, he is not what he pretends to be and is a false prophet."

"That light had to bear (bears all things) the darkness for us, but that
light did not ever become darkness."

"You must reach beyond the bible that tells you about Him, and into your
daily life to find Him in Person. He's there."

"What is wrong with Christendom? False understanding based on compromise."

"It is not in man to love his enemies. And if he tries, he is walking in
a lie and trying to raise himself up to the level of God."

"God has to be quiet now; we have our bible. Well, then, who is going to
speak?"

"It is all about the Lord in His glory and whether a man loves Him with
all for who He is."

"A son of God became the bible when he was born again because the Holy
Spirit took up residence in his heart as Lord."
Christ Rose
2024-11-26 01:21:42 UTC
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Post by Robert
Who did Jesus teach to pray to?
“After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven,
Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is
in heaven.” (Mat 6:9-10, KJV)
Notice that it was to His Father, Our Father who is in heaven. Jesus was on
earth when He spoke that.
This is repeated elsewhere in the Gospels.
When Jesus left this earth, he left instructions to us on to whom we should
pray.
“And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you,
Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give ityou. Hitherto
have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy
may be full.” (Jhn 16:23-24, KJV)
“For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have
believed that I came out from God. I came forth from the Father, and am come
into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.” (Jhn
16:27-28, KJV)
Jesus was clearly very specific about this. Then in another place he gave the
understanding of this.
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I
do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go
unto my Father. And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that
the Father may be glorified in the Son. If ye shall ask any thing in my name,
I will do it.” (Jhn 14:12-14, KJV)
How is this possible?
“These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said,
Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify
thee: As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give
eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. And this is life eternal,
that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast
sent. I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou
gavest me to do. And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with
the glory which I had with thee before the world was.” (Jhn 17:1-5, KJV)
“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in
heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them
in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching
them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am
with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.” (Mat 28:18-20, KJV)
Yes to the end of this world. But then what?
“And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also
himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be
all in all.” (1Co 15:28, KJV)
Obviously the first begotten Son of God had someone to whom he returned the
power given to him.
All things are to the Glory of the Heavenly Father, and through His Son, that
we might be made part of the Family of God the Father.
You have a choice. To know God, or know the religious traditions of men.
“Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to
escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son
of man.” (Luk 21:36, KJV)
You simply selected verses which mention worshiping the Father, while
passing over verses which show it is right to worship the Son:

- Matthew 2:11: "And going into the house, they saw the child with Mary
his mother, and they fell down and worshiped him. Then, opening their
treasures, they offered him gifts, gold and frankincense and myrrh" (ESV).

- Matthew 14:33: "And those in the boat worshiped him, saying, 'Truly
you are the Son of God'" (ESV).

- Matthew 28:9: "And behold, Jesus met them and said, 'Greetings!' And
they came up and took hold of his feet and worshiped him" (ESV).

- Matthew 28:17: "And when they saw him they worshiped him, but some
doubted" (ESV).

- John 9:38: "He said, 'Lord, I believe,' and he worshiped him" (ESV).

- John 20:28: "Thomas answered him, 'My Lord and my God!'" (ESV).

- Philippians 2:10-11: "So that at the name of Jesus every knee should
bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue
confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father" (ESV).

- Hebrews 1:6: "And again, when he brings the firstborn into the world,
he says, 'Let all God’s angels worship him'" (ESV).

- Revelation 5:11-14: "Then I looked, and I heard around the throne and
the living creatures and the elders the voice of many angels, numbering
myriads of myriads and thousands of thousands, saying with a loud voice,
'Worthy is the Lamb who was slain, to receive power and wealth and
wisdom and might and honor and glory and blessing!' And I heard every
creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and in the sea, and
all that is in them, saying, 'To him who sits on the throne and to the
Lamb be blessing and honor and glory and might forever and ever!' And
the four living creatures said, 'Amen!' and the elders fell down and
worshiped" (ESV).
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raised Him from the dead?

That Christ died for our sins shows we're sinners who deserve the death
penalty. That God raised Him from the dead shows Christ's death
satisfied God's righteous demands against our sin (Romans 3:25; 1 John
2:1-2). This means God can now remain just, while forgiving you of your
sins, and saving you from eternal damnation.

On the basis of Christ's death and resurrection for our sins, call on
the name of the Lord to save you: "For 'everyone who calls on the name
of the Lord will be saved.'" (Romans 10:13, ESV)

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