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atone |əˈtəʊn|. verb [no object]

make amends or reparation:a human sacrifice to atone for the sin.

origin Middle English(originally in the sense ‘make or become united or
reconciled’, rare before the 16th century):from at one in early use; later
by back-formation from atonement.
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atonement|əˈtəʊnm(ə)nt|.

noun[mass noun].

the action of making amends for a wrong or injury:he submitted his
resignation as an act of atonement.

(in religious contexts) reparation or expiation for sin:an annual ceremony of
confession andatonement forsin.

(the Atonement) Christian theology the reconciliation of God and humankind
through Jesus Christ,

origin;early 16th century(denoting unity or reconciliation, especially
between God and man): from at one+-ment , influenced by medieval Latin
adunamentum‘unity’, and earlier one ment from an obsolete verb one‘to
unite’.
************************

Words mean something. IOW One with, as Jesus said, that the Born Again
Believer is one with Him, as He is with the Heavenly Father.

What is so intriguing about this is that in the OT the Blood of the Lamb was
applied to the Ark of the Covenant for the sins of the Nation of Israel. All
representating what Jesus was going to do when He applied His blood to the
Ark of the Covenant in Heaven. (A copy of which was built as designed by God,
to be placed into the Holy of Holies on earth.)

All of these things were purposed by God to restore Man to be one with God as
he was designed and created to be in the Garden of Eden. Yet was broken by
the disobedience of the First Adam. The second Adam, Jesus the Messiah, was
and is the real sacrifice which ’atoned’ for the sins of mankind to
restore us into the position of being one with Jesus and the Heavenly Father,
as they were and are One.

HOW AMAZING IS THAT !!!!
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In the Name of Jesus
2024-10-30 20:55:22 UTC
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atone |əˈtəʊn|. verb [no object]
make amends or reparation:a human sacrifice to atone for the sin.
origin Middle English(originally in the sense ‘make or become united or
reconciled’, rare before the 16th century):from at one in early use; later
by back-formation from atonement.
***********************
atonement|əˈtəʊnm(ə)nt|.
noun[mass noun].
the action of making amends for a wrong or injury:he submitted his
resignation as an act of atonement.
(in religious contexts) reparation or expiation for sin:an annual ceremony of
confession andatonement forsin.
(the Atonement) Christian theology the reconciliation of God and humankind
through Jesus Christ,
origin;early 16th century(denoting unity or reconciliation, especially
between God and man): from at one+-ment , influenced by medieval Latin
adunamentum‘unity’, and earlier one ment from an obsolete verb one‘to
unite’.
************************
Words mean something. IOW One with, as Jesus said, that the Born Again
Believer is one with Him, as He is with the Heavenly Father.
What is so intriguing about this is that in the OT the Blood of the Lamb was
applied to the Ark of the Covenant for the sins of the Nation of Israel. All
representating what Jesus was going to do when He applied His blood to the
Ark of the Covenant in Heaven. (A copy of which was built as designed by God,
to be placed into the Holy of Holies on earth.)
All of these things were purposed by God to restore Man to be one with God as
he was designed and created to be in the Garden of Eden. Yet was broken by
the disobedience of the First Adam. The second Adam, Jesus the Messiah, was
and is the real sacrifice which ’atoned’ for the sins of mankind to
restore us into the position of being one with Jesus and the Heavenly Father,
as they were and are One.
HOW AMAZING IS THAT !!!!
The means, yes, amazing, but it is not as half as amazing as the
glorious end of being One with Him.

Hence, the constant reminder to all...

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not so that a book could pass
through it for a sinner to play God."

Or, one could say, "The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not so
that a sinner could lean on his own understanding."

Or, "The veil of the temple was rent in twain, so that a man could be
One with God."




In the Name of Jesus
--
God is God in all His Being. All the glory is His, for He is all glory.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything, He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free, and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

"The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence or proof is to be found."

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not so that a book could pass
through it for a sinner to play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: a man full of bluster and bullshit in his
meaninglessness pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

"What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence."

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God; God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

"Atheism: "The claim that life received from itself."

"But remember this: always, absolutely always, all the glory is the
Lord's and His alone, and anyone who takes any credit for anything, you
know, instantly, he is not what he pretends to be and is a false prophet."

"That light had to bear (bears all things) the darkness for us, but that
light did not ever become darkness."

"You must reach beyond the bible that tells you about Him, and into your
daily life to find Him in Person. He's there."

"What is wrong with Christendom? False understanding based on compromise."

"It is not in man to love his enemies. And if he tries, he is walking in
a lie and trying to raise himself up to the level of God."

"God has to be quiet now; we have our bible." Well, then, who is going
to speak?
Christ Rose
2024-10-30 22:37:51 UTC
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Post by Robert
atone |əˈtəʊn|. verb [no object]
make amends or reparation:a human sacrifice to atone for the sin.
origin Middle English(originally in the sense ‘make or become united or
reconciled’, rare before the 16th century):from at one in early use; later
by back-formation from atonement.
*
atonement|əˈtəʊnm(ə)nt|.
noun[mass noun].
the action of making amends for a wrong or injury:he submitted his
resignation as an act of atonement.
(in religious contexts) reparation or expiation for sin:an annual ceremony of
confession andatonement forsin.
(the Atonement) Christian theology the reconciliation of God and humankind
through Jesus Christ,
origin;early 16th century(denoting unity or reconciliation, especially
between God and man): from at one+-ment , influenced by medieval Latin
adunamentum‘unity’, and earlier one ment from an obsolete verb one‘to
unite’.
Words mean something. IOW One with, as Jesus said, that the Born Again
Believer is one with Him, as He is with the Heavenly Father.
What is so intriguing about this is that in the OT the Blood of the Lamb was
applied to the Ark of the Covenant for the sins of the Nation of Israel. All
representating what Jesus was going to do when He applied His blood to the
Ark of the Covenant in Heaven. (A copy of which was built as designed by God,
to be placed into the Holy of Holies on earth.)
All of these things were purposed by God to restore Man to be one with God as
he was designed and created to be in the Garden of Eden. Yet was broken by
the disobedience of the First Adam. The second Adam, Jesus the Messiah, was
and is the real sacrifice which ’atoned’ for the sins of mankind to
restore us into the position of being one with Jesus and the Heavenly Father,
as they were and are One.
HOW AMAZING IS THAT !!!!
Jesus is eternally self-existent as God. John 1:1 states, "In the
beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was
God." This verse teaches that Jesus (the Word) has always existed as God
and with God from eternity, affirming both His distinct personhood and
divine nature. Believers, however, do not become part of the Godhead or
the eternally self-existing God through their union with Christ.

Believers become one with Christ and with other believers, not by
merging into the essence of God, but by being brought into intimate
fellowship with Him. This union is relational and covenantal, reflecting
harmony, shared purpose, and participation in God’s life through Christ.
It fulfills Jesus’ prayer in John 17:21: "that they may all be one, just
as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You, that they also may be in Us."

Union with Christ means believers are incorporated into His body (1
Corinthians 12:27) and partake in the blessings of salvation:
justification, sanctification, and glorification (Romans 8:30). Through
this union, believers receive new life in Christ, share in the Spirit,
and live in obedience to God’s will. However, they do not attain God's
attributes such as omnipotence or self-existence.

Instead, believers experience unity with God in the sense of communion
and shared fellowship. 2 Peter 1:4 explains that believers become
"partakers of the divine nature," not by becoming God but by escaping
the corruption of the world and reflecting God's character. This union
brings transformation into Christlikeness (Romans 8:29) and aligns
believers with God's purposes, but it preserves the Creator-creature
distinction.

Thus, while believers become one with Christ and share fellowship with
God, they remain distinct beings. Their unity with God mirrors
relational oneness rather than ontological unity—the perfect, eternal
unity shared uniquely by the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

In short, believers do not BECOME The Eternally Self-existing GOD when
they are made one in Christ.
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Have you heard the good news Christ died for our sins (†), and God
raised Him from the dead?

That Christ died for our sins shows we're sinners who deserve the death
penalty. That God raised Him from the dead shows Christ's death
satisfied God's righteous demands against our sin (Romans 3:25; 1 John
2:1-2). This means God can now remain just, while forgiving you of your
sins, and saving you from eternal damnation.

On the basis of Christ's death and resurrection for our sins, call on
the name of the Lord to save you: "For 'everyone who calls on the name
of the Lord will be saved.'" (Romans 10:13, ESV)

https://christrose.news/salvation
In the Name of Jesus
2024-10-30 23:01:48 UTC
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Post by Robert
atone |əˈtəʊn|. verb [no object]
make amends or reparation:a human sacrifice to atone for the sin.
origin Middle English(originally in the sense ‘make or become united or
reconciled’, rare before the 16th century):from at one in early use; later
by back-formation from atonement.
*
atonement|əˈtəʊnm(ə)nt|.
noun[mass noun].
the action of making amends for a wrong or injury:he submitted his
resignation as an act of atonement.
(in religious contexts) reparation or expiation for sin:an annual ceremony of
confession andatonement forsin.
(the Atonement) Christian theology the reconciliation of God and humankind
through Jesus Christ,
origin;early 16th century(denoting unity or reconciliation, especially
between God and man): from at one+-ment , influenced by medieval Latin
adunamentum‘unity’, and earlier one ment from an obsolete verb one‘to
unite’.
Words mean something. IOW One with, as Jesus said, that the Born Again
Believer is one with Him, as He is with the Heavenly Father.
What is so intriguing about this is that in the OT the Blood of the Lamb was
applied to the Ark of the Covenant for the sins of the Nation of Israel. All
representating what Jesus was going to do when He applied His blood to the
Ark of the Covenant in Heaven. (A copy of which was built as designed by God,
to be placed into the Holy of Holies on earth.)
All of these things were purposed by God to restore Man to be one with God as
he was designed and created to be in the Garden of Eden. Yet was broken by
the disobedience of the First Adam. The second Adam, Jesus the Messiah, was
and is the real sacrifice which ’atoned’ for the sins of mankind to
restore us into the position of being one with Jesus and the Heavenly Father,
as they were and are One.
HOW AMAZING IS THAT !!!!
Jesus is eternally self-existent as God. John 1:1 states, "In the
beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was
God." This verse teaches that Jesus (the Word) has always existed as God
and with God from eternity, affirming both His distinct personhood and
divine nature. Believers, however, do not become part of the Godhead or
the eternally self-existing God through their union with Christ.
Believers become one with Christ and with other believers, not by
merging into the essence of God, but by being brought into intimate
fellowship with Him. This union is relational and covenantal, reflecting
harmony, shared purpose, and participation in God’s life through Christ.
It fulfills Jesus’ prayer in John 17:21: "that they may all be one, just
as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You, that they also may be in Us."
Union with Christ means believers are incorporated into His body (1
justification, sanctification, and glorification (Romans 8:30). Through
this union, believers receive new life in Christ, share in the Spirit,
and live in obedience to God’s will. However, they do not attain God's
attributes such as omnipotence or self-existence.
Instead, believers experience unity with God in the sense of communion
and shared fellowship. 2 Peter 1:4 explains that believers become
"partakers of the divine nature," not by becoming God but by escaping
the corruption of the world and reflecting God's character. This union
brings transformation into Christlikeness (Romans 8:29) and aligns
believers with God's purposes, but it preserves the Creator-creature
distinction.
Thus, while believers become one with Christ and share fellowship with
God, they remain distinct beings. Their unity with God mirrors
relational oneness rather than ontological unity—the perfect, eternal
unity shared uniquely by the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
In short, believers do not BECOME The Eternally Self-existing GOD when
they are made one in Christ.
Yes, they do. Family is family and is eternal self-existent Oneness in
and of God.

And this was explained to me by the Holy Spirit...

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

You see, it is about the nature and glory of God. He is a "withhold
nothing" God whose love is all inclusive.

Eph 3:20  Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all
that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,

The power of what?

You need to have faith in God and lean not on your own sinner
understanding. You are your own very bad enemy.





In the Name of Jesus
--
God is God in all His Being. All the glory is His, for He is all glory.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything, He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free, and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

"The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence or proof is to be found."

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not so that a book could pass
through it for a sinner to play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: a man full of bluster and bullshit in his
meaninglessness pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

"What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence."

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God; God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

"Atheism: "The claim that life received from itself."

"But remember this: always, absolutely always, all the glory is the
Lord's and His alone, and anyone who takes any credit for anything, you
know, instantly, he is not what he pretends to be and is a false prophet."

"That light had to bear (bears all things) the darkness for us, but that
light did not ever become darkness."

"You must reach beyond the bible that tells you about Him, and into your
daily life to find Him in Person. He's there."

"What is wrong with Christendom? False understanding based on compromise."

"It is not in man to love his enemies. And if he tries, he is walking in
a lie and trying to raise himself up to the level of God."

"God has to be quiet now; we have our bible." Well, then, who is going
to speak?
Christ Rose
2024-10-31 00:58:21 UTC
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Post by Robert
atone |əˈtəʊn|. verb [no object]
make amends or reparation:a human sacrifice to atone for the sin.
origin Middle English(originally in the sense ‘make or become united or
reconciled’, rare before the 16th century):from at one in early use; later
by back-formation from atonement.
*
atonement|əˈtəʊnm(ə)nt|.
noun[mass noun].
the action of making amends for a wrong or injury:he submitted his
resignation as an act of atonement.
(in religious contexts) reparation or expiation for sin:an annual ceremony of
confession andatonement forsin.
(the Atonement) Christian theology the reconciliation of God and humankind
through Jesus Christ,
origin;early 16th century(denoting unity or reconciliation, especially
between God and man): from at one+-ment , influenced by medieval Latin
adunamentum‘unity’, and earlier one ment from an obsolete verb one‘to
unite’.
Words mean something. IOW One with, as Jesus said, that the Born Again
Believer is one with Him, as He is with the Heavenly Father.
What is so intriguing about this is that in the OT the Blood of the Lamb was
applied to the Ark of the Covenant for the sins of the Nation of Israel. All
representating what Jesus was going to do when He applied His blood to the
Ark of the Covenant in Heaven. (A copy of which was built as designed by God,
to be placed into the Holy of Holies on earth.)
All of these things were purposed by God to restore Man to be one with God as
he was designed and created to be in the Garden of Eden. Yet was broken by
the disobedience of the First Adam. The second Adam, Jesus the Messiah, was
and is the real sacrifice which ’atoned’ for the sins of mankind to
restore us into the position of being one with Jesus and the Heavenly Father,
as they were and are One.
HOW AMAZING IS THAT !!!!
Jesus is eternally self-existent as God. John 1:1 states, "In the
beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was
God." This verse teaches that Jesus (the Word) has always existed as
God and with God from eternity, affirming both His distinct personhood
and divine nature. Believers, however, do not become part of the
Godhead or the eternally self-existing God through their union with
Christ.
Believers become one with Christ and with other believers, not by
merging into the essence of God, but by being brought into intimate
fellowship with Him. This union is relational and covenantal,
reflecting harmony, shared purpose, and participation in God’s life
through Christ. It fulfills Jesus’ prayer in John 17:21: "that they
may all be one, just as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You, that
they also may be in Us."
Union with Christ means believers are incorporated into His body (1
justification, sanctification, and glorification (Romans 8:30).
Through this union, believers receive new life in Christ, share in the
Spirit, and live in obedience to God’s will. However, they do not
attain God's attributes such as omnipotence or self-existence.
Instead, believers experience unity with God in the sense of communion
and shared fellowship. 2 Peter 1:4 explains that believers become
"partakers of the divine nature," not by becoming God but by escaping
the corruption of the world and reflecting God's character. This union
brings transformation into Christlikeness (Romans 8:29) and aligns
believers with God's purposes, but it preserves the Creator-creature
distinction.
Thus, while believers become one with Christ and share fellowship with
God, they remain distinct beings. Their unity with God mirrors
relational oneness rather than ontological unity—the perfect, eternal
unity shared uniquely by the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
In short, believers do not BECOME The Eternally Self-existing GOD when
they are made one in Christ.
[...] Lies of Satan.
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Have you heard the good news Christ died for our sins (†), and God
raised Him from the dead?

That Christ died for our sins shows we're sinners who deserve the death
penalty. That God raised Him from the dead shows Christ's death
satisfied God's righteous demands against our sin (Romans 3:25; 1 John
2:1-2). This means God can now remain just, while forgiving you of your
sins, and saving you from eternal damnation.

On the basis of Christ's death and resurrection for our sins, call on
the name of the Lord to save you: "For 'everyone who calls on the name
of the Lord will be saved.'" (Romans 10:13, ESV)

https://christrose.news/salvation
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And a snip back at cha.

The truth will not be denied or ignored. It is your funeral.

It is all on record for your judgement ahead how you wiped your sinner
ass on the truth.



In the Name of Jesus
--
God is God in all His Being. All the glory is His, for He is all glory.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything, He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free, and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

"The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence or proof is to be found."

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not so that a book could pass
through it for a sinner to play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: a man full of bluster and bullshit in his
meaninglessness pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

"What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence."

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God; God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

"Atheism: "The claim that life received from itself."

"But remember this: always, absolutely always, all the glory is the
Lord's and His alone, and anyone who takes any credit for anything, you
know, instantly, he is not what he pretends to be and is a false prophet."

"That light had to bear (bears all things) the darkness for us, but that
light did not ever become darkness."

"You must reach beyond the bible that tells you about Him, and into your
daily life to find Him in Person. He's there."

"What is wrong with Christendom? False understanding based on compromise."

"It is not in man to love his enemies. And if he tries, he is walking in
a lie and trying to raise himself up to the level of God."

"God has to be quiet now; we have our bible." Well, then, who is going
to speak?
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[...]
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Have you heard the good news Christ died for our sins (†), and God
raised Him from the dead?

That Christ died for our sins shows we're sinners who deserve the death
penalty. That God raised Him from the dead shows Christ's death
satisfied God's righteous demands against our sin (Romans 3:25; 1 John
2:1-2). This means God can now remain just, while forgiving you of your
sins, and saving you from eternal damnation.

On the basis of Christ's death and resurrection for our sins, call on
the name of the Lord to save you: "For 'everyone who calls on the name
of the Lord will be saved.'" (Romans 10:13, ESV)

https://christrose.news/salvation
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atone |əˈtəʊn|. verb [no object]
make amends or reparation:a human sacrifice to atone for the sin.
origin Middle English(originally in the sense ‘make or become united or
reconciled’, rare before the 16th century):from at one in early use; later
by back-formation from atonement.
*
atonement|əˈtəʊnm(ə)nt|.
noun[mass noun].
the action of making amends for a wrong or injury:he submitted his
resignation as an act of atonement.
(in religious contexts) reparation or expiation for sin:an annual ceremony of
confession andatonement forsin.
(the Atonement) Christian theology the reconciliation of God and humankind
through Jesus Christ,
origin;early 16th century(denoting unity or reconciliation, especially
between God and man): from at one+-ment , influenced by medieval Latin
adunamentum‘unity’, and earlier one ment from an obsolete verb one‘to
unite’.
Words mean something. IOW One with, as Jesus said, that the Born Again
Believer is one with Him, as He is with the Heavenly Father.
What is so intriguing about this is that in the OT the Blood of the Lamb was
applied to the Ark of the Covenant for the sins of the Nation of Israel. All
representating what Jesus was going to do when He applied His blood to the
Ark of the Covenant in Heaven. (A copy of which was built as designed by God,
to be placed into the Holy of Holies on earth.)
All of these things were purposed by God to restore Man to be one with God as
he was designed and created to be in the Garden of Eden. Yet was broken by
the disobedience of the First Adam. The second Adam, Jesus the Messiah, was
and is the real sacrifice which ’atoned’ for the sins of mankind to
restore us into the position of being one with Jesus and the Heavenly Father,
as they were and are One.
HOW AMAZING IS THAT !!!!
Jesus is eternally self-existent as God. John 1:1 states, "In the
beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was
God." This verse teaches that Jesus (the Word) has always existed as God
and with God from eternity, affirming both His distinct personhood and
divine nature. Believers, however, do not become part of the Godhead or
the eternally self-existing God through their union with Christ.
“For a child is born to us, and a son is given to us, whose government is
upon his shoulder: and his name is called the Messenger of great counsel: for
I will bring peace upon the princes, and health to him.” (Isa 9:6) Brenton

Jhn 1:1 (KJV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and
the Word was God.

Jhn 1:2 (KJV) The same was in the beginning with God.

Jhn 1:3 (KJV) All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing
made that was made.

How can the Son of God be with the Heavenly Father, sit on a throne at the
right hand of the Heavenly Fathers throne? V2

How can one person be three different persons? Are they a shape shifter?

