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Origin of Yom Kippur?
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David Dalton
2024-12-11 00:20:21 UTC
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(I asked this on some Jewish groups as well, but thought
there might be knowledgeable scholars on here as well.)

Did the observance of Yom Kippur originate with Moses,
or does it date to an earlier figure such as Jacob?

Right now the phase of the moon is the same phase as
Yom Kippur though of course it is not the right lunar month.
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Madhu
2024-12-11 03:23:09 UTC
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[I spotted this on a.b.prophecy and am responding only here, i don't know
if David will see it.]
Post by David Dalton
Did the observance of Yom Kippur originate with Moses,
or does it date to an earlier figure such as Jacob?
It is legitimate only after Moses, when after it is given to him by God
as a commandment to the Israelis. This applies for all the institutions
and practices and rites of the Israelis, (including sacrifice,
sanctuary/tabernacle worship etc.)

Most off the institutions and practices are echos of qhat existed in
nations that surrounded the Israelis is not relevant. When God gave gave
these practices (like sacrifice etc.) they were divorced from the pagan
theologies that they were associated with prior pracices. The
intepretaion by Israel has to be different from the interpretation of
the nations, if God has to teach a theology lesson to the Israelis
through the medium of these practices and rights and laws.

For e.g. from https://www.theology.edu/ugarbib.htm

"Yet another interesting parallel between Israel and Ugarit is
the yearly ritual known as the sending out of the scapegoats ;
one for god and one for a demon. The Biblical text which relates
this procedure is Leviticus 16:1-34. In this text a goat is sent
into the wilderness for Azazel (a demon) and one is sent into
the wilderness for Yahweh. This rite is known as a eliminatory
rite; that is, a contagion (in this case communal sin) is placed
on the head of the goat and it is sent away. In this way it was
believed that (magically) the sinful material was removed from
the community."

The Israeli practice is legitimate only after Moses. It has to be
interpreted in the light of what scripture says about sin.

10:4 because it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take
away sins. (Heb 10:4)

1:11 To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith
the LORD: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed
beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of
he goats. (Isa 1:11)

[The other nations may offer sacrifices under the belief that the act
relieves ths sins but Israel must not do that but do it out of regard
for the covenant which in turn leads to the gospel and a full knowledge
of the grace of god which is what works "the removal of sin" ]
Post by David Dalton
Right now the phase of the moon is the same phase as
Yom Kippur though of course it is not the right lunar month.
Malachi17
2024-12-16 02:23:12 UTC
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Post by David Dalton
(I asked this on some Jewish groups as well, but thought
there might be knowledgeable scholars on here as well.)
Did the observance of Yom Kippur originate with Moses,
or does it date to an earlier figure such as Jacob?
Right now the phase of the moon is the same phase as
Yom Kippur though of course it is not the right lunar month.
The holiday itself is eternal and was practiced, as far as I know, when
the Temple existed heavily since it was the last day before the doors
were closed. The earthly Temple, however, was based on the heavenly and
existed well before the earthly version.

This article examines the root word of "kafar" as it relates to Yom
Kippur and discusses precedents where it occurs in the Bible:
https://blog.israelbiblicalstudies.com/jewish-studies/yom-kippur-from-genesis-to-leviticus/
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