Three can be a Godhead, a corporate entity in todays terms, and they can all
be at one in total agreement, yet one is the final authority, as a husband is
to the man and woman being one as ordained by God. They are one in Christ as
he is in the Heavenly Father.
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Believers become one with Christ and with other believers, not by
merging into the essence of God, but by being brought into intimate
fellowship with Him. This union is relational and covenantal, reflecting
harmony, shared purpose, and participation in God’s life through Christ.
It fulfills Jesus’ prayer in John 17:21: "that they may all be one, just
as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You, that they also may be in Us."
“Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of
judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.” (1Jn 4:17, KJV)

Physically? No. Spiritually? Yes. Is not the Born Again Man born of the
Heavenly Father?
Is not the Spirit of the Most High God dwelling within the heart/spirit of
man? Yes. Is the heart of the BAM eternal and not of this World? Yes. Are we
not known for before the beginning of this present world? Yes. And the
‘coup de gras’ to all this being in the very same scripture that you
quoted? Yes!

John 17:21: "that they may all be one, just as You, Father, are in Me, and I
in You, that they also may be in Us.”

IOW, we as the body of Christ ’are one’ just like Jesus and His Heavenly
Father 'are one” and the Body of Christ which includes all of those who are
Born Again, are ‘One. In US’.

All man, restored to the position of Adam as He was before the flood, and as
he would have been had he partaken of the ’tree of life’ which will be
upon the Day of Resurrection.

Why do you attempt to belittle the Work of Jesus that He did honoring the
will of His Heavenly Father, and was sent to the Earth to fulfill it? Is not
Jesus the second Adam?

Anyone, and I do mean anyone that attempts to belittle the word of God is not
listening to Him as there is only one opposing force of God and that is of
the evil one.
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Union with Christ means believers are incorporated into His body (1
justification, sanctification, and glorification (Romans 8:30). Through
this union, believers receive new life in Christ, share in the Spirit,
and live in obedience to God’s will. However, they do not attain God's
attributes such as omnipotence or self-existence.
No one attains anything of God by themselves or their works. We are made via
the grace and mercy of the Heavenly Father The righteousness of God Himself
when we become BAM. A New Creation. Old things are passed away. Meaning the
Old Man is Dead. Deader than a doornail. We Now HAVE a Divine nature in
having been made a new creation. A full and driving force with all its
attributes for all who walk in the spirit.

Those who attempt to revive the old carnal nature are living in their carnal
dead self. Seeking to live in the old, while pretending to live or dwell in
spiritual things. Living in the old dead carnal self and reshaping the will
of God to conform to their old dead self, is to dwell in sin. They attempt to
conform the will of God per their self righteous desires having not committed
themselves to God the Father and now place themselves over that of a
’sovereign God’.
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Instead, believers experience unity with God in the sense of communion
and shared fellowship. 2 Peter 1:4 explains that believers become
"partakers of the divine nature," not by becoming God but by escaping
the corruption of the world and reflecting God's character. This union
brings transformation into Christlikeness (Romans 8:29) and aligns
believers with God's purposes, but it preserves the Creator-creature
distinction.
partake | pɑːˈteɪk |

verb (past partook | pɑːˈtʊk |; past participle partaken |
pɑːˈteɪk(ə)n |) [no object]

1 (partake of) formal, or humorous eat or drink (something): he partook of a
well-earned drink | I would be proud to partake of your pecan pie.

2 (partake in) formal, or humorous join in (an activity): visitors can
partake in golfing or clay pigeon shooting.

3 (partake of) formal be characterized by (a quality): the birth of twins
became an event which partook of the mythic.

origin

mid 16th century: back-formation from earlier partaker ‘person who takes a
part’.

IOW be a full part of. Having partook.

Hence, ‘we are’ the righteousness of God. We were ‘enjoined’.

Those who desire their fleshly ways have not committed themselves to God and
still listen to the evil one as having a point of reason.
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Thus, while believers become one with Christ and share fellowship with
God, they remain distinct beings. Their unity with God mirrors
relational oneness rather than ontological unity—the perfect, eternal
unity shared uniquely by the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
“If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he
that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he
hath not seen? And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God
love his brother also.” (1Jn 4:20-21, KJV)

1 John 2:9(KJV) He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is
in darkness even until now.
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In short, believers do not BECOME The Eternally Self-existing GOD when
they are made one in Christ.
Where s any scripture saying that will not be? In the future will we not live
and reign with Him?
2Ti 2:12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we denyhim, he also
will deny us:

Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on
such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of
Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

We will not be greater than the Heavenly Father, yet we will be greater than
the angels. Plus be brothers with Jesus The Messiah.

I write these things to counteract your distortions and downplaying of the
truth of God. That you do not fully accept the Word of God is obvious by
attributing the current works of God the Father through men, by His Spirit as
He did in the early days, to the works of the evil one. Thus also denying the
power of God and proclaiming the ceasing of the works of God and that the
works of Satan yet prevail. And in fact Insisting these things before all
men, even to the point of referencing these things in the Web site you
proudly publish to, yet desire to remain anonymous while taking His Position
as your nym.

And lastly, but yet a very important truth.

Mrk 13:34 (KJV) For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left
his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and
commanded the porter to watch.

Mrk 13:35 (KJV) Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the
house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the
morning:

Mrk 13:36 (KJV) Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.

Mrk 13:37 (KJV) And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.

Hence these words of the Lord.

“Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to
escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son
of man.” (Luk 21:36, KJV)

So Be It.

***********************************

The power to belittle the Word of God, and or His gifts given to man, has
been given to no man.

MM, being as you replied and left his remarks here, it was necessary for me
to correct his false teachings with the truth of Gods words.
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Yes, they do. Family is family and is eternal self-existent Oneness in
and of God.
And this was explained to me by the Holy Spirit...
"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."
You see, it is about the nature and glory of God. He is a "withhold
nothing" God whose love is all inclusive.
Eph 3:20 Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all
that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,
The power of what?
You need to have faith in God and lean not on your own sinner
understanding. You are your own very bad enemy.
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All messages with alt.atheism in the headers are now filterd out beginning
10/19.So posting to aa will in effect filter all your messages from being
read by me. Thus you are KF'ing yourself. VBG
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atone |əˈtəʊn|. verb [no object]
make amends or reparation:a human sacrifice to atone for the sin.
origin Middle English(originally in the sense ‘make or become united or
reconciled’, rare before the 16th century):from at one in early use;
later
by back-formation from atonement.
*
atonement|əˈtəʊnm(ə)nt|.
noun[mass noun].
the action of making amends for a wrong or injury:he submitted his
resignation as an act of atonement.
(in religious contexts) reparation or expiation for sin:an annual
ceremony of
confession andatonement forsin.
(the Atonement) Christian theology the reconciliation of God and humankind
through Jesus Christ,
origin;early 16th century(denoting unity or reconciliation, especially
between God and man): from at one+-ment , influenced by medieval Latin
adunamentum‘unity’, and earlier one ment from an obsolete verb one‘to
unite’.
Words mean something. IOW One with, as Jesus said, that the Born Again
Believer is one with Him, as He is with the Heavenly Father.
What is so intriguing about this is that in the OT the Blood of the
Lamb was
applied to the Ark of the Covenant for the sins of the Nation of
Israel. All
representating what Jesus was going to do when He applied His blood to the
Ark of the Covenant in Heaven. (A copy of which was built as designed
by God,
to be placed into the Holy of Holies on earth.)
All of these things were purposed by God to restore Man to be one with
God as
he was designed and created to be in the Garden of Eden. Yet was broken by
the disobedience of the First Adam. The second Adam, Jesus the Messiah, was
and is the real sacrifice which ’atoned’ for the sins of mankind to
restore us into the position of being one with Jesus and the Heavenly
Father,
as they were and are One.
HOW AMAZING IS THAT !!!!
Jesus is eternally self-existent as God. John 1:1 states, "In the
beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was
God." This verse teaches that Jesus (the Word) has always existed as God
and with God from eternity, affirming both His distinct personhood and
divine nature. Believers, however, do not become part of the Godhead or
the eternally self-existing God through their union with Christ.
“For a child is born to us, and a son is given to us, whose government is
upon his shoulder: and his name is called the Messenger of great counsel: for
I will bring peace upon the princes, and health to him.” (Isa 9:6) Brenton
Dare I say, you need the Hebrew translation of Isaiah 9:6.
I did, the one they translated from Hebrew into the Greek of that day.
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Jhn 1:1 (KJV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and
the Word was God.
Jhn 1:2 (KJV) The same was in the beginning with God.
Jhn 1:3 (KJV) All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing
made that was made.
How can the Son of God be with the Heavenly Father, sit on a throne at the
right hand of the Heavenly Fathers throne? V2
One Spirit. Mankind naturally looks at God and tries to reason Him into
physical terms. It won't and can't work.
That is correct, so read the scripture as quoted and what did is say in V2?
The Lord Jesus is the Father because they are One Spirit, One Lord, and
that as they say is that.
“As Jesus is, so are we in this present world”
Why did the Heavenly Father withdraw His spirit from Jesus while he was on
the Cross?
Why did his Heavenly Father proudly proclaim Jesus as His Son, from the skies
so that all could hear?
Why didn’t Jesus tell John the Baptist about his being anointed by the Holy
Spirit of God the Father, face to face if he was the Heavenly Father?

And If God the Father gave us His Glory, His power, to be born as Jesus, who
then was the ruler of ALL Heaven?
Why then did Jesus, after he was resurrected tell Mary I go to see My God and
Your God?

Who was the ‘US’, in “let us make man in ‘our’ image?

Is it necessary that the Holy Spirit repeat all that resides in Scripture to
your in order for you to believe them?

Instead of making a ‘god’ out of the Bible, why not read it for what its,
and for the reasons that it gives, and do as Jesus did, show his disciples
the truth of scriptures, and where he was to be found in them.
The Lord Jesus Christ was always and is always perfect; only God is the
source of perfection.
Yet the words Jesus spoke were the words of His Father, he stated clearly
that these were not His own personal words. Yes, Jesus was sinless. From
birth and throughout his life. At his death he became ’sin’ for us. Him
who knew no sin, in order to pay the price, the ransom price for all who will
believe.

“For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be
made the righteousness of God in him.” (2Co 5:21, KJV)

Think about it, throughout the history of Man a Lamb was sacrificed for sin.
Not just any lamb, but one that was perfect and without a flaw. The prime of
the prime.

Jesus was the “lamb of God that taketh away all the sin”

“The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb
of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.” (Jhn 1:29, KJV)

Why are you beholden to the doctrine of the trinity as propagated by the RCC?
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How can one person be three different persons? Are they a shape shifter?
One Spirit. Remember, post the fall the only reason we got a Son of God
in the flesh is because God had to place separation in Himself (make a
way) in order to bring His children back to and into Him.
Jesus was not born without a spirit. Man was created with a body soul and
spirit. We all propagated after our own kind. Which we were created to do and
be. We are to worship God the Father and pray to Him. Not to Jesus. (Which is
hard to do solely, as Jesus Christ was our redeemer.) Yet we are commanded to
do so, and Jesus gave us the reasoning behind that in the scripture.

Mankind is not the children of God, for they follow another.
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Three can be a Godhead, a corporate entity in todays terms, and they can all
be at one in total agreement, yet one is the final authority, as a husband is
to the man and woman being one as ordained by God. They are one in Christ as
he is in the Heavenly Father.
You can't contain God in physical terms or material terms; if you could,
you would be greater than God.
Of course not. Only a fool would declare that he could.
He is One Spirit; Father and Son are God, One and the Same, One Holy
Spirit. God is everywhere and in everything; the Father as we see Him
and the Son as we see Him; both are God. There is only One God.
Cam you define nor understand ‘one’ as spoken in the scriptures.
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Believers become one with Christ and with other believers, not by
merging into the essence of God, but by being brought into intimate
fellowship with Him. This union is relational and covenantal, reflecting
harmony, shared purpose, and participation in God’s life through Christ.
It fulfills Jesus’ prayer in John 17:21: "that they may all be one, just
as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You, that they also may be in Us."
“Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of
judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.” (1Jn 4:17, KJV)
Physically? No. Spiritually? Yes. Is not the Born Again Man born of the
Heavenly Father?
I stated something the other day which surprised me, and I am yet to
revisit and meditate further on.
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In short, believers do not BECOME The Eternally Self-existing GOD
when > they are made one in Christ.
And my reply to our rosie Rosie...
Yes, they do. Family is family and is eternal self-existent Oneness in
and of God.
And this was explained to me by the Holy Spirit...
"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."
You see, it is about the nature and glory of God. He is a "withhold
nothing" God whose love is all inclusive.
Eph 3:20 Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all
that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,
The power of what?
The Holy Spirt, who dwells within the Spirit of Born Again Man.
You need to have faith in God and lean not on your own sinner
understanding. You are your own very bad enemy.
As I told you before, and recently, I learned that and started practicing
that many decades ago, whether you believe me or not.
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Is not the Spirit of the Most High God dwelling within the heart/spirit of
man? Yes. Is the heart of the BAM eternal and not of this World? Yes. Are we
not known for before the beginning of this present world? Yes. And the
‘coup de gras’ to all this being in the very same scripture that you
quoted? Yes!
John 17:21: "that they may all be one, just as You, Father, are in Me, and I
in You, that they also may be in Us.”
IOW, we as the body of Christ ’are one’ just like Jesus and His Heavenly
Father 'are one” and the Body of Christ which includes all of those who are
Born Again, are ‘One. In US’.
All man, restored to the position of Adam as He was before the flood, and as
he would have been had he partaken of the ’tree of life’ which will be
upon the Day of Resurrection.
Why do you attempt to belittle the Work of Jesus that He did honoring the
will of His Heavenly Father, and was sent to the Earth to fulfill it? Is not
Jesus the second Adam?
Anyone, and I do mean anyone that attempts to belittle the word of God is not
listening to Him as there is only one opposing force of God and that is of
the evil one.
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Union with Christ means believers are incorporated into His body (1
justification, sanctification, and glorification (Romans 8:30). Through
this union, believers receive new life in Christ, share in the Spirit,
and live in obedience to God’s will. However, they do not attain God's
attributes such as omnipotence or self-existence.
No one attains anything of God by themselves or their works. We are made via
the grace and mercy of the Heavenly Father The righteousness of God Himself
when we become BAM. A New Creation. Old things are passed away. Meaning the
Old Man is Dead. Deader than a doornail. We Now HAVE a Divine nature in
having been made a new creation. A full and driving force with all its
attributes for all who walk in the spirit.
Those who attempt to revive the old carnal nature are living in their carnal
dead self. Seeking to live in the old, while pretending to live or dwell in
spiritual things. Living in the old dead carnal self and reshaping the will
of God to conform to their old dead self, is to dwell in sin. They attempt to
conform the will of God per their self righteous desires having not committed
themselves to God the Father and now place themselves over that of a
’sovereign God’.
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Post by Christ Rose
Instead, believers experience unity with God in the sense of communion
and shared fellowship. 2 Peter 1:4 explains that believers become
"partakers of the divine nature," not by becoming God but by escaping
the corruption of the world and reflecting God's character. This union
brings transformation into Christlikeness (Romans 8:29) and aligns
believers with God's purposes, but it preserves the Creator-creature
distinction.
partake | pɑːˈteɪk |
verb (past partook | pɑːˈtʊk |; past participle partaken |
pɑːˈteɪk(ə)n |) [no object]
1 (partake of) formal, or humorous eat or drink (something): he partook of a
well-earned drink | I would be proud to partake of your pecan pie.
2 (partake in) formal, or humorous join in (an activity): visitors can
partake in golfing or clay pigeon shooting.
3 (partake of) formal be characterized by (a quality): the birth of twins
became an event which partook of the mythic.
origin
mid 16th century: back-formation from earlier partaker ‘person who takes a
part’.
IOW be a full part of. Having partook.
Hence, ‘we are’ the righteousness of God. We were ‘enjoined’.
Those who desire their fleshly ways have not committed themselves to God and
still listen to the evil one as having a point of reason.
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Thus, while believers become one with Christ and share fellowship with
God, they remain distinct beings. Their unity with God mirrors
relational oneness rather than ontological unity—the perfect, eternal
unity shared uniquely by the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
“If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he
that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he
hath not seen? And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God
love his brother also.” (1Jn 4:20-21, KJV)
1 John 2:9(KJV) He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is
in darkness even until now.
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Post by Christ Rose
In short, believers do not BECOME The Eternally Self-existing GOD when
they are made one in Christ.
Where s any scripture saying that will not be? In the future will we not live
and reign with Him?
2Ti 2:12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we denyhim, he also
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on
such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of
Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
We will not be greater than the Heavenly Father, yet we will be greater than
the angels. Plus be brothers with Jesus The Messiah.
I write these things to counteract your distortions and downplaying of the
truth of God. That you do not fully accept the Word of God is obvious by
attributing the current works of God the Father through men, by His Spirit as
He did in the early days, to the works of the evil one. Thus also denying the
power of God and proclaiming the ceasing of the works of God and that the
works of Satan yet prevail. And in fact Insisting these things before all
men, even to the point of referencing these things in the Web site you
proudly publish to, yet desire to remain anonymous while taking His Position
as your nym.
And lastly, but yet a very important truth.
Mrk 13:34 (KJV) For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left
his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and
commanded the porter to watch.
Mrk 13:35 (KJV) Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the
house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the
Mrk 13:36 (KJV) Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.
Mrk 13:37 (KJV) And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.
Hence these words of the Lord.
“Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to
escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son
of man.” (Luk 21:36, KJV)
So Be It.
***********************************
The power to belittle the Word of God, and or His gifts given to man, has
been given to no man.
MM, being as you replied and left his remarks here, it was necessary for me
to correct his false teachings with the truth of Gods words.
-). Okay. However it may not all be about just that.
So please, try to think about what I said.
My replies are not knee Jerk reactions.
It can only prosper.
In the Name of Jesus
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Yes, they do. Family is family and is eternal self-existent Oneness in
and of God.
And this was explained to me by the Holy Spirit...
"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."
You see, it is about the nature and glory of God. He is a "withhold
nothing" God whose love is all inclusive.
Eph 3:20 Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all
that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,
The power of what?
You need to have faith in God and lean not on your own sinner
understanding. You are your own very bad enemy.
In the Name of Jesus
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atone |əˈtəʊn|. verb [no object]
make amends or reparation:a human sacrifice to atone for the sin.
origin Middle English(originally in the sense ‘make or become united or
reconciled’, rare before the 16th century):from at one in early use; later
by back-formation from atonement.
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atonement|əˈtəʊnm(ə)nt|.
noun[mass noun].
the action of making amends for a wrong or injury:he submitted his
resignation as an act of atonement.
(in religious contexts) reparation or expiation for sin:an annual ceremony of
confession andatonement forsin.
(the Atonement) Christian theology the reconciliation of God and humankind
through Jesus Christ,
origin;early 16th century(denoting unity or reconciliation, especially
between God and man): from at one+-ment , influenced by medieval Latin
adunamentum‘unity’, and earlier one ment from an obsolete verb one‘to
unite’.
Words mean something. IOW One with, as Jesus said, that the Born Again
Believer is one with Him, as He is with the Heavenly Father.
What is so intriguing about this is that in the OT the Blood of the Lamb was
applied to the Ark of the Covenant for the sins of the Nation of Israel. All
representating what Jesus was going to do when He applied His blood to the
Ark of the Covenant in Heaven. (A copy of which was built as designed by God,
to be placed into the Holy of Holies on earth.)
All of these things were purposed by God to restore Man to be one with God as
he was designed and created to be in the Garden of Eden. Yet was broken by
the disobedience of the First Adam. The second Adam, Jesus the Messiah, was
and is the real sacrifice which ’atoned’ for the sins of mankind to
restore us into the position of being one with Jesus and the Heavenly Father,
as they were and are One.
HOW AMAZING IS THAT !!!!
Jesus is eternally self-existent as God. John 1:1 states, "In the
beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was
God." This verse teaches that Jesus (the Word) has always existed as God
and with God from eternity, affirming both His distinct personhood and
divine nature. Believers, however, do not become part of the Godhead or
the eternally self-existing God through their union with Christ.
“For a child is born to us, and a son is given to us, whose government is
upon his shoulder: and his name is called the Messenger of great counsel: for
I will bring peace upon the princes, and health to him.” (Isa 9:6) Brenton
Dare I say, you need the Hebrew translation of Isaiah 9:6.
I did, the one they translated from Hebrew into the Greek of that day.
He might have thought he did. :-).
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Jhn 1:1 (KJV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and
the Word was God.
Jhn 1:2 (KJV) The same was in the beginning with God.
Jhn 1:3 (KJV) All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing
made that was made.
How can the Son of God be with the Heavenly Father, sit on a throne at the
right hand of the Heavenly Fathers throne? V2
One Spirit. Mankind naturally looks at God and tries to reason Him into
physical terms. It won't and can't work.
That is correct, so read the scripture as quoted and what did is say in V2?
Yep, I did, "The same was in the beginning with God."

I don't think we are on the same page, though.
Post by Robert
The Lord Jesus is the Father because they are One Spirit, One Lord, and
that as they say is that.
“As Jesus is, so are we in this present world”
That is true, but good luck with the religious institutions with that if
you go all the way with that.
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Why did the Heavenly Father withdraw His spirit from Jesus while he was on
the Cross?
He didn't.

The Lord Jesus didn't change; He is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
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Why did his Heavenly Father proudly proclaim Jesus as His Son, from the skies
so that all could hear?
There is only One God, Robert, only ever been One God. It was explained,
God placed separation in Himself, both sides of the veil...God.
Post by Robert
Why didn’t Jesus tell John the Baptist about his being anointed by the Holy
Spirit of God the Father, face to face if he was the Heavenly Father?
Have you the exhaustive mind of God?

As was said, you can't bring God down to a material calculation. "One
Spirit. Mankind naturally looks at God and tries to reason Him into
physical terms. It won't and can't work."

This is a preeminent theme in the verse I have been quoting lately...

Pro 3:5  Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine
own understanding.

If you could bring down God to a mental concept capable of being
captured by the human mind, it wouldn't be of faith.
Post by Robert
And If God the Father gave us His Glory, His power, to be born as Jesus, who
then was the ruler of ALL Heaven?
As above.

Is there only One God? And is the Lord Jesus God? I would hope you would
say yes to both questions.

They are One Spirit, One Lord, and One God, but God placed separation in
Himself to allow us to become One with Him. Think of the Red Sea
parting, One Sea, but God opened the way for the Israelites, but at no
point did it ever change from being One Red Sea.
Post by Robert
Why then did Jesus, after he was resurrected tell Mary I go to see My God and
Your God?
You are too caught up in the materialism, in the idea you can contain
God in your mind.

The Red Sea was simply coming back together.
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Who was the ‘US’, in “let us make man in ‘our’ image?
One God. You are trying to capture God in material terms; you can't, it
is impossible because He is more than material terms. Why do you need
the scriptures to mean what you want them to mean to walk with God?

Was there two Gods in the garden with Adam and Eve?
Post by Robert
Is it necessary that the Holy Spirit repeat all that resides in Scripture to
your in order for you to believe them?
Perhaps you don't, as yet, have the understanding the Lord would have
you have?
Post by Robert
Instead of making a ‘god’ out of the Bible, why not read it for what its,
and for the reasons that it gives, and do as Jesus did, show his disciples
the truth of scriptures, and where he was to be found in them.
There is so much more to say but I have already said, many times, enough
for you to grasp and understand if you were willing.

You are not interacting with me as you see me, Robert, you are
interacting with the Lord.

That is what Paul was saying when he said, "Be followers of me."

Paul was merely a vessel; all the glory is the Lord's.
Post by Robert
The Lord Jesus Christ was always and is always perfect; only God is the
source of perfection.
Yet the words Jesus spoke were the words of His Father, he stated clearly
that these were not His own personal words. Yes, Jesus was sinless. From
birth and throughout his life. At his death he became ’sin’ for us.
If you mean He turned dirty then you have said a very bad thing. For
one, He is always was, is, and will be forever what He has always been.
Or to say it another way, a spotless lamb doesn't become spotted when it
is being slaughtered for the sins of slaughters.
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Him
who knew no sin, in order to pay the price, the ransom price for all who will
believe.
“For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be
made the righteousness of God in him.” (2Co 5:21, KJV)
It means He was was "made" to be sin for us, not that he was made sin.
If I say to the judge, I will take the death penalty for that man's
murder, that does not make my personhood a murderer. Yes, I pay the
price for the sin, but that does not make me a murderer!

You said yourself, "Jesus was sinless." He was, is, and always will be.
Post by Robert
Think about it, throughout the history of Man a Lamb was sacrificed for sin.
Not just any lamb, but one that was perfect and without a flaw. The prime of
the prime.
And His character, His being did not change.
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Jesus was the “lamb of God that taketh away all the sin”
Amen. Spotless, pure, holy, and not act of man ever made Him otherwise.
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“The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb
of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.” (Jhn 1:29, KJV)
How did He do that?
Post by Robert
Why are you beholden to the doctrine of the trinity as propagated by the RCC?
Don't go off the reservation, Robert, if you do, it'll end the discussion.
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How can one person be three different persons? Are they a shape shifter?
One Spirit. Remember, post the fall the only reason we got a Son of God
in the flesh is because God had to place separation in Himself (make a
way) in order to bring His children back to and into Him.
Jesus was not born without a spirit. Man was created with a body soul and
spirit. We all propagated after our own kind. Which we were created to do and
be. We are to worship God the Father and pray to Him. Not to Jesus. (Which is
hard to do solely, as Jesus Christ was our redeemer.) Yet we are commanded to
do so, and Jesus gave us the reasoning behind that in the scripture.
There is no problem if you believe in One God.

I always pray to the Lord because...that is the way God chose to
identify and identifies with us; God with us. Thomas didn't have a
problem being in obeisance to the Lord Jesus because He SAW God before
Him, the One God. It is not about material terms, but spiritual reality.

But if you want to see with the eyes of facts and bible doctrine
(ChristRose modus operandi) you won't be able to see with the eyes of
faith, which incidentally, is the only way to see God.
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Mankind is not the children of God, for they follow another.
Post by Robert
Three can be a Godhead, a corporate entity in todays terms, and they can all
be at one in total agreement, yet one is the final authority, as a husband is
to the man and woman being one as ordained by God. They are one in Christ as
he is in the Heavenly Father.
You can't contain God in physical terms or material terms; if you could,
you would be greater than God.
Of course not. Only a fool would declare that he could.
It is not what a man declares in his material world, but what he
does...in the Spirit.
Post by Robert
He is One Spirit; Father and Son are God, One and the Same, One Holy
Spirit. God is everywhere and in everything; the Father as we see Him
and the Son as we see Him; both are God. There is only One God.
Cam you define nor understand ‘one’ as spoken in the scriptures.
?
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Believers become one with Christ and with other believers, not by
merging into the essence of God, but by being brought into intimate
fellowship with Him. This union is relational and covenantal, reflecting
harmony, shared purpose, and participation in God’s life through Christ.
It fulfills Jesus’ prayer in John 17:21: "that they may all be one, just
as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You, that they also may be in Us."
“Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of
judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.” (1Jn 4:17, KJV)
Physically? No. Spiritually? Yes. Is not the Born Again Man born of the
Heavenly Father?
I stated something the other day which surprised me, and I am yet to
revisit and meditate further on.
Post by Robert
In short, believers do not BECOME The Eternally Self-existing GOD
when > they are made one in Christ.
And my reply to our rosie Rosie...
Yes, they do. Family is family and is eternal self-existent Oneness in
and of God.
And this was explained to me by the Holy Spirit...
"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."
You see, it is about the nature and glory of God. He is a "withhold
nothing" God whose love is all inclusive.
Eph 3:20 Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all
that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,
The power of what?
The Holy Spirt, who dwells within the Spirit of Born Again Man.
Now, what would you think if I said to you, since a son is immersed (in
the vine) in God that he is actually the full expression of the Holy
Spirit since the Lord Jesus is his Lord?

Here you go...

1Jn_4:17  Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in
the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.

"Family is family and is eternal self-existent Oneness in and of God.

Boldness! How can a sinner have boldness?

He can't.
Post by Robert
You need to have faith in God and lean not on your own sinner
understanding. You are your own very bad enemy.
As I told you before, and recently, I learned that and started practicing
that many decades ago, whether you believe me or not.
That was to ChristRosie the sinless sinner christian.

Also, it may be that you don't put it into practice because it is
inherent and you can't be any other way. Of course a man can think any
number of ways, but where the rubber meets the road, the bottom line,
his action is faith (leaning not on one's own understanding). One cannot
be in God and be your own Lord at any point.
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Is not the Spirit of the Most High God dwelling within the heart/spirit of
man? Yes. Is the heart of the BAM eternal and not of this World? Yes. Are we
not known for before the beginning of this present world? Yes. And the
‘coup de gras’ to all this being in the very same scripture that you
quoted? Yes!
John 17:21: "that they may all be one, just as You, Father, are in Me, and I
in You, that they also may be in Us.”
IOW, we as the body of Christ ’are one’ just like Jesus and His Heavenly
Father 'are one” and the Body of Christ which includes all of those who are
Born Again, are ‘One. In US’.
All man, restored to the position of Adam as He was before the flood, and as
he would have been had he partaken of the ’tree of life’ which will be
upon the Day of Resurrection.
Why do you attempt to belittle the Work of Jesus that He did honoring the
will of His Heavenly Father, and was sent to the Earth to fulfill it? Is not
Jesus the second Adam?
Anyone, and I do mean anyone that attempts to belittle the word of God is not
listening to Him as there is only one opposing force of God and that is of
the evil one.
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Post by Christ Rose
Union with Christ means believers are incorporated into His body (1
justification, sanctification, and glorification (Romans 8:30). Through
this union, believers receive new life in Christ, share in the Spirit,
and live in obedience to God’s will. However, they do not attain God's
attributes such as omnipotence or self-existence.
No one attains anything of God by themselves or their works. We are made via
the grace and mercy of the Heavenly Father The righteousness of God Himself
when we become BAM. A New Creation. Old things are passed away. Meaning the
Old Man is Dead. Deader than a doornail. We Now HAVE a Divine nature in
having been made a new creation. A full and driving force with all its
attributes for all who walk in the spirit.
Those who attempt to revive the old carnal nature are living in their carnal
dead self. Seeking to live in the old, while pretending to live or dwell in
spiritual things. Living in the old dead carnal self and reshaping the will
of God to conform to their old dead self, is to dwell in sin. They attempt to
conform the will of God per their self righteous desires having not committed
themselves to God the Father and now place themselves over that of a
’sovereign God’.
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Post by Christ Rose
Instead, believers experience unity with God in the sense of communion
and shared fellowship. 2 Peter 1:4 explains that believers become
"partakers of the divine nature," not by becoming God but by escaping
the corruption of the world and reflecting God's character. This union
brings transformation into Christlikeness (Romans 8:29) and aligns
believers with God's purposes, but it preserves the Creator-creature
distinction.
partake | pɑːˈteɪk |
verb (past partook | pɑːˈtʊk |; past participle partaken |
pɑːˈteɪk(ə)n |) [no object]
1 (partake of) formal, or humorous eat or drink (something): he partook of a
well-earned drink | I would be proud to partake of your pecan pie.
2 (partake in) formal, or humorous join in (an activity): visitors can
partake in golfing or clay pigeon shooting.
3 (partake of) formal be characterized by (a quality): the birth of twins
became an event which partook of the mythic.
origin
mid 16th century: back-formation from earlier partaker ‘person who takes a
part’.
IOW be a full part of. Having partook.
Hence, ‘we are’ the righteousness of God. We were ‘enjoined’.
Those who desire their fleshly ways have not committed themselves to God and
still listen to the evil one as having a point of reason.
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Post by Christ Rose
Thus, while believers become one with Christ and share fellowship with
God, they remain distinct beings. Their unity with God mirrors
relational oneness rather than ontological unity—the perfect, eternal
unity shared uniquely by the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
“If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he
that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he
hath not seen? And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God
love his brother also.” (1Jn 4:20-21, KJV)
1 John 2:9(KJV) He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is
in darkness even until now.
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Post by Christ Rose
In short, believers do not BECOME The Eternally Self-existing GOD when
they are made one in Christ.
Where s any scripture saying that will not be? In the future will we not live
and reign with Him?
2Ti 2:12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we denyhim, he also
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on
such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of
Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
We will not be greater than the Heavenly Father, yet we will be greater than
the angels. Plus be brothers with Jesus The Messiah.
I write these things to counteract your distortions and downplaying of the
truth of God. That you do not fully accept the Word of God is obvious by
attributing the current works of God the Father through men, by His Spirit as
He did in the early days, to the works of the evil one. Thus also denying the
power of God and proclaiming the ceasing of the works of God and that the
works of Satan yet prevail. And in fact Insisting these things before all
men, even to the point of referencing these things in the Web site you
proudly publish to, yet desire to remain anonymous while taking His Position
as your nym.
And lastly, but yet a very important truth.
Mrk 13:34 (KJV) For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left
his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and
commanded the porter to watch.
Mrk 13:35 (KJV) Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the
house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the
Mrk 13:36 (KJV) Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.
Mrk 13:37 (KJV) And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.
Hence these words of the Lord.
“Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to
escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son
of man.” (Luk 21:36, KJV)
So Be It.
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The power to belittle the Word of God, and or His gifts given to man, has
been given to no man.
MM, being as you replied and left his remarks here, it was necessary for me
to correct his false teachings with the truth of Gods words.
-). Okay. However it may not all be about just that.
So please, try to think about what I said.
My replies are not knee Jerk reactions.
Maybe, but who told you that?





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Yes, they do. Family is family and is eternal self-existent Oneness in
and of God.
And this was explained to me by the Holy Spirit...
"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."
You see, it is about the nature and glory of God. He is a "withhold
nothing" God whose love is all inclusive.
Eph 3:20 Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all
that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,
The power of what?
You need to have faith in God and lean not on your own sinner
understanding. You are your own very bad enemy.
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God is God in all His Being. All the glory is His, for He is all glory.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything, He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free, and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

"The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence or proof is to be found."

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not so that a book could pass
through it for a sinner to play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: a man full of bluster and bullshit in his
meaninglessness pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

"What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence."

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God; God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

"Atheism: "The claim that life received from itself."

"But remember this: always, absolutely always, all the glory is the
Lord's and His alone, and anyone who takes any credit for anything, you
know, instantly, he is not what he pretends to be and is a false prophet."

"That light had to bear (bears all things) the darkness for us, but that
light did not ever become darkness."

"You must reach beyond the bible that tells you about Him, and into your
daily life to find Him in Person. He's there."

"What is wrong with Christendom? False understanding based on compromise."

"It is not in man to love his enemies. And if he tries, he is walking in
a lie and trying to raise himself up to the level of God."

"God has to be quiet now; we have our bible." Well, then, who is going
to speak?
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atone |əˈtəʊn|. verb [no object]
make amends or reparation:a human sacrifice to atone for the sin.
origin Middle English(originally in the sense ‘make or become united
or
reconciled’, rare before the 16th century):from at one in early use;
later
by back-formation from atonement.
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atonement|əˈtəʊnm(ə)nt|.
noun[mass noun].
the action of making amends for a wrong or injury:he submitted his
resignation as an act of atonement.
(in religious contexts) reparation or expiation for sin:an annual
ceremony of
confession andatonement forsin.
(the Atonement) Christian theology the reconciliation of God and
humankind
through Jesus Christ,
origin;early 16th century(denoting unity or reconciliation, especially
between God and man): from at one+-ment , influenced by medieval Latin
adunamentum‘unity’, and earlier one ment from an obsolete verb
one‘to
unite’.
Words mean something. IOW One with, as Jesus said, that the Born Again
Believer is one with Him, as He is with the Heavenly Father.
What is so intriguing about this is that in the OT the Blood of the
Lamb was
applied to the Ark of the Covenant for the sins of the Nation of
Israel. All
representating what Jesus was going to do when He applied His blood to
the
Ark of the Covenant in Heaven. (A copy of which was built as designed
by God,
to be placed into the Holy of Holies on earth.)
All of these things were purposed by God to restore Man to be one with
God as
he was designed and created to be in the Garden of Eden. Yet was
broken by
the disobedience of the First Adam. The second Adam, Jesus the
Messiah, was
and is the real sacrifice which ’atoned’ for the sins of mankind to
restore us into the position of being one with Jesus and the Heavenly
Father,
as they were and are One.
HOW AMAZING IS THAT !!!!
Jesus is eternally self-existent as God. John 1:1 states, "In the
beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was
God." This verse teaches that Jesus (the Word) has always existed as God
and with God from eternity, affirming both His distinct personhood and
divine nature. Believers, however, do not become part of the Godhead or
the eternally self-existing God through their union with Christ.
“For a child is born to us, and a son is given to us, whose government is
upon his shoulder: and his name is called the Messenger of great counsel: for
I will bring peace upon the princes, and health to him.” (Isa 9:6) Brenton
Dare I say, you need the Hebrew translation of Isaiah 9:6.
I did, the one they translated from Hebrew into the Greek of that day.
He might have thought he did. :-).
There were 70 priests involved, the faithfully followed the rules for making
a copy of the original scriptures, but applied it to the translations from
Hebrew into koine Greek. This was well before the Masoretic texts which are
known to not be nearly as thorough, as well as anti Jesus.
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Jhn 1:1 (KJV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,
and the Word was God.
Jhn 1:2 (KJV) The same was in the beginning with God.
Jhn 1:3 (KJV) All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing
made that was made.
How can the Son of God be with the Heavenly Father, sit on a throne at the
right hand of the Heavenly Fathers throne? V2
One Spirit. Mankind naturally looks at God and tries to reason Him into
physical terms. It won't and can't work.
That is correct, so read the scripture as quoted and what did is say in V2?
Yep, I did, "The same was in the beginning with God."
I don't think we are on the same page, though.
Obviously, maybe a rewrite might help you/

V2 The (Word of God/Jesus)same was in the beginning with God. Or as the AMPC
puts it, He was present originally with God.
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The Lord Jesus is the Father because they are One Spirit, One Lord, and
that as they say is that.
“As Jesus is, so are we in this present world”
That is true, but good luck with the religious institutions with that if
you go all the way with that.
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Why did the Heavenly Father withdraw His spirit from Jesus while he was on
the Cross?
He didn't.
“And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying,Eli, Eli,
lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken
me?” (Mat 27:46, KJV)
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The Lord Jesus didn't change; He is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
Jesus had given up his former glory and power to be born as man. So that he
was subject to the same trials as is man. He grew as man did, in knowledge
and wisdom, was well known in his area as a carpenter. Until it was his time
for ministry as a mature man, which at that time the custom was around 30 or
so years old, Not the 21 or 18 as is commonly accepted in the USA. At that
time he was baptized by JtB and after he came out of the water He was
baptized with the Holy Ghost thus empowered by God to do the works of God and
speak as His Heavenly Father desired. Then after his resurrection he was
restored to His former Glory, which he sorely missed and desired, and had
also asked His Father if they disciples could see that glory on at least one
occasion, which is now called His Transfiguration on the Mount of Olives.
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Why did his Heavenly Father proudly proclaim Jesus as His Son, from the
skies so that all could hear?
There is only One God, Robert, only ever been One God. It was explained,
God placed separation in Himself, both sides of the veil...God.
One as in Unity. The Godhead. If there were only one being called God, and no
‘us’ as is stated in the Bible, then God could not keep a secret from
himself, such as when it is time for Christ to come for his body of
believers. It would also mean that Jesus was a ventriloquist and threw his
voice into the clouds to say, “this is my well beloved Son, hear ye him”
which is contrary to his statements regarding “that I can do nothing of
myself” and also his statements regarding defending himself and proving
himself as God before the men of his time.

“I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is
just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath
sent me. If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true. There is
another that beareth witness of me; and I know that the witness which he
witnesseth of me is true.” (Jhn 5:30-32, KJV)
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Why didn’t Jesus tell John the Baptist about his being anointed by the
Holy Spirit of God the Father, face to face if he was the Heavenly Father?
Have you the exhaustive mind of God?
As was said, you can't bring God down to a material calculation. "One
Spirit. Mankind naturally looks at God and tries to reason Him into
physical terms. It won't and can't work."
This is a preeminent theme in the verse I have been quoting lately...
Pro 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine
own understanding.
If you could bring down God to a mental concept capable of being
captured by the human mind, it wouldn't be of faith.
Yet as a believer this is true,... “But the natural man receiveth not the
things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can
he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. But he that is
spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. For who
hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the
mind of Christ.” (1Co 2:14-16, KJV)

This addresses all that you stated above, but the correct way, which is the
reality of the believer in Jesus the Christ.
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And If God the Father gave us His Glory, His power, to be born as Jesus, who
then was the ruler of ALL Heaven?
As above.
Is there only One God? And is the Lord Jesus God? I would hope you would
say yes to both questions.
If I did I would not be true to the word of God. They are ‘as one’.
Unified. Like a husband and wife are ‘one’. And that is what the word of
God speaks to their relationship, yet the Husband is the one in authority or
the ‘head’ of the family. And Yes, this is established by God. It is
indeed His understanding and specified as such.
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They are One Spirit, One Lord, and One God, but God placed separation in
Himself to allow us to become One with Him. Think of the Red Sea
parting, One Sea, but God opened the way for the Israelites, but at no
point did it ever change from being One Red Sea.
That is what you call human understanding, for which you criticize me if I do
so. And to cover what you missed here, there was dry land between the two,
thus separating the waters. The barrier was in place as real and fixed as if
their was a mountain separating the two waters.
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Why then did Jesus, after he was resurrected tell Mary I go to see My God
and Your God?
You are too caught up in the materialism, in the idea you can contain
God in your mind.
Not at all. You are trying to rationalize with your mind, things that are
spiritual, and then have confusion because you are unfamiliar with the things
of the spirit, which all men are are limited because we see through a glass
darkly.

“Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my
Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father,
and your Father; and to my God, and your God.” (Jhn 20:17, KJV)

That scripture is as true now as the last time it was pointed out to you.
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The Red Sea was simply coming back together.
It was rejoined and in doing so it judged the Egyptians.
Like Jesus, it was the path, the way, Through which Salvation to the
Israelites was provided, yet many which were saved returned to their old ways
and so they died, never receiving the Promised Land. Jesus is also the one
who judges all men. As those people fell, that were saved Via doubt and
disbelief, so it is with many in the church today, and for that reason Jesus
said, ...

Luk 21:34 (KJV) And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be
overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and
sothat day come upon you unawares.

Luk 21:35 (KJV) For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the
face of the whole earth.

Luk 21:36 (KJV) Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted
worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand
before the Son of man.
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Who was the ‘US’, in “let us make man in ‘our’ image?
One God. You are trying to capture God in material terms; you can't, it
is impossible because He is more than material terms. Why do you need
the scriptures to mean what you want them to mean to walk with God?
Gen 1:26 (KJV) And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our
likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the
fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every
creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Notice the “ in and our ” statements that Jesus made. Not man, Did God
really not mean to say that? Is that what you are suggesting?

Perhaps this is a good time to again say, what does the word God mean, how
many meanings are there to the word. And when does it mean Master, Elohim,
YHWH, Satan, a JUDGE, At one time Elohim was used loosely in a generic sense
by man who worshipped what they called gods and called them Elohim. This is a
topic you should study.
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Was there two Gods in the garden with Adam and Eve?
There was the God of this earth, Who walked with them, and there was also the
Heavenly Father, the “Ancient One” as written in the OT. But it was only
Jesus who walked with them.
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Is it necessary that the Holy Spirit repeat all that resides in Scripture to
your in order for you to believe them?
Perhaps you don't, as yet, have the understanding the Lord would have
you have?
If you knew all things then there would be nothing new to reveal to you.
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Instead of making a ‘god’ out of the Bible, why not read it for what its,
and for the reasons that it gives, and do as Jesus did, show his disciples
the truth of scriptures, and where he was to be found in them.
There is so much more to say but I have already said, many times, enough
for you to grasp and understand if you were willing.
You are not interacting with me as you see me, Robert, you are
interacting with the Lord.
Sorry Bubba, but I have direct access to the Lord. The things I have been
speaking of here, He showed me as well as gave me the understandings of it.
That is not to say that the Lord does not speak to others via his servants,
for he does. In those cases it is obvious for the Spirit of the Father bears
witness within ones heart which the scriptures also says and bears witness
to.
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That is what Paul was saying when he said, "Be followers of me.”
The rest of that verse says “even as I also of Christ” IOW Follow or
imitate Christ.
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Paul was merely a vessel; all the glory is the Lord's.
I am aware of how God speaks and how he confirms His words.
Many a cult leader speaks exactly as you have spoken, with many dying as a
direct result of that. Paul would never mock God by making fun of the gift of
tongues. Nor would he use any foul language. By His fruits we knew him and by
your fruits you likewise are known.
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The Lord Jesus Christ was always and is always perfect; only God is the
source of perfection.
Yet the words Jesus spoke were the words of His Father, he stated clearly
that these were not His own personal words. Yes, Jesus was sinless. From
birth and throughout his life. At his death he became ’sin’ for us.
If you mean He turned dirty then you have said a very bad thing. For
one, He is always was, is, and will be forever what He has always been.
Or to say it another way, a spotless lamb doesn't become spotted when it
is being slaughtered for the sins of slaughters.
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Him
who knew no sin, in order to pay the price, the ransom price for all who
will believe.
“For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be
made the righteousness of God in him.” (2Co 5:21, KJV)
It means He was was "made" to be sin for us, not that he was made sin.
If I say to the judge, I will take the death penalty for that man's
murder, that does not make my personhood a murderer. Yes, I pay the
price for the sin, but that does not make me a murderer!
Actually the words “to be” was not part of that scripture, it was
infected for clarities sake. It really said "He was made sin for us."
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You said yourself, "Jesus was sinless." He was, is, and always will be.
The scripture said “who knew no sin” His Father made him sin IOW placed
all the sins of mankind upon Him for which Jesus paid the price for all of
us. Jesus knew full well what was going to happen as he made clear in the
garden of Gethsemane when He asked his Father, if it be possible, take this
cup away from me. He knew of the intense misery that he was about to bear.
Yes. He was without sin, because of the life he lived. He lived as man,
subject to all the temptations of men, yet he fulfilled all the Law, and was
sinless. As unspotted as a sacrificial lamb. For that reason hell could not
contain him. And YES the sin he bore took him to the deepest part of hell.

But then all these things you should know and be aware of before I even
brought them to you from the scriptures. Eh?
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Think about it, throughout the history of Man a Lamb was sacrificed for sin.
Not just any lamb, but one that was perfect and without a flaw. The prime of
the prime.
And His character, His being did not change.
He died as man does, not God.
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Jesus was the “lamb of God that taketh away all the sin”
Amen. Spotless, pure, holy, and not act of man ever made Him otherwise.
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“The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb
of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.” (Jhn 1:29, KJV)
How did He do that?
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Why are you beholden to the doctrine of the trinity as propagated by the RCC?
Don't go off the reservation, Robert, if you do, it'll end the discussion.
Fine then I will stop it here. the Bible does not teach the trinity. Never
did. It is a doctrine of men.
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How can one person be three different persons? Are they a shape shifter?
One Spirit. Remember, post the fall the only reason we got a Son of God
in the flesh is because God had to place separation in Himself (make a
way) in order to bring His children back to and into Him.
Jesus was not born without a spirit. Man was created with a body soul and
spirit. We all propagated after our own kind. Which we were created to do and
be. We are to worship God the Father and pray to Him. Not to Jesus. (Which is
hard to do solely, as Jesus Christ was our redeemer.) Yet we are commanded to
do so, and Jesus gave us the reasoning behind that in the scripture.
There is no problem if you believe in One God.
I always pray to the Lord because...that is the way God chose to
identify and identifies with us; God with us. Thomas didn't have a
problem being in obeisance to the Lord Jesus because He SAW God before
Him, the One God. It is not about material terms, but spiritual reality.
But if you want to see with the eyes of facts and bible doctrine
(ChristRose modus operandi) you won't be able to see with the eyes of
faith, which incidentally, is the only way to see God.
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Mankind is not the children of God, for they follow another.
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Three can be a Godhead, a corporate entity in todays terms, and they can all
be at one in total agreement, yet one is the final authority, as a husband is
to the man and woman being one as ordained by God. They are one in Christ as
he is in the Heavenly Father.
You can't contain God in physical terms or material terms; if you could,
you would be greater than God.
Of course not. Only a fool would declare that he could.
It is not what a man declares in his material world, but what he
does...in the Spirit.
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He is One Spirit; Father and Son are God, One and the Same, One Holy
Spirit. God is everywhere and in everything; the Father as we see Him
and the Son as we see Him; both are God. There is only One God.
Cam you define nor understand ‘one’ as spoken in the scriptures.
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Believers become one with Christ and with other believers, not by
merging into the essence of God, but by being brought into intimate
fellowship with Him. This union is relational and covenantal, reflecting
harmony, shared purpose, and participation in God’s life through
Christ.
It fulfills Jesus’ prayer in John 17:21: "that they may all be one,
just
as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You, that they also may be in Us."
“Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of
judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.” (1Jn 4:17, KJV)
Physically? No. Spiritually? Yes. Is not the Born Again Man born of the
Heavenly Father?
I stated something the other day which surprised me, and I am yet to
revisit and meditate further on.
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In short, believers do not BECOME The Eternally Self-existing GOD
when > they are made one in Christ.
And my reply to our rosie Rosie...
Yes, they do. Family is family and is eternal self-existent Oneness in
and of God.
And this was explained to me by the Holy Spirit...
"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."
You see, it is about the nature and glory of God. He is a "withhold
nothing" God whose love is all inclusive.
Eph 3:20 Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all
that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,
The power of what?
The Holy Spirt, who dwells within the Spirit of Born Again Man.
Now, what would you think if I said to you, since a son is immersed (in
the vine) in God that he is actually the full expression of the Holy
Spirit since the Lord Jesus is his Lord?
Here you go...
1Jn_4:17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in
the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.
"Family is family and is eternal self-existent Oneness in and of God.
Boldness! How can a sinner have boldness?
He can't.
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You need to have faith in God and lean not on your own sinner
understanding. You are your own very bad enemy.
As I told you before, and recently, I learned that and started practicing
that many decades ago, whether you believe me or not.
That was to ChristRosie the sinless sinner christian.
Also, it may be that you don't put it into practice because it is
inherent and you can't be any other way. Of course a man can think any
number of ways, but where the rubber meets the road, the bottom line,
his action is faith (leaning not on one's own understanding). One cannot
be in God and be your own Lord at any point.
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Is not the Spirit of the Most High God dwelling within the heart/spirit of
man? Yes. Is the heart of the BAM eternal and not of this World? Yes. Are we
not known for before the beginning of this present world? Yes. And the
‘coup de gras’ to all this being in the very same scripture that you
quoted? Yes!
John 17:21: "that they may all be one, just as You, Father, are in Me, and I
in You, that they also may be in Us.”
IOW, we as the body of Christ ’are one’ just like Jesus and His Heavenly
Father 'are one” and the Body of Christ which includes all of those who are
Born Again, are ‘One. In US’.
All man, restored to the position of Adam as He was before the flood, and as
he would have been had he partaken of the ’tree of life’ which will be
upon the Day of Resurrection.
Why do you attempt to belittle the Work of Jesus that He did honoring the
will of His Heavenly Father, and was sent to the Earth to fulfill it? Is not
Jesus the second Adam?
Anyone, and I do mean anyone that attempts to belittle the word of God is not
listening to Him as there is only one opposing force of God and that is of
the evil one.
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Union with Christ means believers are incorporated into His body (1
justification, sanctification, and glorification (Romans 8:30). Through
this union, believers receive new life in Christ, share in the Spirit,
and live in obedience to God’s will. However, they do not attain God's
attributes such as omnipotence or self-existence.
No one attains anything of God by themselves or their works. We are made via
the grace and mercy of the Heavenly Father The righteousness of God Himself
when we become BAM. A New Creation. Old things are passed away. Meaning the
Old Man is Dead. Deader than a doornail. We Now HAVE a Divine nature in
having been made a new creation. A full and driving force with all its
attributes for all who walk in the spirit.
Those who attempt to revive the old carnal nature are living in their carnal
dead self. Seeking to live in the old, while pretending to live or dwell in
spiritual things. Living in the old dead carnal self and reshaping the will
of God to conform to their old dead self, is to dwell in sin. They attempt to
conform the will of God per their self righteous desires having not committed
themselves to God the Father and now place themselves over that of a
’sovereign God’.
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Instead, believers experience unity with God in the sense of communion
and shared fellowship. 2 Peter 1:4 explains that believers become
"partakers of the divine nature," not by becoming God but by escaping
the corruption of the world and reflecting God's character. This union
brings transformation into Christlikeness (Romans 8:29) and aligns
believers with God's purposes, but it preserves the Creator-creature
distinction.
partake | pɑːˈteɪk |
verb (past partook | pɑːˈtʊk |; past participle partaken |
pɑːˈteɪk(ə)n |) [no object]
1 (partake of) formal, or humorous eat or drink (something): he partook of a
well-earned drink | I would be proud to partake of your pecan pie.
2 (partake in) formal, or humorous join in (an activity): visitors can
partake in golfing or clay pigeon shooting.
3 (partake of) formal be characterized by (a quality): the birth of twins
became an event which partook of the mythic.
origin
mid 16th century: back-formation from earlier partaker ‘person who takes a
part’.
IOW be a full part of. Having partook.
Hence, ‘we are’ the righteousness of God. We were ‘enjoined’.
Those who desire their fleshly ways have not committed themselves to God and
still listen to the evil one as having a point of reason.
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Thus, while believers become one with Christ and share fellowship with
God, they remain distinct beings. Their unity with God mirrors
relational oneness rather than ontological unity—the perfect, eternal
unity shared uniquely by the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
“If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he
that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he
hath not seen? And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God
love his brother also.” (1Jn 4:20-21, KJV)
1 John 2:9(KJV) He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is
in darkness even until now.
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In short, believers do not BECOME The Eternally Self-existing GOD when
they are made one in Christ.
Where s any scripture saying that will not be? In the future will we not live
and reign with Him?
2Ti 2:12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we denyhim, he also
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on
such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of
Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
We will not be greater than the Heavenly Father, yet we will be greater than
the angels. Plus be brothers with Jesus The Messiah.
I write these things to counteract your distortions and downplaying of the
truth of God. That you do not fully accept the Word of God is obvious by
attributing the current works of God the Father through men, by His Spirit as
He did in the early days, to the works of the evil one. Thus also denying the
power of God and proclaiming the ceasing of the works of God and that the
works of Satan yet prevail. And in fact Insisting these things before all
men, even to the point of referencing these things in the Web site you
proudly publish to, yet desire to remain anonymous while taking His Position
as your nym.
And lastly, but yet a very important truth.
Mrk 13:34 (KJV) For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left
his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and
commanded the porter to watch.
Mrk 13:35 (KJV) Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the
house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the
Mrk 13:36 (KJV) Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.
Mrk 13:37 (KJV) And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.
Hence these words of the Lord.
“Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to
escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son
of man.” (Luk 21:36, KJV)
So Be It.
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The power to belittle the Word of God, and or His gifts given to man, has
been given to no man.
MM, being as you replied and left his remarks here, it was necessary for me
to correct his false teachings with the truth of Gods words.
-). Okay. However it may not all be about just that.
So please, try to think about what I said.
My replies are not knee Jerk reactions.
Maybe, but who told you that?
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It can only prosper.
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Yes, they do. Family is family and is eternal self-existent Oneness in
and of God.
And this was explained to me by the Holy Spirit...
"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."
You see, it is about the nature and glory of God. He is a "withhold
nothing" God whose love is all inclusive.
Eph 3:20 Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all
that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,
The power of what?
You need to have faith in God and lean not on your own sinner
understanding. You are your own very bad enemy.
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atone |əˈtəʊn|. verb [no object]
make amends or reparation:a human sacrifice to atone for the sin.
origin Middle English(originally in the sense ‘make or become united or
reconciled’, rare before the 16th century):from at one in early use; later
by back-formation from atonement.
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atonement|əˈtəʊnm(ə)nt|.
noun[mass noun].
the action of making amends for a wrong or injury:he submitted his
resignation as an act of atonement.
(in religious contexts) reparation or expiation for sin:an annual ceremony of
confession andatonement forsin.
(the Atonement) Christian theology the reconciliation of God and humankind
through Jesus Christ,
origin;early 16th century(denoting unity or reconciliation, especially
between God and man): from at one+-ment , influenced by medieval Latin
adunamentum‘unity’, and earlier one ment from an obsolete verb one‘to
unite’.
Words mean something. IOW One with, as Jesus said, that the Born Again
Believer is one with Him, as He is with the Heavenly Father.
What is so intriguing about this is that in the OT the Blood of the Lamb was
applied to the Ark of the Covenant for the sins of the Nation of Israel. All
representating what Jesus was going to do when He applied His blood to the
Ark of the Covenant in Heaven. (A copy of which was built as designed by God,
to be placed into the Holy of Holies on earth.)
All of these things were purposed by God to restore Man to be one with God as
he was designed and created to be in the Garden of Eden. Yet was broken by
the disobedience of the First Adam. The second Adam, Jesus the Messiah, was
and is the real sacrifice which ’atoned’ for the sins of mankind to
restore us into the position of being one with Jesus and the Heavenly Father,
as they were and are One.
HOW AMAZING IS THAT !!!!
Jesus is eternally self-existent as God. John 1:1 states, "In the
beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was
God." This verse teaches that Jesus (the Word) has always existed as God
and with God from eternity, affirming both His distinct personhood and
divine nature. Believers, however, do not become part of the Godhead or
the eternally self-existing God through their union with Christ.
“For a child is born to us, and a son is given to us, whose government is
upon his shoulder: and his name is called the Messenger of great counsel: for
I will bring peace upon the princes, and health to him.” (Isa 9:6) Brenton
Dare I say, you need the Hebrew translation of Isaiah 9:6.
I did, the one they translated from Hebrew into the Greek of that day.
He might have thought he did. :-).
There were 70 priests involved, the faithfully followed the rules for making
a copy of the original scriptures, but applied it to the translations from
Hebrew into koine Greek. This was well before the Masoretic texts which are
known to not be nearly as thorough, as well as anti Jesus.
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Jhn 1:1 (KJV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,
and the Word was God.
Jhn 1:2 (KJV) The same was in the beginning with God.
Jhn 1:3 (KJV) All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing
made that was made.
How can the Son of God be with the Heavenly Father, sit on a throne at the
right hand of the Heavenly Fathers throne? V2
One Spirit. Mankind naturally looks at God and tries to reason Him into
physical terms. It won't and can't work.
That is correct, so read the scripture as quoted and what did is say in V2?
Yep, I did, "The same was in the beginning with God."
I don't think we are on the same page, though.
Obviously, maybe a rewrite might help you/
V2 The (Word of God/Jesus)same was in the beginning with God. Or as the AMPC
puts it, He was present originally with God.
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The Lord Jesus is the Father because they are One Spirit, One Lord, and
that as they say is that.
“As Jesus is, so are we in this present world”
That is true, but good luck with the religious institutions with that if
you go all the way with that.
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Why did the Heavenly Father withdraw His spirit from Jesus while he was on
the Cross?
He didn't.
“And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying,Eli, Eli,
lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken
me?” (Mat 27:46, KJV)
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The Lord Jesus didn't change; He is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
Jesus had given up his former glory and power to be born as man. So that he
was subject to the same trials as is man. He grew as man did, in knowledge
and wisdom, was well known in his area as a carpenter. Until it was his time
for ministry as a mature man, which at that time the custom was around 30 or
so years old, Not the 21 or 18 as is commonly accepted in the USA. At that
time he was baptized by JtB and after he came out of the water He was
baptized with the Holy Ghost thus empowered by God to do the works of God and
speak as His Heavenly Father desired. Then after his resurrection he was
restored to His former Glory, which he sorely missed and desired, and had
also asked His Father if they disciples could see that glory on at least one
occasion, which is now called His Transfiguration on the Mount of Olives.
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Why did his Heavenly Father proudly proclaim Jesus as His Son, from the
skies so that all could hear?
There is only One God, Robert, only ever been One God. It was explained,
God placed separation in Himself, both sides of the veil...God.
One as in Unity. The Godhead. If there were only one being called God, and no
‘us’ as is stated in the Bible, then God could not keep a secret from
himself, such as when it is time for Christ to come for his body of
believers. It would also mean that Jesus was a ventriloquist and threw his
voice into the clouds to say, “this is my well beloved Son, hear ye him”
which is contrary to his statements regarding “that I can do nothing of
myself” and also his statements regarding defending himself and proving
himself as God before the men of his time.
“I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is
just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath
sent me. If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true. There is
another that beareth witness of me; and I know that the witness which he
witnesseth of me is true.” (Jhn 5:30-32, KJV)
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Why didn’t Jesus tell John the Baptist about his being anointed by the
Holy Spirit of God the Father, face to face if he was the Heavenly Father?
Have you the exhaustive mind of God?
As was said, you can't bring God down to a material calculation. "One
Spirit. Mankind naturally looks at God and tries to reason Him into
physical terms. It won't and can't work."
This is a preeminent theme in the verse I have been quoting lately...
Pro 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine
own understanding.
If you could bring down God to a mental concept capable of being
captured by the human mind, it wouldn't be of faith.
Yet as a believer this is true,... “But the natural man receiveth not the
things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can
he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. But he that is
spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. For who
hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the
mind of Christ.” (1Co 2:14-16, KJV)
This addresses all that you stated above, but the correct way, which is the
reality of the believer in Jesus the Christ.
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And If God the Father gave us His Glory, His power, to be born as Jesus, who
then was the ruler of ALL Heaven?
As above.
Is there only One God? And is the Lord Jesus God? I would hope you would
say yes to both questions.
If I did I would not be true to the word of God. They are ‘as one’.
Unified. Like a husband and wife are ‘one’. And that is what the word of
God speaks to their relationship, yet the Husband is the one in authority or
the ‘head’ of the family. And Yes, this is established by God. It is
indeed His understanding and specified as such.
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They are One Spirit, One Lord, and One God, but God placed separation in
Himself to allow us to become One with Him. Think of the Red Sea
parting, One Sea, but God opened the way for the Israelites, but at no
point did it ever change from being One Red Sea.
That is what you call human understanding, for which you criticize me if I do
so. And to cover what you missed here, there was dry land between the two,
thus separating the waters. The barrier was in place as real and fixed as if
their was a mountain separating the two waters.
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Why then did Jesus, after he was resurrected tell Mary I go to see My God
and Your God?
You are too caught up in the materialism, in the idea you can contain
God in your mind.
Not at all. You are trying to rationalize with your mind, things that are
spiritual, and then have confusion because you are unfamiliar with the things
of the spirit, which all men are are limited because we see through a glass
darkly.
“Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my
Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father,
and your Father; and to my God, and your God.” (Jhn 20:17, KJV)
That scripture is as true now as the last time it was pointed out to you.
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The Red Sea was simply coming back together.
It was rejoined and in doing so it judged the Egyptians.
Like Jesus, it was the path, the way, Through which Salvation to the
Israelites was provided, yet many which were saved returned to their old ways
and so they died, never receiving the Promised Land. Jesus is also the one
who judges all men. As those people fell, that were saved Via doubt and
disbelief, so it is with many in the church today, and for that reason Jesus
said, ...
Luk 21:34 (KJV) And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be
overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and
sothat day come upon you unawares.
Luk 21:35 (KJV) For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the
face of the whole earth.
Luk 21:36 (KJV) Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted
worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand
before the Son of man.
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Who was the ‘US’, in “let us make man in ‘our’ image?
One God. You are trying to capture God in material terms; you can't, it
is impossible because He is more than material terms. Why do you need
the scriptures to mean what you want them to mean to walk with God?
Gen 1:26 (KJV) And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our
likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the
fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every
creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Notice the “ in and our ” statements that Jesus made. Not man, Did God
really not mean to say that? Is that what you are suggesting?
Perhaps this is a good time to again say, what does the word God mean, how
many meanings are there to the word. And when does it mean Master, Elohim,
YHWH, Satan, a JUDGE, At one time Elohim was used loosely in a generic sense
by man who worshipped what they called gods and called them Elohim. This is a
topic you should study.
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Was there two Gods in the garden with Adam and Eve?
There was the God of this earth, Who walked with them, and there was also the
Heavenly Father, the “Ancient One” as written in the OT. But it was only
Jesus who walked with them.
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Is it necessary that the Holy Spirit repeat all that resides in Scripture to
your in order for you to believe them?
Perhaps you don't, as yet, have the understanding the Lord would have
you have?
If you knew all things then there would be nothing new to reveal to you.
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Instead of making a ‘god’ out of the Bible, why not read it for what its,
and for the reasons that it gives, and do as Jesus did, show his disciples
the truth of scriptures, and where he was to be found in them.
There is so much more to say but I have already said, many times, enough
for you to grasp and understand if you were willing.
You are not interacting with me as you see me, Robert, you are
interacting with the Lord.
Sorry Bubba, but I have direct access to the Lord. The things I have been
speaking of here, He showed me as well as gave me the understandings of it.
That is not to say that the Lord does not speak to others via his servants,
for he does. In those cases it is obvious for the Spirit of the Father bears
witness within ones heart which the scriptures also says and bears witness
to.
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That is what Paul was saying when he said, "Be followers of me.”
The rest of that verse says “even as I also of Christ” IOW Follow or
imitate Christ.
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Paul was merely a vessel; all the glory is the Lord's.
I am aware of how God speaks and how he confirms His words.
Many a cult leader speaks exactly as you have spoken, with many dying as a
direct result of that. Paul would never mock God by making fun of the gift of
tongues. Nor would he use any foul language. By His fruits we knew him and by
your fruits you likewise are known.
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The Lord Jesus Christ was always and is always perfect; only God is the
source of perfection.
Yet the words Jesus spoke were the words of His Father, he stated clearly
that these were not His own personal words. Yes, Jesus was sinless. From
birth and throughout his life. At his death he became ’sin’ for us.
If you mean He turned dirty then you have said a very bad thing. For
one, He is always was, is, and will be forever what He has always been.
Or to say it another way, a spotless lamb doesn't become spotted when it
is being slaughtered for the sins of slaughters.
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Him
who knew no sin, in order to pay the price, the ransom price for all who
will believe.
“For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be
made the righteousness of God in him.” (2Co 5:21, KJV)
It means He was was "made" to be sin for us, not that he was made sin.
If I say to the judge, I will take the death penalty for that man's
murder, that does not make my personhood a murderer. Yes, I pay the
price for the sin, but that does not make me a murderer!
Actually the words “to be” was not part of that scripture, it was
infected for clarities sake. It really said "He was made sin for us."
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You said yourself, "Jesus was sinless." He was, is, and always will be.
The scripture said “who knew no sin” His Father made him sin IOW placed
all the sins of mankind upon Him for which Jesus paid the price for all of
us. Jesus knew full well what was going to happen as he made clear in the
garden of Gethsemane when He asked his Father, if it be possible, take this
cup away from me. He knew of the intense misery that he was about to bear.
Yes. He was without sin, because of the life he lived. He lived as man,
subject to all the temptations of men, yet he fulfilled all the Law, and was
sinless. As unspotted as a sacrificial lamb. For that reason hell could not
contain him. And YES the sin he bore took him to the deepest part of hell.
But then all these things you should know and be aware of before I even
brought them to you from the scriptures. Eh?
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Think about it, throughout the history of Man a Lamb was sacrificed for sin.
Not just any lamb, but one that was perfect and without a flaw. The prime of
the prime.
And His character, His being did not change.
He died as man does, not God.
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Jesus was the “lamb of God that taketh away all the sin”
Amen. Spotless, pure, holy, and not act of man ever made Him otherwise.
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“The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb
of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.” (Jhn 1:29, KJV)
How did He do that?
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Why are you beholden to the doctrine of the trinity as propagated by the RCC?
Don't go off the reservation, Robert, if you do, it'll end the discussion.
Fine then I will stop it here. the Bible does not teach the trinity. Never
did. It is a doctrine of men.
Your context is not on the table and it doesn't belong there.

I went through the reply giving explanations but I see you wilfully
remain leaning on your own understanding.

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How can one person be three different persons? Are they a shape shifter?
One Spirit. Remember, post the fall the only reason we got a Son of God
in the flesh is because God had to place separation in Himself (make a
way) in order to bring His children back to and into Him.
Jesus was not born without a spirit. Man was created with a body soul and
spirit. We all propagated after our own kind. Which we were created to do and
be. We are to worship God the Father and pray to Him. Not to Jesus. (Which is
hard to do solely, as Jesus Christ was our redeemer.) Yet we are commanded to
do so, and Jesus gave us the reasoning behind that in the scripture.
There is no problem if you believe in One God.
I always pray to the Lord because...that is the way God chose to
identify and identifies with us; God with us. Thomas didn't have a
problem being in obeisance to the Lord Jesus because He SAW God before
Him, the One God. It is not about material terms, but spiritual reality.
But if you want to see with the eyes of facts and bible doctrine
(ChristRose modus operandi) you won't be able to see with the eyes of
faith, which incidentally, is the only way to see God.
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Mankind is not the children of God, for they follow another.
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Three can be a Godhead, a corporate entity in todays terms, and they can all
be at one in total agreement, yet one is the final authority, as a husband is
to the man and woman being one as ordained by God. They are one in Christ as
he is in the Heavenly Father.
You can't contain God in physical terms or material terms; if you could,
you would be greater than God.
Of course not. Only a fool would declare that he could.
It is not what a man declares in his material world, but what he
does...in the Spirit.
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He is One Spirit; Father and Son are God, One and the Same, One Holy
Spirit. God is everywhere and in everything; the Father as we see Him
and the Son as we see Him; both are God. There is only One God.
Cam you define nor understand ‘one’ as spoken in the scriptures.
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Believers become one with Christ and with other believers, not by
merging into the essence of God, but by being brought into intimate
fellowship with Him. This union is relational and covenantal, reflecting
harmony, shared purpose, and participation in God’s life through Christ.
It fulfills Jesus’ prayer in John 17:21: "that they may all be one, just
as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You, that they also may be in Us."
“Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of
judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.” (1Jn 4:17, KJV)
Physically? No. Spiritually? Yes. Is not the Born Again Man born of the
Heavenly Father?
I stated something the other day which surprised me, and I am yet to
revisit and meditate further on.
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In short, believers do not BECOME The Eternally Self-existing GOD
when > they are made one in Christ.
And my reply to our rosie Rosie...
Yes, they do. Family is family and is eternal self-existent Oneness in
and of God.
And this was explained to me by the Holy Spirit...
"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."
You see, it is about the nature and glory of God. He is a "withhold
nothing" God whose love is all inclusive.
Eph 3:20 Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all
that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,
The power of what?
The Holy Spirt, who dwells within the Spirit of Born Again Man.
Now, what would you think if I said to you, since a son is immersed (in
the vine) in God that he is actually the full expression of the Holy
Spirit since the Lord Jesus is his Lord?
Here you go...
1Jn_4:17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in
the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.
"Family is family and is eternal self-existent Oneness in and of God.
Boldness! How can a sinner have boldness?
He can't.
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You need to have faith in God and lean not on your own sinner
understanding. You are your own very bad enemy.
As I told you before, and recently, I learned that and started practicing
that many decades ago, whether you believe me or not.
That was to ChristRosie the sinless sinner christian.
Also, it may be that you don't put it into practice because it is
inherent and you can't be any other way. Of course a man can think any
number of ways, but where the rubber meets the road, the bottom line,
his action is faith (leaning not on one's own understanding). One cannot
be in God and be your own Lord at any point.
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Is not the Spirit of the Most High God dwelling within the heart/spirit of
man? Yes. Is the heart of the BAM eternal and not of this World? Yes. Are we
not known for before the beginning of this present world? Yes. And the
‘coup de gras’ to all this being in the very same scripture that you
quoted? Yes!
John 17:21: "that they may all be one, just as You, Father, are in Me, and I
in You, that they also may be in Us.”
IOW, we as the body of Christ ’are one’ just like Jesus and His Heavenly
Father 'are one” and the Body of Christ which includes all of those who are
Born Again, are ‘One. In US’.
All man, restored to the position of Adam as He was before the flood, and as
he would have been had he partaken of the ’tree of life’ which will be
upon the Day of Resurrection.
Why do you attempt to belittle the Work of Jesus that He did honoring the
will of His Heavenly Father, and was sent to the Earth to fulfill it? Is not
Jesus the second Adam?
Anyone, and I do mean anyone that attempts to belittle the word of God is not
listening to Him as there is only one opposing force of God and that is of
the evil one.
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Union with Christ means believers are incorporated into His body (1
justification, sanctification, and glorification (Romans 8:30). Through
this union, believers receive new life in Christ, share in the Spirit,
and live in obedience to God’s will. However, they do not attain God's
attributes such as omnipotence or self-existence.
No one attains anything of God by themselves or their works. We are made via
the grace and mercy of the Heavenly Father The righteousness of God Himself
when we become BAM. A New Creation. Old things are passed away. Meaning the
Old Man is Dead. Deader than a doornail. We Now HAVE a Divine nature in
having been made a new creation. A full and driving force with all its
attributes for all who walk in the spirit.
Those who attempt to revive the old carnal nature are living in their carnal
dead self. Seeking to live in the old, while pretending to live or dwell in
spiritual things. Living in the old dead carnal self and reshaping the will
of God to conform to their old dead self, is to dwell in sin. They attempt to
conform the will of God per their self righteous desires having not committed
themselves to God the Father and now place themselves over that of a
’sovereign God’.
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Instead, believers experience unity with God in the sense of communion
and shared fellowship. 2 Peter 1:4 explains that believers become
"partakers of the divine nature," not by becoming God but by escaping
the corruption of the world and reflecting God's character. This union
brings transformation into Christlikeness (Romans 8:29) and aligns
believers with God's purposes, but it preserves the Creator-creature
distinction.
partake | pɑːˈteɪk |
verb (past partook | pɑːˈtʊk |; past participle partaken |
pɑːˈteɪk(ə)n |) [no object]
1 (partake of) formal, or humorous eat or drink (something): he partook of a
well-earned drink | I would be proud to partake of your pecan pie.
2 (partake in) formal, or humorous join in (an activity): visitors can
partake in golfing or clay pigeon shooting.
3 (partake of) formal be characterized by (a quality): the birth of twins
became an event which partook of the mythic.
origin
mid 16th century: back-formation from earlier partaker ‘person who takes a
part’.
IOW be a full part of. Having partook.
Hence, ‘we are’ the righteousness of God. We were ‘enjoined’.
Those who desire their fleshly ways have not committed themselves to God and
still listen to the evil one as having a point of reason.
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Thus, while believers become one with Christ and share fellowship with
God, they remain distinct beings. Their unity with God mirrors
relational oneness rather than ontological unity—the perfect, eternal
unity shared uniquely by the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
“If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he
that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he
hath not seen? And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God
love his brother also.” (1Jn 4:20-21, KJV)
1 John 2:9(KJV) He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is
in darkness even until now.
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In short, believers do not BECOME The Eternally Self-existing GOD when
they are made one in Christ.
Where s any scripture saying that will not be? In the future will we not live
and reign with Him?
2Ti 2:12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we denyhim, he also
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on
such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of
Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
We will not be greater than the Heavenly Father, yet we will be greater than
the angels. Plus be brothers with Jesus The Messiah.
I write these things to counteract your distortions and downplaying of the
truth of God. That you do not fully accept the Word of God is obvious by
attributing the current works of God the Father through men, by His Spirit as
He did in the early days, to the works of the evil one. Thus also denying the
power of God and proclaiming the ceasing of the works of God and that the
works of Satan yet prevail. And in fact Insisting these things before all
men, even to the point of referencing these things in the Web site you
proudly publish to, yet desire to remain anonymous while taking His Position
as your nym.
And lastly, but yet a very important truth.
Mrk 13:34 (KJV) For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left
his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and
commanded the porter to watch.
Mrk 13:35 (KJV) Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the
house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the
Mrk 13:36 (KJV) Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.
Mrk 13:37 (KJV) And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.
Hence these words of the Lord.
“Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to
escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son
of man.” (Luk 21:36, KJV)
So Be It.
***********************************
The power to belittle the Word of God, and or His gifts given to man, has
been given to no man.
MM, being as you replied and left his remarks here, it was necessary for me
to correct his false teachings with the truth of Gods words.
-). Okay. However it may not all be about just that.
So please, try to think about what I said.
My replies are not knee Jerk reactions.
Maybe, but who told you that?
In the Name of Jesus
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It can only prosper.
In the Name of Jesus
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Yes, they do. Family is family and is eternal self-existent Oneness in
and of God.
And this was explained to me by the Holy Spirit...
"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."
You see, it is about the nature and glory of God. He is a "withhold
nothing" God whose love is all inclusive.
Eph 3:20 Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all
that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,
The power of what?
You need to have faith in God and lean not on your own sinner
understanding. You are your own very bad enemy.
In the Name of Jesus
--
God is God in all His Being. All the glory is His, for He is all glory.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything, He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free, and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

"The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence or proof is to be found."

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not so that a book could pass
through it for a sinner to play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: a man full of bluster and bullshit in his
meaninglessness pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

"What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence."

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God; God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

"Atheism: "The claim that life received from itself."

"But remember this: always, absolutely always, all the glory is the
Lord's and His alone, and anyone who takes any credit for anything, you
know, instantly, he is not what he pretends to be and is a false prophet."

"That light had to bear (bears all things) the darkness for us, but that
light did not ever become darkness."

"You must reach beyond the bible that tells you about Him, and into your
daily life to find Him in Person. He's there."

"What is wrong with Christendom? False understanding based on compromise."

"It is not in man to love his enemies. And if he tries, he is walking in
a lie and trying to raise himself up to the level of God."

"God has to be quiet now; we have our bible." Well, then, who is going
to speak?
Robert
2024-11-02 00:14:55 UTC
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Your context is not on the table and it doesn't belong there.
I went through the reply giving explanations but I see you wilfully
remain leaning on your own understanding.
You are so wrong on that, as I seek the Lord in all things.
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So, the end of the discussion it is.
Fine with me, I am confident in what the Lord showed me over the years, and
my faith is in Him, not you, nor any other man.
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All messages with alt.atheism in the headers are now filterd out beginning
10/19.So posting to aa will in effect filter all your messages from being
read by me. Thus you are KF'ing yourself. VBG
In the Name of Jesus
2024-11-02 05:53:42 UTC
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Your context is not on the table and it doesn't belong there.
I went through the reply giving explanations but I see you wilfully
remain leaning on your own understanding.
You are so wrong on that, as I seek the Lord in all things.
No, you don't, Robert. You have not seen the Lord Jesus is God. To you
He is some kind of lesser God and/or a created and separated being, but
He is God Himself manifested in the flesh.

If you don't even know that He is the eternal God, the almighty Father,
the prince of peace, a child is born, the One "Us" single unity Holy
Spirit/God, He isn't your Lord.

You are self-deceived and you use your theology bible to ***deceive
yourself,*** claiming things that you are not entitled to, like Rosie,
like all of sinner christendom (including sheriff Sheriff) and all of
Phariseedom before that.

In the Name of Jesus
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So, the end of the discussion it is.
Fine with me,
You don't give a damn where the rubber meets the road because you choose
you first. It is not fine with me because I see the delusion you are in.

You might feel that way now, but 100%, you will definitely not later.
Post by Robert
I am confident in what the Lord showed me over the years, and
my faith is in Him, not you, nor any other man.
Seeing stuff does not save; trusting God, trusting in "not seeing," is
faith in Him. You lean on your own understanding, first and foremost,
and then you say, "My faith is in Him." That is garbage talk.

The bone from the marrow.

Your faith is in you leaning on your own understanding of the bible,
just like ChristRosie. That is why it is so horrendous for you and him
to contemplate leaving many years of bible and simply walking with the
Lord in your daily life—like it was in the very beginning and still
is—because it is unimaginable to NOT HAVE, to TOSS your confidence in
YOUR theology.

Well, the Lord is not theology, nor is He doctrinal analysis, or a book,
or ink, or some cheap kind of coffee table reference (with God's help)
or a bible software programme; He is God, and God walks with His
children, and there is not even a bible on the radar.

Why? How many times have you been told, why, and you still do not hear!






In the Name of Jesus
--
God is God in all His Being. All the glory is His, for He is all glory.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything, He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free, and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

"The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence or proof is to be found."

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not so that a book could pass
through it for a sinner to play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: a man full of bluster and bullshit in his
meaninglessness pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

"What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence."

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God; God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

"Atheism: "The claim that life received from itself."

"But remember this: always, absolutely always, all the glory is the
Lord's and His alone, and anyone who takes any credit for anything, you
know, instantly, he is not what he pretends to be and is a false prophet."

"That light had to bear (bears all things) the darkness for us, but that
light did not ever become darkness."

"You must reach beyond the bible that tells you about Him, and into your
daily life to find Him in Person. He's there."

"What is wrong with Christendom? False understanding based on compromise."

"It is not in man to love his enemies. And if he tries, he is walking in
a lie and trying to raise himself up to the level of God."

"God has to be quiet now; we have our bible." Well, then, who is going
to speak?
Christ Rose
2024-11-02 04:30:06 UTC
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There is only One God, Robert, only ever been One God. It was explained,
God placed separation in Himself, both sides of the veil...God.
One as in Unity.
One as in essence and Being, not just relational unity. There are not
three God Beiungs who united into one godhead. There is only one
eternally self-existing Being who is God.
Post by Robert
The Godhead. If there were only one being called God,
Note there. He says "if there were only one being called God". Is he not
claiming there are three God Beings? Is he not denying that there is
only one God Being? He's evidently claiming that there are three God
Beings who are simply united together.

Isaiah 45:5-6 - "I am the Lord, and there is no other, besides me there
is no God; I equip you, though you do not know me, that people may know,
from the rising of the sun and from the west, that there is none besides
me; I am the Lord, and there is no other" (Isaiah 45:5-6, ESV).

Isaiah 44:6 - "Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel and his Redeemer,
the Lord of hosts: 'I am the first and I am the last; besides me there
is no god'" (Isaiah 44:6, ESV).

Deuteronomy 4:35 - "To you it was shown, that you might know that the
Lord is God; there is no other besides him" (Deuteronomy 4:35, ESV).

Isaiah 43:10 - "'You are my witnesses,' declares the Lord, 'and my
servant whom I have chosen, that you may know and believe me and
understand that I am he. Before me no god was formed, nor shall there be
any after me'" (Isaiah 43:10, ESV).
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and no ‘us’ as
Three persons. 1 God Being.
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is stated in the Bible, then God could not keep a secret from
himself, such as when it is time for Christ to come for his body of
believers.
• You're making arguments from your own reasoning here, rather than from
Scripture. It doesn't seem reasonable to you. If you don't understand
it, therefore, it can't be right. Since God's ways are unsearchable
(Romans 11:33), and you require that he does not exceed your
understanding or ability to explain, you will always end up with a god
you invented, who is small enough for you to comprehend. This is
idolatry. --Not only because you worship a comprehensible God who does
not exceed your reason, but because you claim there are three God
Beings, yet God said there is only one and none beside Him.

• Regarding His omniscience, Philippians 2 specifically shows Christ
emptied Himself of His divine rights to become a man. He willingly set
aside His independent access to omniscience.
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It would also mean that Jesus was a ventriloquist and threw his
voice into the clouds to say, “this is my well beloved Son, hear ye him”
which is contrary to his statements regarding “that I can do nothing of
myself” and also his statements regarding defending himself and proving
himself as God before the men of his time.
Three distinct persons, only one God Being. But no, Robert has to have a
God that can be fully explained, and fit in the palm of his hand, so He
denies there is only one God Being.
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“I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is
just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath
sent me. If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true. There is
another that beareth witness of me; and I know that the witness which he
witnesseth of me is true.” (Jhn 5:30-32, KJV)
Idem.
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Why didn’t Jesus tell John the Baptist about his being anointed by the
Holy Spirit of God the Father, face to face if he was the Heavenly Father?
Have you the exhaustive mind of God?
As was said, you can't bring God down to a material calculation. "One
Spirit. Mankind naturally looks at God and tries to reason Him into
physical terms. It won't and can't work."
That is correct. He exceeds human comprehension (Romans 11:33).
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This is a preeminent theme in the verse I have been quoting lately...
Pro 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine
own understanding.
If you could bring down God to a mental concept capable of being
captured by the human mind, it wouldn't be of faith.
Correct.
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Yet as a believer this is true,... “But the natural man receiveth not the
things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can
he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. But he that is
spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. For who
hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the
mind of Christ.” (1Co 2:14-16, KJV)
This addresses all that you stated above, but the correct way, which is the
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reality of the believer in Jesus the Christ.
Note from 1 Corinthians 2: "the things freely given us by God".

"Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is
from God, that we might understand the things freely given us by God" (1
Corinthians 2:12, ESV).

This doesn't mean the Spirit imparts everything there is to know about
God to the mind of the believer. It means He imparts a deep
understanding of the things "freely given us by God". There are certain
things God has given us to know about Him. The understanding we receive
applies to those things, not to everything there is to know. You would
literally explode with overload if you tried to fully comprehend God.
And if you think you wouldn't, you worship a finite God of your own
invention.

“Oh, the depth of the riches and wisdom and knowledge of God! How
unsearchable are his judgments and how inscrutable his ways!” (Romans
11:33, ESV)
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And If God the Father gave us His Glory, His power, to be born as Jesus, who
then was the ruler of ALL Heaven?
As above.
Is there only One God? And is the Lord Jesus God? I would hope you would
say yes to both questions.
If I did I would not be true to the word of God.
Liar. There is only a single, solitary God Being. To contend otherwise
is to promote idolatry. Three distinct persons, one God. You struggle
with that because you insist that God must not exceed your comprehension.
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They are ‘as one’.
Notice that he is the one who now pretends to quote when he's actually
just citing his own words, not Scripture. The Bible does not God is "as"
one, but just that He is "one". There is no other God beside Him. You
promote idolatry.
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Unified. Like a husband and wife are ‘one’.
Again, you try to reduce God to something you can understand and can
explain. You are trying to confuse relational unity with singularity of
essence or Being. There is only One God Being, not three united God
beings. To contend otherwise is to promote idolatry.
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And that is what the word of
God speaks to their relationship,
Now you admit you're talking about the relationship of the three
persons, not the essence or Being. You're trying to confuse relationship
with essence.
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yet the Husband is the one in authority or
the ‘head’ of the family. And Yes, this is established by God. It is
indeed His understanding and specified as such.
This is relational unity, not unity of Being. The Father, Son, and
Spirit have relational unity, but they also have singularity of essence.
There is only one single, solitary Being in existence, who is God. There
are not three relationally united God Beings. You promote idolatry.
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They are One Spirit, One Lord, and One God, but God placed separation in
Himself to allow us to become One with Him. Think of the Red Sea
parting, One Sea, but God opened the way for the Israelites, but at no
point did it ever change from being One Red Sea.
That is what you call human understanding, for which you criticize me if I do
so.
Notice how quickly and easily you recognize human understanding when
someone else uses it, but you are completely blind to your own human
understanding and reasoning in this matter.

• You've said "as One", when the Bible says "one". That's your reasoning
and understanding, not what Scripture reveals.

• You've tried to limit God's Being to what you understand about human
relationships.

• You've tried to claim to the effect that God promised you all
knowledge about Himself, when it actually says knowledge about the
"things" that God freely gives us to understand.

• Most idolatrously, you appear to flat out claim there is not only a
single God Being, but three God Beings who are simply relationallly
united. That's your reasoning, not what the Bible teaches.
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And to cover what you missed here, there was dry land between the two,
thus separating the waters. The barrier was in place as real and fixed as if
their was a mountain separating the two waters.
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Why then did Jesus, after he was resurrected tell Mary I go to see My God
and Your God?
You are too caught up in the materialism, in the idea you can contain
God in your mind.
That statement is correct.
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Not at all.
Yes, entirely.
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You are trying to rationalize with your mind, things that are
spiritual, and then have confusion because you are unfamiliar with the things
of the spirit, which all men are are limited because we see through a glass
darkly.
No. It's you in this case. See above.
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“Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my
Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father,
and your Father; and to my God, and your God.” (Jhn 20:17, KJV)
That scripture is as true now as the last time it was pointed out to you.
Yes. And it doesn't teach what you're claiming. It appears you believe
in three God Beings who are simply relationally united like a husband
and wife. The Bible says there is only one God Being, and none beside
Him. There are not three God Beings. Only one.
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The Red Sea was simply coming back together.
It was rejoined and in doing so it judged the Egyptians.
Like Jesus, it was the path, the way, Through which Salvation to the
Israelites was provided, yet many which were saved returned to their old ways
and so they died, never receiving the Promised Land. Jesus is also the one
who judges all men. As those people fell, that were saved Via doubt and
disbelief, so it is with many in the church today, and for that reason Jesus
said, ...
Luk 21:34 (KJV) And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be
overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and
sothat day come upon you unawares.
Luk 21:35 (KJV) For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the
face of the whole earth.
Luk 21:36 (KJV) Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted
worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand
before the Son of man.
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Who was the ‘US’, in “let us make man in ‘our’ image?
One God.
Correct.
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You are trying to capture God in material terms; you can't, it
is impossible because He is more than material terms. Why do you need
the scriptures to mean what you want them to mean to walk with God?
In this case, that is correct.
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Gen 1:26 (KJV) And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our
likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the
fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every
creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Notice the “ in and our ” statements that Jesus made. Not man, Did God
really not mean to say that? Is that what you are suggesting?
Three persons, one Being. Not three God Beings who are but relationally
united.
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Perhaps this is a good time to again say, what does the word God mean, how
many meanings are there to the word. And when does it mean Master, Elohim,
YHWH, Satan, a JUDGE, At one time Elohim was used loosely in a generic sense
by man who worshipped what they called gods and called them Elohim. This is a
topic you should study.
There are things about God which we only know of from the Old Testament
to be sure. But the New Testament gives us the fuller picture and the
more detailed information on God's nature. Any time someone flees from
New Testament Revelation to Old Testament revelation to make a case
about God which He cannot make from the more progressive revelation of
the New Testament, it is a red flag pointing to error. The fact you're
trying to make your case from the Old Testament, rather than the light
of the New Testament, is a sign that you're trying to read your own
theology about God into the Bible, contrary to what the New Testament says.
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Was there two Gods in the garden with Adam and Eve?
There was the God of this earth, Who walked with them, and there was also the
Heavenly Father, the “Ancient One” as written in the OT. But it was only
Jesus who walked with them.
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Is it necessary that the Holy Spirit repeat all that resides in Scripture to
your in order for you to believe them?
Perhaps you don't, as yet, have the understanding the Lord would have
you have?
If you knew all things then there would be nothing new to reveal to you.
• If you could see everything, there would be nothing left to show you.

• If you understood every language, there would be nothing you couldn’t
translate.

• If you had already arrived everywhere, there would be nowhere left to go.

• If you remembered everything, there would be nothing you could forget.

• If you held every answer, there would be no questions left to ask.

There. Was that self-evident enough for you?
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Instead of making a ‘god’ out of the Bible,
Instead of making a "god" out of your words, how about I acknowledge the
Bible as God's word (2 Timothy 3:15-16)?
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why not read it for what its,
and for the reasons that it gives, and do as Jesus did, show his disciples
the truth of scriptures, and where he was to be found in them.
Which is exactly what I've been saying all along. The Scriptures point
to Jesus (John 5:39; Luke 24:27), and they are the vehicle of imparting
faith in Jesus (Romans 1:16; 10:17; John 20:30-31; 1 Corinthians
15:1-4). You don't come to saving faith in Jesus, apart from God's word.
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There is so much more to say but I have already said, many times, enough
for you to grasp and understand if you were willing.
You are not interacting with me as you see me, Robert, you are
interacting with the Lord.
It depends on how you mean that. Matthew 25:40 shows that Jesus takes it
personally how others treat His people. In helping or not helping Jesus'
people, they are doing it to Jesus. But this is not to be confused with
the idea that whatever you happen to do or say is equivalent to
interacting with the Lord Himself.
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Sorry Bubba, but I have direct access to the Lord. The things I have been
speaking of here, He showed me as well as gave me the understandings of it.
That is not to say that the Lord does not speak to others via his servants,
for he does. In those cases it is obvious for the Spirit of the Father bears
witness within ones heart which the scriptures also says and bears witness
to.
There are a number of instances above, where you both modified (changed
"one" to "as one"), and contradicted what Scripture says (the idea there
are three eternally self-existent "Gods", who are united only in
relationship, not divine essence). In that you clearly contradict what
the Bible teaches. There is only a single, solitary being who is God.
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That is what Paul was saying when he said, "Be followers of me.”
The rest of that verse says “even as I also of Christ” IOW Follow or
imitate Christ.
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Paul was merely a vessel; all the glory is the Lord's.
Correct.
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I am aware of how God speaks and how he confirms His words.
Many a cult leader speaks exactly as you have spoken, with many dying as a
direct result of that.
Paul would never mock God by making fun of the gift of
tongues.
Paul would never mock God by faking tongues like Charismatics do.
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Nor would he use any foul language. By His fruits we knew him and by
your fruits you likewise are known.
Yet you have no problem opposing and trying to poison people's minds
against accurate proclamations of the gospel in here, if someone other
than you is making them. Filthy communication is a manifestation of our
sin nature, but so is bitter envy that opposes those who promote the
truth, out of demonically inspired envy (James 3:14-15;
https://christrose.news/demonic-wisdom).
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The Lord Jesus Christ was always and is always perfect; only God is the
source of perfection.
Yet the words Jesus spoke were the words of His Father, he stated clearly
that these were not His own personal words. Yes, Jesus was sinless. From
birth and throughout his life. At his death he became ’sin’ for us.
If you mean He turned dirty then you have said a very bad thing. For
one, He is always was, is, and will be forever what He has always been.
Or to say it another way, a spotless lamb doesn't become spotted when it
is being slaughtered for the sins of slaughters.
"If".
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Him
who knew no sin, in order to pay the price, the ransom price for all who
will believe.
“For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be
made the righteousness of God in him.” (2Co 5:21, KJV)
It means He was was "made" to be sin for us, not that he was made sin.
If I say to the judge, I will take the death penalty for that man's
murder, that does not make my personhood a murderer. Yes, I pay the
price for the sin, but that does not make me a murderer!
Actually the words “to be” was not part of that scripture, it was
infected for clarities sake. It really said "He was made sin for us."
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You said yourself, "Jesus was sinless." He was, is, and always will be.
The scripture said “who knew no sin” His Father made him sin IOW placed
all the sins of mankind upon Him for which Jesus paid the price for all of
us. Jesus knew full well what was going to happen as he made clear in the
garden of Gethsemane when He asked his Father, if it be possible, take this
cup away from me. He knew of the intense misery that he was about to bear.
Yes. He was without sin, because of the life he lived. He lived as man,
subject to all the temptations of men, yet he fulfilled all the Law, and was
sinless. As unspotted as a sacrificial lamb. For that reason hell could not
contain him. And YES the sin he bore took him to the deepest part of hell.
Christ fully paid our sin debt by dying in our place ("it is finished"),
not by suffering in Gehenna. However (in case James has to be
listening), this does not mean that a person can simply die physically
to atone for his sins. A human death is of finite value. Our sins are
against an infinite God. Eternal torment in the lake of fire is the
destiny of those who reject Christ's propitiating atonement for their sins.

As McGee notes

"Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into
the lower parts of the earth?" (Eph 4:9, KJV)

The logical explanation of these verses is that since Christ ascended,
He must have of necessity descended at some previous period. Some see
only the Incarnation in this. The early church fathers saw in it the
work of Christ in bringing the Old Testament saints out of paradise up
to the throne of God. We are told that He descended into hell. It is not
necessary, however, to assume that He entered into some form of
suffering after His death. His incarnation and death were His
humiliation and descent, and they were adequate to bring the redeemed of
the Old Testament into the presence of God. That would explain His
fullness here. “He that descended is the same also that ascended up far
above all heavens, that he might fill all things.” I recognize, however,
that there are other interpretations (McGee Ephesians 4:9).
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But then all these things you should know and be aware of before I even
brought them to you from the scriptures. Eh?
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Think about it, throughout the history of Man a Lamb was sacrificed for sin.
Not just any lamb, but one that was perfect and without a flaw. The prime of
the prime.
And His character, His being did not change.
He died as man does, not God.
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Jesus was the “lamb of God that taketh away all the sin”
Amen. Spotless, pure, holy, and not act of man ever made Him otherwise.
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“The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb
of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.” (Jhn 1:29, KJV)
How did He do that?
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Why are you beholden to the doctrine of the trinity as propagated by the RCC?
Don't go off the reservation, Robert, if you do, it'll end the discussion.
Fine then I will stop it here. the Bible does not teach the trinity. Never
did. It is a doctrine of men.
The Bible doesn't say the word "trinity". It does in fact teach that
there is only one God Being, but that three distinct persons are God.
They are one not in the mere sense of relational unity, but in divine
essence. There are not three God Beings who are simply united by
relationship or purpose. They are a single, solitary God Being--your
inability to comprehend that not withstanding.
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How can one person be three different persons? Are they a shape shifter?
One Spirit. Remember, post the fall the only reason we got a Son of God
in the flesh is because God had to place separation in Himself (make a
way) in order to bring His children back to and into Him.
Jesus was not born without a spirit. Man was created with a body soul and
spirit. We all propagated after our own kind. Which we were created to do and
be. We are to worship God the Father and pray to Him. Not to Jesus. (Which is
hard to do solely, as Jesus Christ was our redeemer.) Yet we are commanded to
do so, and Jesus gave us the reasoning behind that in the scripture.
There is no problem if you believe in One God.
I always pray to the Lord because...that is the way God chose to
identify and identifies with us; God with us. Thomas didn't have a
problem being in obeisance to the Lord Jesus because He SAW God before
Him, the One God. It is not about material terms, but spiritual reality.
Yes. There is only a solitary Being who is God. Yet there are three
distinct persons (Father, Son, and Spirit). The Father is not the Son or
Holy Spirit. The Son (although He owns the title of Everlasting Father
which is a title of authority for the king) is not the Father or Spirit.
The Spirit is not the Father or Son. All three, however, are God
individually. Yet there is only one God Being. Whether that makes sense
to a finite creature does not determine whether or not it is true.
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But if you want to see with the eyes of facts and bible doctrine
(ChristRose modus operandi) you won't be able to see with the eyes of
faith, which incidentally, is the only way to see God.
Lies. If you think we get a more accurate understanding of God from what
you say about God than what God's word says about God, you are a liar
and deceiver.
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Mankind is not the children of God, for they follow another.
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Three can be a Godhead, a corporate entity in todays terms, and they can all
be at one in total agreement, yet one is the final authority, as a husband is
to the man and woman being one as ordained by God. They are one in Christ as
he is in the Heavenly Father.
You can't contain God in physical terms or material terms; if you could,
you would be greater than God.
Of course not. Only a fool would declare that he could.
It is not what a man declares in his material world, but what he
does...in the Spirit.
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He is One Spirit; Father and Son are God, One and the Same, One Holy
Spirit. God is everywhere and in everything; the Father as we see Him
and the Son as we see Him; both are God. There is only One God.
Cam you define nor understand ‘one’ as spoken in the scriptures.
?
Robert idiotically and idolatrously promotes the idea that three God
Beings exist, and are simply united in a relationship. There is only one
God Being and essence, not two or three. Robert promotes ignorance and
idolatry.
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Believers become one with Christ and with other believers, not by
merging into the essence of God, but by being brought into intimate
fellowship with Him. This union is relational and covenantal, reflecting
harmony, shared purpose, and participation in God’s life through Christ.
It fulfills Jesus’ prayer in John 17:21: "that they may all be one, just
as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You, that they also may be in Us."
“Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of
judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.” (1Jn 4:17, KJV)
Physically? No. Spiritually? Yes. Is not the Born Again Man born of the
Heavenly Father?
I stated something the other day which surprised me, and I am yet to
revisit and meditate further on.
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In short, believers do not BECOME The Eternally Self-existing GOD
when > they are made one in Christ.
And my reply to our rosie Rosie...
Yes, they do. Family is family and is eternal self-existent Oneness in
and of God.
And this was explained to me by the Holy Spirit...
"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."
You see, it is about the nature and glory of God. He is a "withhold
nothing" God whose love is all inclusive.
Eph 3:20 Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all
that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,
The power of what?
The Holy Spirt, who dwells within the Spirit of Born Again Man.
Now, what would you think if I said to you, since a son is immersed (in
the vine) in God that he is actually the full expression of the Holy
Spirit since the Lord Jesus is his Lord?
I'd say you're approaching Chung-hood. You suffer from the delusion that
every idea that pops into your head is the Holy Spirit Himself speaking.
Then you turn around and try to kill people's faith in God's actual
word, calling it idolatry to base your faith on what God Himself said,
because it interferes with the delusion that your words are God's words.
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Here you go...
1Jn_4:17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in
the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.
"Family is family and is eternal self-existent Oneness in and of God.
Boldness! How can a sinner have boldness?
He can't.
Liar. He can have boldness by confessing His sin and being forgiven and
cleansed of it (1 John 1:8-2:2).
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You need to have faith in God and lean not on your own sinner
understanding. You are your own very bad enemy.
As I told you before, and recently, I learned that and started practicing
that many decades ago, whether you believe me or not.
That was to ChristRosie the sinless sinner christian.
Also, it may be that you don't put it into practice because it is
inherent and you can't be any other way. Of course a man can think any
number of ways, but where the rubber meets the road, the bottom line,
his action is faith (leaning not on one's own understanding).
His action is evidence and validation of his faith. Faith comes by
hearing, and hearing by the word of God (Romans 1:16; 10:17; John
20:30-31; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4). So you get faith from God's word. You
evidence faith by what you do.
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One cannot
be in God and be your own Lord at any point.
Then stop denying that you retain a sin nature and should confess your
sins to God every day

“Pray then like this: “Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name. Your
kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Give us
this day our daily bread, and forgive us our debts, as we also have
forgiven our debtors.” (Matthew 6:9–12, ESV)

“If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in
us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our
sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not
sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.” (1 John 1:8–10, ESV)


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Source

McGee, J.V. (1991) Thru the Bible commentary: Ephesians. electronic ed.
Nashville: Thomas Nelson.
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Have you heard the good news Christ died for our sins (†), and God
raised Him from the dead?

That Christ died for our sins shows we're sinners who deserve the death
penalty. That God raised Him from the dead shows Christ's death
satisfied God's righteous demands against our sin (Romans 3:25; 1 John
2:1-2). This means God can now remain just, while forgiving you of your
sins, and saving you from eternal damnation.

On the basis of Christ's death and resurrection for our sins, call on
the name of the Lord to save you: "For 'everyone who calls on the name
of the Lord will be saved.'" (Romans 10:13, ESV)

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There is only One God, Robert, only ever been One God. It was explained,
God placed separation in Himself, both sides of the veil...God.
One as in Unity.
One as in essence and Being, not just relational unity. There are not
three God Beiungs who united into one godhead. There is only one
eternally self-existing Being who is God.
That's right, but you blow it below when you say He is three distinct
persons, He is not.

He is One Person, One Lord, One God.

My "essence," your "essence" if not 3 distinct persons. We were made in
His image.

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Three distinct persons, only one God Being. But no, Robert has to have a
God that can be fully explained, and fit in the palm of his hand, so He
denies there is only one God Being.
How's your palm? Innocent? :-).




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“I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is
just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath
sent me. If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true. There is
another that beareth witness of me; and I know that the witness which he
witnesseth of me is true.” (Jhn 5:30-32, KJV)
Idem.
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Why didn’t Jesus tell John the Baptist about his being anointed by the
Holy Spirit of God the Father, face to face if he was the Heavenly Father?
Have you the exhaustive mind of God?
As was said, you can't bring God down to a material calculation. "One
Spirit. Mankind naturally looks at God and tries to reason Him into
physical terms. It won't and can't work."
That is correct. He exceeds human comprehension (Romans 11:33).
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This is a preeminent theme in the verse I have been quoting lately...
Pro 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine
own understanding.
If you could bring down God to a mental concept capable of being
captured by the human mind, it wouldn't be of faith.
Correct.
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Yet as a believer this is true,... “But the natural man receiveth not the
things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can
he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. But he that is
spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. For who
hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the
mind of Christ.” (1Co 2:14-16, KJV)
This addresses all that you stated above, but the correct way, which is the
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reality of the believer in Jesus the Christ.
Note from 1 Corinthians 2: "the things freely given us by God".
"Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is
from God, that we might understand the things freely given us by God" (1
Corinthians 2:12, ESV).
This doesn't mean the Spirit imparts everything there is to know about
God to the mind of the believer. It means He imparts a deep
understanding of the things "freely given us by God". There are certain
things God has given us to know about Him. The understanding we receive
applies to those things, not to everything there is to know. You would
literally explode with overload if you tried to fully comprehend God.
And if you think you wouldn't, you worship a finite God of your own
invention.
“Oh, the depth of the riches and wisdom and knowledge of God! How
unsearchable are his judgments and how inscrutable his ways!” (Romans
11:33, ESV)
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And If God the Father gave us His Glory, His power, to be born as Jesus, who
then was the ruler of ALL Heaven?
As above.
Is there only One God? And is the Lord Jesus God? I would hope you would
say yes to both questions.
If I did I would not be true to the word of God.
Liar. There is only a single, solitary God Being. To contend otherwise
is to promote idolatry. Three distinct persons, one God. You struggle
with that because you insist that God must not exceed your comprehension.
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They are ‘as one’.
Notice that he is the one who now pretends to quote when he's actually
just citing his own words, not Scripture. The Bible does not God is "as"
one, but just that He is "one". There is no other God beside Him. You
promote idolatry.
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Unified. Like a husband and wife are ‘one’.
Again, you try to reduce God to something you can understand and can
explain. You are trying to confuse relational unity with singularity of
essence or Being. There is only One God Being, not three united God
beings. To contend otherwise is to promote idolatry.
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And that is what the word of
God speaks to their relationship,
Now you admit you're talking about the relationship of the three
persons, not the essence or Being. You're trying to confuse relationship
with essence.
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yet the Husband is the one in authority or
the ‘head’ of the family. And Yes, this is established by God. It is
indeed His understanding and specified as such.
This is relational unity, not unity of Being. The Father, Son, and
Spirit have relational unity, but they also have singularity of essence.
There is only one single, solitary Being in existence, who is God. There
are not three relationally united God Beings. You promote idolatry.
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They are One Spirit, One Lord, and One God, but God placed separation in
Himself to allow us to become One with Him. Think of the Red Sea
parting, One Sea, but God opened the way for the Israelites, but at no
point did it ever change from being One Red Sea.
That is what you call human understanding, for which you criticize me if I do
so.
Notice how quickly and easily you recognize human understanding when
someone else uses it, but you are completely blind to your own human
understanding and reasoning in this matter.
• You've said "as One", when the Bible says "one". That's your reasoning
and understanding, not what Scripture reveals.
• You've tried to limit God's Being to what you understand about human
relationships.
• You've tried to claim to the effect that God promised you all
knowledge about Himself, when it actually says knowledge about the
"things" that God freely gives us to understand.
• Most idolatrously, you appear to flat out claim there is not only a
single God Being, but three God Beings who are simply relationallly
united. That's your reasoning, not what the Bible teaches.
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And to cover what you missed here, there was dry land between the two,
thus separating the waters. The barrier was in place as real and fixed as if
their was a mountain separating the two waters.
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Why then did Jesus, after he was resurrected tell Mary I go to see My God
and Your God?
You are too caught up in the materialism, in the idea you can contain
God in your mind.
That statement is correct.
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Not at all.
Yes, entirely.
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You are trying to rationalize with your mind, things that are
spiritual, and then have confusion because you are unfamiliar with the things
of the spirit, which all men are are limited because we see through a glass
darkly.
No. It's you in this case. See above.
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“Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my
Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father,
and your Father; and to my God, and your God.” (Jhn 20:17, KJV)
That scripture is as true now as the last time it was pointed out to you.
Yes. And it doesn't teach what you're claiming. It appears you believe
in three God Beings who are simply relationally united like a husband
and wife. The Bible says there is only one God Being, and none beside
Him. There are not three God Beings. Only one.
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The Red Sea was simply coming back together.
It was rejoined and in doing so it judged the Egyptians.
Like Jesus, it was the path, the way, Through which Salvation to the
Israelites was provided, yet many which were saved returned to their old ways
and so they died, never receiving the Promised Land. Jesus is also the one
who judges all men. As those people fell, that were saved Via doubt and
disbelief, so it is with many in the church today, and for that reason Jesus
said, ...
Luk 21:34 (KJV) And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be
overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and
sothat day come upon you unawares.
Luk 21:35 (KJV) For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the
face of the whole earth.
Luk 21:36 (KJV) Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted
worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand
before the Son of man.
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Who was the ‘US’, in “let us make man in ‘our’ image?
One God.
Correct.
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You are trying to capture God in material terms; you can't, it
is impossible because He is more than material terms. Why do you need
the scriptures to mean what you want them to mean to walk with God?
In this case, that is correct.
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Gen 1:26 (KJV) And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our
likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the
fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every
creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Notice the “ in and our ” statements that Jesus made. Not man, Did God
really not mean to say that? Is that what you are suggesting?
Three persons, one Being. Not three God Beings who are but relationally
united.
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Perhaps this is a good time to again say, what does the word God mean, how
many meanings are there to the word. And when does it mean Master, Elohim,
YHWH, Satan, a JUDGE, At one time Elohim was used loosely in a generic sense
by man who worshipped what they called gods and called them Elohim. This is a
topic you should study.
There are things about God which we only know of from the Old Testament
to be sure. But the New Testament gives us the fuller picture and the
more detailed information on God's nature. Any time someone flees from
New Testament Revelation to Old Testament revelation to make a case
about God which He cannot make from the more progressive revelation of
the New Testament, it is a red flag pointing to error. The fact you're
trying to make your case from the Old Testament, rather than the light
of the New Testament, is a sign that you're trying to read your own
theology about God into the Bible, contrary to what the New Testament says.
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Was there two Gods in the garden with Adam and Eve?
There was the God of this earth, Who walked with them, and there was also the
Heavenly Father, the “Ancient One” as written in the OT. But it was only
Jesus who walked with them.
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Is it necessary that the Holy Spirit repeat all that resides in Scripture to
your in order for you to believe them?
Perhaps you don't, as yet, have the understanding the Lord would have
you have?
If you knew all things then there would be nothing new to reveal to you.
• If you could see everything, there would be nothing left to show you.
• If you understood every language, there would be nothing you couldn’t
translate.
• If you had already arrived everywhere, there would be nowhere left to go.
• If you remembered everything, there would be nothing you could forget.
• If you held every answer, there would be no questions left to ask.
There. Was that self-evident enough for you?
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Instead of making a ‘god’ out of the Bible,
Instead of making a "god" out of your words, how about I acknowledge the
Bible as God's word (2 Timothy 3:15-16)?
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why not read it for what its,
and for the reasons that it gives, and do as Jesus did, show his disciples
the truth of scriptures, and where he was to be found in them.
Which is exactly what I've been saying all along. The Scriptures point
to Jesus (John 5:39; Luke 24:27), and they are the vehicle of imparting
faith in Jesus (Romans 1:16; 10:17; John 20:30-31; 1 Corinthians
15:1-4). You don't come to saving faith in Jesus, apart from God's word.
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There is so much more to say but I have already said, many times, enough
for you to grasp and understand if you were willing.
You are not interacting with me as you see me, Robert, you are
interacting with the Lord.
It depends on how you mean that. Matthew 25:40 shows that Jesus takes it
personally how others treat His people. In helping or not helping Jesus'
people, they are doing it to Jesus. But this is not to be confused with
the idea that whatever you happen to do or say is equivalent to
interacting with the Lord Himself.
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Sorry Bubba, but I have direct access to the Lord. The things I have been
speaking of here, He showed me as well as gave me the understandings of it.
That is not to say that the Lord does not speak to others via his servants,
for he does. In those cases it is obvious for the Spirit of the Father bears
witness within ones heart which the scriptures also says and bears witness
to.
There are a number of instances above, where you both modified (changed
"one" to "as one"), and contradicted what Scripture says (the idea there
are three eternally self-existent "Gods", who are united only in
relationship, not divine essence). In that you clearly contradict what
the Bible teaches. There is only a single, solitary being who is God.
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That is what Paul was saying when he said, "Be followers of me.”
The rest of that verse says “even as I also of Christ” IOW Follow or
imitate Christ.
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Paul was merely a vessel; all the glory is the Lord's.
Correct.
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I am aware of how God speaks and how he confirms His words.
Many a cult leader speaks exactly as you have spoken, with many dying as a
direct result of that.
Paul would never mock God by making fun of the gift of
tongues.
Paul would never mock God by faking tongues like Charismatics do.
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Nor would he use any foul language. By His fruits we knew him and by
your fruits you likewise are known.
Yet you have no problem opposing and trying to poison people's minds
against accurate proclamations of the gospel in here, if someone other
than you is making them. Filthy communication is a manifestation of our
sin nature, but so is bitter envy that opposes those who promote the
truth, out of demonically inspired envy (James 3:14-15; https://
christrose.news/demonic-wisdom).
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The Lord Jesus Christ was always and is always perfect; only God is the
source of perfection.
Yet the words Jesus spoke were the words of His Father, he stated clearly
that these were not His own personal words. Yes, Jesus was sinless. From
birth and throughout his life. At his death he became ’sin’ for us.
If you mean He turned dirty then you have said a very bad thing. For
one, He is always was, is, and will be forever what He has always been.
Or to say it another way, a spotless lamb doesn't become spotted when it
is being slaughtered for the sins of slaughters.
"If".
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Him
who knew no sin, in order to pay the price, the ransom price for all who
will believe.
“For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be
made the righteousness of God in him.” (2Co 5:21, KJV)
It means He was was "made" to be sin for us, not that he was made sin.
If I say to the judge, I will take the death penalty for that man's
murder, that does not make my personhood a murderer. Yes, I pay the
price for the sin, but that does not make me a murderer!
Actually the words “to be” was not part of that scripture, it was
infected for clarities sake. It really said "He was made sin for us."
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You said yourself, "Jesus was sinless." He was, is, and always will be.
The scripture said “who knew no sin” His Father made him sin IOW placed
all the sins of mankind upon Him for which Jesus paid the price for all of
us. Jesus knew full well what was going to happen as he made clear in the
garden of Gethsemane when He asked his Father, if it be possible, take this
cup away from me. He knew of the intense misery that he was about to bear.
Yes. He was without sin, because of the life he lived. He lived as man,
subject to all the temptations of men, yet he fulfilled all the Law, and was
sinless. As unspotted as a sacrificial lamb. For that reason hell could not
contain him. And YES the sin he bore took him to the deepest part of hell.
Christ fully paid our sin debt by dying in our place ("it is finished"),
not by suffering in Gehenna. However (in case James has to be
listening), this does not mean that a person can simply die physically
to atone for his sins. A human death is of finite value. Our sins are
against an infinite God. Eternal torment in the lake of fire is the
destiny of those who reject Christ's propitiating atonement for their sins.
As McGee notes
"Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into
the lower parts of the earth?" (Eph 4:9, KJV)
The logical explanation of these verses is that since Christ ascended,
He must have of necessity descended at some previous period. Some see
only the Incarnation in this. The early church fathers saw in it the
work of Christ in bringing the Old Testament saints out of paradise up
to the throne of God. We are told that He descended into hell. It is not
necessary, however, to assume that He entered into some form of
suffering after His death. His incarnation and death were His
humiliation and descent, and they were adequate to bring the redeemed of
the Old Testament into the presence of God. That would explain His
fullness here. “He that descended is the same also that ascended up far
above all heavens, that he might fill all things.” I recognize, however,
that there are other interpretations (McGee Ephesians 4:9).
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But then all these things you should know and be aware of before I even
brought them to you from the scriptures. Eh?
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Think about it, throughout the history of Man a Lamb was sacrificed for sin.
Not just any lamb, but one that was perfect and without a flaw. The prime of
the prime.
And His character, His being did not change.
He died as man does, not God.
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Jesus was the “lamb of God that taketh away all the sin”
Amen. Spotless, pure, holy, and not act of man ever made Him otherwise.
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“The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb
of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.” (Jhn 1:29, KJV)
How did He do that?
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Why are you beholden to the doctrine of the trinity as propagated by
the
RCC?
Don't go off the reservation, Robert, if you do, it'll end the discussion.
Fine then I will stop it here. the Bible does not teach the trinity. Never
did. It is a doctrine of men.
The Bible doesn't say the word "trinity". It does in fact teach that
there is only one God Being, but that three distinct persons are God.
They are one not in the mere sense of relational unity, but in divine
essence. There are not three God Beings who are simply united by
relationship or purpose. They are a single, solitary God Being--your
inability to comprehend that not withstanding.
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How can one person be three different persons? Are they a shape shifter?
One Spirit. Remember, post the fall the only reason we got a Son of God
in the flesh is because God had to place separation in Himself (make a
way) in order to bring His children back to and into Him.
Jesus was not born without a spirit. Man was created with a body soul and
spirit. We all propagated after our own kind. Which we were created
to do
and
be. We are to worship God the Father and pray to Him. Not to Jesus.
(Which
is
hard to do solely, as Jesus Christ was our redeemer.) Yet we are
commanded
to
do so, and Jesus gave us the reasoning behind that in the scripture.
There is no problem if you believe in One God.
I always pray to the Lord because...that is the way God chose to
identify and identifies with us; God with us. Thomas didn't have a
problem being in obeisance to the Lord Jesus because He SAW God before
Him, the One God. It is not about material terms, but spiritual reality.
Yes. There is only a solitary Being who is God. Yet there are three
distinct persons (Father, Son, and Spirit). The Father is not the Son or
Holy Spirit. The Son (although He owns the title of Everlasting Father
which is a title of authority for the king) is not the Father or Spirit.
The Spirit is not the Father or Son. All three, however, are God
individually. Yet there is only one God Being. Whether that makes sense
to a finite creature does not determine whether or not it is true.
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But if you want to see with the eyes of facts and bible doctrine
(ChristRose modus operandi) you won't be able to see with the eyes of
faith, which incidentally, is the only way to see God.
Lies. If you think we get a more accurate understanding of God from what
you say about God than what God's word says about God, you are a liar
and deceiver.
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Mankind is not the children of God, for they follow another.
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Three can be a Godhead, a corporate entity in todays terms, and
they can
all
be at one in total agreement, yet one is the final authority, as a husband is
to the man and woman being one as ordained by God. They are one in
Christ
as
he is in the Heavenly Father.
You can't contain God in physical terms or material terms; if you could,
you would be greater than God.
Of course not. Only a fool would declare that he could.
It is not what a man declares in his material world, but what he
does...in the Spirit.
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He is One Spirit; Father and Son are God, One and the Same, One Holy
Spirit. God is everywhere and in everything; the Father as we see Him
and the Son as we see Him; both are God. There is only One God.
Cam you define nor understand ‘one’ as spoken in the scriptures.
?
Robert idiotically and idolatrously promotes the idea that three God
Beings exist, and are simply united in a relationship. There is only one
God Being and essence, not two or three. Robert promotes ignorance and
idolatry.
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Believers become one with Christ and with other believers, not by
merging into the essence of God, but by being brought into intimate
fellowship with Him. This union is relational and covenantal, reflecting
harmony, shared purpose, and participation in God’s life through Christ.
It fulfills Jesus’ prayer in John 17:21: "that they may all be one, just
as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You, that they also may be in Us."
“Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the
day
of
judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.” (1Jn 4:17, KJV)
Physically? No. Spiritually? Yes. Is not the Born Again Man born of the
Heavenly Father?
I stated something the other day which surprised me, and I am yet to
revisit and meditate further on.
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In short, believers do not BECOME The Eternally Self-existing GOD
when >  they are made one in Christ.
And my reply to our rosie Rosie...
Yes, they do. Family is family and is eternal self-existent Oneness in
and of God.
And this was explained to me by the Holy Spirit...
"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."
You see, it is about the nature and glory of God. He is a "withhold
nothing" God whose love is all inclusive.
Eph 3:20 Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all
that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,
The power of what?
The Holy Spirt, who dwells within the Spirit of Born Again Man.
Now, what would you think if I said to you, since a son is immersed (in
the vine) in God that he is actually the full expression of the Holy
Spirit since the Lord Jesus is his Lord?
I'd say you're approaching Chung-hood. You suffer from the delusion that
every idea that pops into your head is the Holy Spirit Himself speaking.
Then you turn around and try to kill people's faith in God's actual
word, calling it idolatry to base your faith on what God Himself said,
because it interferes with the delusion that your words are God's words.
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Here you go...
1Jn_4:17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in
the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.
"Family is family and is eternal self-existent Oneness in and of God.
Boldness! How can a sinner have boldness?
He can't.
Liar. He can have boldness by confessing His sin and being forgiven and
cleansed of it (1 John 1:8-2:2).
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You need to have faith in God and lean not on your own sinner
understanding. You are your own very bad enemy.
As I told you before, and recently, I learned that and started practicing
that many decades ago, whether you believe me or not.
That was to ChristRosie the sinless sinner christian.
Also, it may be that you don't put it into practice because it is
inherent and you can't be any other way. Of course a man can think any
number of ways, but where the rubber meets the road, the bottom line,
his action is faith (leaning not on one's own understanding).
His action is evidence and validation of his faith. Faith comes by
hearing, and hearing by the word of God (Romans 1:16; 10:17; John
20:30-31; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4). So you get faith from God's word. You
evidence faith by what you do.
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One cannot
be in God and be your own Lord at any point.
Then stop denying that you retain a sin nature and should confess your
sins to God every day
“Pray then like this: “Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name. Your
kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Give us
this day our daily bread, and forgive us our debts, as we also have
forgiven our debtors.” (Matthew 6:9–12, ESV)
“If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in
us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our
sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not
sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.” (1 John 1:8–10, ESV)
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Source
McGee, J.V. (1991) Thru the Bible commentary: Ephesians. electronic ed.
Nashville: Thomas Nelson.
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God is God in all His Being. All the glory is His, for He is all glory.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything, He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free, and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

"The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence or proof is to be found."

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not so that a book could pass
through it for a sinner to play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: a man full of bluster and bullshit in his
meaninglessness pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

"What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence."

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God; God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

"Atheism: "The claim that life received from itself."

"But remember this: always, absolutely always, all the glory is the
Lord's and His alone, and anyone who takes any credit for anything, you
know, instantly, he is not what he pretends to be and is a false prophet."

"That light had to bear (bears all things) the darkness for us, but that
light did not ever become darkness."

"You must reach beyond the bible that tells you about Him, and into your
daily life to find Him in Person. He's there."

"What is wrong with Christendom? False understanding based on compromise."

"It is not in man to love his enemies. And if he tries, he is walking in
a lie and trying to raise himself up to the level of God."

"God has to be quiet now; we have our bible." Well, then, who is going
to speak?
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There is only One God, Robert, only ever been One God. It was explained,
God placed separation in Himself, both sides of the veil...God.
One as in Unity.
One as in essence and Being, not just relational unity. There are not
three God Beiungs who united into one godhead. There is only one
eternally self-existing Being who is God.
That's right, but you blow it below when you say He is three distinct
persons, He is not.
He is One Person, One Lord, One God.
My "essence," your "essence" if not 3 distinct persons. We were made in
His image.
1 Essence is correct. But the Father is not the Son or Spirit. The Son
is not the Spirit or Father ("Eternal Father" not withstanding, because
that is a King's title). The Spirit is not the Father or the Son. Jesus
didn't pray to Himself, and the voice that came from heaven wasn't His
own voice. There are three distinct persons, but only a single,
solitary, divine essence or Being. That's where it exceeds comprehension.
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Three distinct persons, only one God Being. But no, Robert has to have
a God that can be fully explained, and fit in the palm of his hand, so
He denies there is only one God Being.
How's your palm? Innocent? :-).
Yes, since I cannot, nor do I pretend to be able to explain the fact
that there is only one single God Being and essence, yet three distinct
persons. Nor can I understand how each of them, individually, can be
fully God, while there are not three Gods. I simply accept the fact
there is only one divine Being, and that there are three distinct
persons, without being able to wrap my mind around it.
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“I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is
just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath
sent me. If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true. There is
another that beareth witness of me; and I know that the witness which he
witnesseth of me is true.” (Jhn 5:30-32, KJV)
Idem.
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Why didn’t Jesus tell John the Baptist about his being anointed by the
Holy Spirit of God the Father, face to face if he was the Heavenly Father?
Have you the exhaustive mind of God?
As was said, you can't bring God down to a material calculation. "One
Spirit. Mankind naturally looks at God and tries to reason Him into
physical terms. It won't and can't work."
That is correct. He exceeds human comprehension (Romans 11:33).
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This is a preeminent theme in the verse I have been quoting lately...
Pro 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine
own understanding.
If you could bring down God to a mental concept capable of being
captured by the human mind, it wouldn't be of faith.
Correct.
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Yet as a believer this is true,... “But the natural man receiveth not the
things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can
he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. But he that is
spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. For who
hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the
mind of Christ.” (1Co 2:14-16, KJV)
This addresses all that you stated above, but the correct way, which is the
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reality of the believer in Jesus the Christ.
Note from 1 Corinthians 2: "the things freely given us by God".
"Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who
is from God, that we might understand the things freely given us by
God" (1 Corinthians 2:12, ESV).
This doesn't mean the Spirit imparts everything there is to know about
God to the mind of the believer. It means He imparts a deep
understanding of the things "freely given us by God". There are
certain things God has given us to know about Him. The understanding
we receive applies to those things, not to everything there is to
know. You would literally explode with overload if you tried to fully
comprehend God. And if you think you wouldn't, you worship a finite
God of your own invention.
“Oh, the depth of the riches and wisdom and knowledge of God! How
unsearchable are his judgments and how inscrutable his ways!” (Romans
11:33, ESV)
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And If God the Father gave us His Glory, His power, to be born as Jesus, who
then was the ruler of ALL Heaven?
As above.
Is there only One God? And is the Lord Jesus God? I would hope you would
say yes to both questions.
If I did I would not be true to the word of God.
Liar. There is only a single, solitary God Being. To contend otherwise
is to promote idolatry. Three distinct persons, one God. You struggle
with that because you insist that God must not exceed your comprehension.
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They are ‘as one’.
Notice that he is the one who now pretends to quote when he's actually
just citing his own words, not Scripture. The Bible does not God is
"as" one, but just that He is "one". There is no other God beside Him.
You promote idolatry.
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Unified. Like a husband and wife are ‘one’.
Again, you try to reduce God to something you can understand and can
explain. You are trying to confuse relational unity with singularity
of essence or Being. There is only One God Being, not three united God
beings. To contend otherwise is to promote idolatry.
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And that is what the word of
God speaks to their relationship,
Now you admit you're talking about the relationship of the three
persons, not the essence or Being. You're trying to confuse
relationship with essence.
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yet the Husband is the one in authority or
the ‘head’ of the family. And Yes, this is established by God. It is
indeed His understanding and specified as such.
This is relational unity, not unity of Being. The Father, Son, and
Spirit have relational unity, but they also have singularity of
essence. There is only one single, solitary Being in existence, who is
God. There are not three relationally united God Beings. You promote
idolatry.
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They are One Spirit, One Lord, and One God, but God placed
separation in
Himself to allow us to become One with Him. Think of the Red Sea
parting, One Sea, but God opened the way for the Israelites, but at no
point did it ever change from being One Red Sea.
That is what you call human understanding, for which you criticize me if I do
so.
Notice how quickly and easily you recognize human understanding when
someone else uses it, but you are completely blind to your own human
understanding and reasoning in this matter.
• You've said "as One", when the Bible says "one". That's your
reasoning and understanding, not what Scripture reveals.
• You've tried to limit God's Being to what you understand about human
relationships.
• You've tried to claim to the effect that God promised you all
knowledge about Himself, when it actually says knowledge about the
"things" that God freely gives us to understand.
• Most idolatrously, you appear to flat out claim there is not only a
single God Being, but three God Beings who are simply relationallly
united. That's your reasoning, not what the Bible teaches.
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And to cover what you missed here, there was dry land between the two,
thus separating the waters. The barrier was in place as real and fixed as if
their was a mountain separating the two waters.
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Why then did Jesus, after he was resurrected tell Mary I go to see My God
and Your God?
You are too caught up in the materialism, in the idea you can contain
God in your mind.
That statement is correct.
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Not at all.
Yes, entirely.
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You are trying to rationalize with your mind, things that are
spiritual, and then have confusion because you are unfamiliar with the things
of the spirit, which all men are are limited because we see through a glass
darkly.
No. It's you in this case. See above.
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“Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my
Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father,
and your Father; and to my God, and your God.” (Jhn 20:17, KJV)
That scripture is as true now as the last time it was pointed out to you.
Yes. And it doesn't teach what you're claiming. It appears you believe
in three God Beings who are simply relationally united like a husband
and wife. The Bible says there is only one God Being, and none beside
Him. There are not three God Beings. Only one.
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The Red Sea was simply coming back together.
It was rejoined and in doing so it judged the Egyptians.
Like Jesus, it was the path, the way, Through which Salvation to the
Israelites was provided, yet many which were saved returned to their old ways
and so they died, never receiving the Promised Land. Jesus is also the one
who judges all men. As those people fell, that were saved Via doubt and
disbelief, so it is with many in the church today, and for that reason Jesus
said, ...
Luk 21:34 (KJV) And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be
overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and
sothat day come upon you unawares.
Luk 21:35 (KJV) For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the
face of the whole earth.
Luk 21:36 (KJV) Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted
worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand
before the Son of man.
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Who was the ‘US’, in “let us make man in ‘our’ image?
One God.
Correct.
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You are trying to capture God in material terms; you can't, it
is impossible because He is more than material terms. Why do you need
the scriptures to mean what you want them to mean to walk with God?
In this case, that is correct.
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Gen 1:26 (KJV) And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our
likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the
fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every
creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Notice the “ in and our ” statements that Jesus made. Not man, Did God
really not mean to say that? Is that what you are suggesting?
Three persons, one Being. Not three God Beings who are but
relationally united.
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Perhaps this is a good time to again say, what does the word God mean, how
many meanings are there to the word. And when does it mean Master, Elohim,
YHWH, Satan, a JUDGE, At one time Elohim was used loosely in a generic sense
by man who worshipped what they called gods and called them Elohim. This is a
topic you should study.
There are things about God which we only know of from the Old
Testament to be sure. But the New Testament gives us the fuller
picture and the more detailed information on God's nature. Any time
someone flees from New Testament Revelation to Old Testament
revelation to make a case about God which He cannot make from the more
progressive revelation of the New Testament, it is a red flag pointing
to error. The fact you're trying to make your case from the Old
Testament, rather than the light of the New Testament, is a sign that
you're trying to read your own theology about God into the Bible,
contrary to what the New Testament says.
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Was there two Gods in the garden with Adam and Eve?
There was the God of this earth, Who walked with them, and there was also the
Heavenly Father, the “Ancient One” as written in the OT. But it was only
Jesus who walked with them.
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Is it necessary that the Holy Spirit repeat all that resides in Scripture to
your in order for you to believe them?
Perhaps you don't, as yet, have the understanding the Lord would have
you have?
If you knew all things then there would be nothing new to reveal to you.
• If you could see everything, there would be nothing left to show you.
• If you understood every language, there would be nothing you
couldn’t translate.
• If you had already arrived everywhere, there would be nowhere left to go.
• If you remembered everything, there would be nothing you could forget.
• If you held every answer, there would be no questions left to ask.
There. Was that self-evident enough for you?
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Instead of making a ‘god’ out of the Bible,
Instead of making a "god" out of your words, how about I acknowledge
the Bible as God's word (2 Timothy 3:15-16)?
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why not read it for what its,
and for the reasons that it gives, and do as Jesus did, show his disciples
the truth of scriptures, and where he was to be found in them.
Which is exactly what I've been saying all along. The Scriptures point
to Jesus (John 5:39; Luke 24:27), and they are the vehicle of
imparting faith in Jesus (Romans 1:16; 10:17; John 20:30-31; 1
Corinthians 15:1-4). You don't come to saving faith in Jesus, apart
from God's word.
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There is so much more to say but I have already said, many times, enough
for you to grasp and understand if you were willing.
You are not interacting with me as you see me, Robert, you are
interacting with the Lord.
It depends on how you mean that. Matthew 25:40 shows that Jesus takes
it personally how others treat His people. In helping or not helping
Jesus' people, they are doing it to Jesus. But this is not to be
confused with the idea that whatever you happen to do or say is
equivalent to interacting with the Lord Himself.
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Sorry Bubba, but I have direct access to the Lord. The things I have been
speaking of here, He showed me as well as gave me the understandings of it.
That is not to say that the Lord does not speak to others via his servants,
for he does. In those cases it is obvious for the Spirit of the Father bears
witness within ones heart which the scriptures also says and bears witness
to.
There are a number of instances above, where you both modified
(changed "one" to "as one"), and contradicted what Scripture says (the
idea there are three eternally self-existent "Gods", who are united
only in relationship, not divine essence). In that you clearly
contradict what the Bible teaches. There is only a single, solitary
being who is God.
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That is what Paul was saying when he said, "Be followers of me.”
The rest of that verse says “even as I also of Christ” IOW Follow or
imitate Christ.
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Paul was merely a vessel; all the glory is the Lord's.
Correct.
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I am aware of how God speaks and how he confirms His words.
Many a cult leader speaks exactly as you have spoken, with many dying as a
direct result of that.
Paul would never mock God by making fun of the gift of
tongues.
Paul would never mock God by faking tongues like Charismatics do.
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Nor would he use any foul language. By His fruits we knew him and by
your fruits you likewise are known.
Yet you have no problem opposing and trying to poison people's minds
against accurate proclamations of the gospel in here, if someone other
than you is making them. Filthy communication is a manifestation of
our sin nature, but so is bitter envy that opposes those who promote
the truth, out of demonically inspired envy (James 3:14-15; https://
christrose.news/demonic-wisdom).
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The Lord Jesus Christ was always and is always perfect; only God is the
source of perfection.
Yet the words Jesus spoke were the words of His Father, he stated clearly
that these were not His own personal words. Yes, Jesus was sinless. From
birth and throughout his life. At his death he became ’sin’ for us.
If you mean He turned dirty then you have said a very bad thing. For
one, He is always was, is, and will be forever what He has always been.
Or to say it another way, a spotless lamb doesn't become spotted when it
is being slaughtered for the sins of slaughters.
"If".
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Him
who knew no sin, in order to pay the price, the ransom price for all who
will believe.
“For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be
made the righteousness of God in him.” (2Co 5:21, KJV)
It means He was was "made" to be sin for us, not that he was made sin.
If I say to the judge, I will take the death penalty for that man's
murder, that does not make my personhood a murderer. Yes, I pay the
price for the sin, but that does not make me a murderer!
Actually the words “to be” was not part of that scripture, it was
infected for clarities sake. It really said "He was made sin for us."
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You said yourself, "Jesus was sinless." He was, is, and always will be.
The scripture said “who knew no sin” His Father made him sin IOW placed
all the sins of mankind upon Him for which Jesus paid the price for all of
us. Jesus knew full well what was going to happen as he made clear in the
garden of Gethsemane when He asked his Father, if it be possible, take this
cup away from me. He knew of the intense misery that he was about to bear.
Yes. He was without sin, because of the life he lived. He lived as man,
subject to all the temptations of men, yet he fulfilled all the Law, and was
sinless. As unspotted as a sacrificial lamb. For that reason hell could not
contain him. And YES the sin he bore took him to the deepest part of hell.
Christ fully paid our sin debt by dying in our place ("it is
finished"), not by suffering in Gehenna. However (in case James has to
be listening), this does not mean that a person can simply die
physically to atone for his sins. A human death is of finite value.
Our sins are against an infinite God. Eternal torment in the lake of
fire is the destiny of those who reject Christ's propitiating
atonement for their sins.
As McGee notes
"Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first
into the lower parts of the earth?" (Eph 4:9, KJV)
The logical explanation of these verses is that since Christ ascended,
He must have of necessity descended at some previous period. Some see
only the Incarnation in this. The early church fathers saw in it the
work of Christ in bringing the Old Testament saints out of paradise up
to the throne of God. We are told that He descended into hell. It is
not necessary, however, to assume that He entered into some form of
suffering after His death. His incarnation and death were His
humiliation and descent, and they were adequate to bring the redeemed
of the Old Testament into the presence of God. That would explain His
fullness here. “He that descended is the same also that ascended up
far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.” I recognize,
however, that there are other interpretations (McGee Ephesians 4:9).
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But then all these things you should know and be aware of before I even
brought them to you from the scriptures. Eh?
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Think about it, throughout the history of Man a Lamb was sacrificed for sin.
Not just any lamb, but one that was perfect and without a flaw. The prime of
the prime.
And His character, His being did not change.
He died as man does, not God.
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Jesus was the “lamb of God that taketh away all the sin”
Amen. Spotless, pure, holy, and not act of man ever made Him otherwise.
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“The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb
of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.” (Jhn 1:29, KJV)
How did He do that?
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Why are you beholden to the doctrine of the trinity as propagated
by the
RCC?
Don't go off the reservation, Robert, if you do, it'll end the discussion.
Fine then I will stop it here. the Bible does not teach the trinity. Never
did. It is a doctrine of men.
The Bible doesn't say the word "trinity". It does in fact teach that
there is only one God Being, but that three distinct persons are God.
They are one not in the mere sense of relational unity, but in divine
essence. There are not three God Beings who are simply united by
relationship or purpose. They are a single, solitary God Being--your
inability to comprehend that not withstanding.
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How can one person be three different persons? Are they a shape shifter?
One Spirit. Remember, post the fall the only reason we got a Son of God
in the flesh is because God had to place separation in Himself (make a
way) in order to bring His children back to and into Him.
Jesus was not born without a spirit. Man was created with a body soul and
spirit. We all propagated after our own kind. Which we were created
to do
and
be. We are to worship God the Father and pray to Him. Not to Jesus.
(Which
is
hard to do solely, as Jesus Christ was our redeemer.) Yet we are
commanded
to
do so, and Jesus gave us the reasoning behind that in the scripture.
There is no problem if you believe in One God.
I always pray to the Lord because...that is the way God chose to
identify and identifies with us; God with us. Thomas didn't have a
problem being in obeisance to the Lord Jesus because He SAW God before
Him, the One God. It is not about material terms, but spiritual reality.
Yes. There is only a solitary Being who is God. Yet there are three
distinct persons (Father, Son, and Spirit). The Father is not the Son
or Holy Spirit. The Son (although He owns the title of Everlasting
Father which is a title of authority for the king) is not the Father
or Spirit. The Spirit is not the Father or Son. All three, however,
are God individually. Yet there is only one God Being. Whether that
makes sense to a finite creature does not determine whether or not it
is true.
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But if you want to see with the eyes of facts and bible doctrine
(ChristRose modus operandi) you won't be able to see with the eyes of
faith, which incidentally, is the only way to see God.
Lies. If you think we get a more accurate understanding of God from
what you say about God than what God's word says about God, you are a
liar and deceiver.
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Mankind is not the children of God, for they follow another.
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Three can be a Godhead, a corporate entity in todays terms, and
they can
all
be at one in total agreement, yet one is the final authority, as a husband is
to the man and woman being one as ordained by God. They are one
in Christ
as
he is in the Heavenly Father.
You can't contain God in physical terms or material terms; if you could,
you would be greater than God.
Of course not. Only a fool would declare that he could.
It is not what a man declares in his material world, but what he
does...in the Spirit.
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He is One Spirit; Father and Son are God, One and the Same, One Holy
Spirit. God is everywhere and in everything; the Father as we see Him
and the Son as we see Him; both are God. There is only One God.
Cam you define nor understand ‘one’ as spoken in the scriptures.
?
Robert idiotically and idolatrously promotes the idea that three God
Beings exist, and are simply united in a relationship. There is only
one God Being and essence, not two or three. Robert promotes ignorance
and idolatry.
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Believers become one with Christ and with other believers, not by
merging into the essence of God, but by being brought into intimate
fellowship with Him. This union is relational and covenantal, reflecting
harmony, shared purpose, and participation in God’s life through Christ.
It fulfills Jesus’ prayer in John 17:21: "that they may all be one,
just
as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You, that they also may be in Us."
“Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in
the day
of
judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.” (1Jn 4:17, KJV)
Physically? No. Spiritually? Yes. Is not the Born Again Man born of the
Heavenly Father?
I stated something the other day which surprised me, and I am yet to
revisit and meditate further on.
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In short, believers do not BECOME The Eternally Self-existing GOD
when >  they are made one in Christ.
And my reply to our rosie Rosie...
Yes, they do. Family is family and is eternal self-existent Oneness in
and of God.
And this was explained to me by the Holy Spirit...
"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."
You see, it is about the nature and glory of God. He is a "withhold
nothing" God whose love is all inclusive.
Eph 3:20 Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all
that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,
The power of what?
The Holy Spirt, who dwells within the Spirit of Born Again Man.
Now, what would you think if I said to you, since a son is immersed (in
the vine) in God that he is actually the full expression of the Holy
Spirit since the Lord Jesus is his Lord?
I'd say you're approaching Chung-hood. You suffer from the delusion
that every idea that pops into your head is the Holy Spirit Himself
speaking. Then you turn around and try to kill people's faith in God's
actual word, calling it idolatry to base your faith on what God
Himself said, because it interferes with the delusion that your words
are God's words.
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Here you go...
1Jn_4:17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in
the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.
"Family is family and is eternal self-existent Oneness in and of God.
Boldness! How can a sinner have boldness?
He can't.
Liar. He can have boldness by confessing His sin and being forgiven
and cleansed of it (1 John 1:8-2:2).
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You need to have faith in God and lean not on your own sinner
understanding. You are your own very bad enemy.
As I told you before, and recently, I learned that and started practicing
that many decades ago, whether you believe me or not.
That was to ChristRosie the sinless sinner christian.
Also, it may be that you don't put it into practice because it is
inherent and you can't be any other way. Of course a man can think any
number of ways, but where the rubber meets the road, the bottom line,
his action is faith (leaning not on one's own understanding).
His action is evidence and validation of his faith. Faith comes by
hearing, and hearing by the word of God (Romans 1:16; 10:17; John
20:30-31; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4). So you get faith from God's word. You
evidence faith by what you do.
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One cannot
be in God and be your own Lord at any point.
Then stop denying that you retain a sin nature and should confess your
sins to God every day
“Pray then like this: “Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name.
Your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our debts, as we also
have forgiven our debtors.” (Matthew 6:9–12, ESV)
“If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not
in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us
our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have
not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.” (1 John
1:8–10, ESV)
[...]
------------------
Source
McGee, J.V. (1991) Thru the Bible commentary: Ephesians. electronic
ed. Nashville: Thomas Nelson.
--
Have you heard the good news Christ died for our sins (†), and God
raised Him from the dead?

That Christ died for our sins shows we're sinners who deserve the death
penalty. That God raised Him from the dead shows Christ's death
satisfied God's righteous demands against our sin (Romans 3:25; 1 John
2:1-2). This means God can now remain just, while forgiving you of your
sins, and saving you from eternal damnation.

On the basis of Christ's death and resurrection for our sins, call on
the name of the Lord to save you: "For 'everyone who calls on the name
of the Lord will be saved.'" (Romans 10:13, ESV)

https://christrose.news/salvation
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There is only One God, Robert, only ever been One God. It was explained,
God placed separation in Himself, both sides of the veil...God.
One as in Unity.
One as in essence and Being, not just relational unity. There are not
three God Beiungs who united into one godhead. There is only one
eternally self-existing Being who is God.
That's right, but you blow it below when you say He is three distinct
persons, He is not.
He is One Person, One Lord, One God.
My "essence," your "essence" is not 3 distinct persons. We were made
in His image.
We are not 3 distinct persons. We were made in His image. For your own
good, open your ears and your heart (not your head).
Post by Christ Rose
1 Essence is correct. But the Father is not the Son or Spirit.
Yes, He is.

You can't have it both ways; be in the faith and be in the non-faith (sin).

God is God in all His being. One God. One God in essence is One God in
Father, Son, Holy Spirit.

God created division within His Oneness (glorious grace) for a while so
that man could go through the Red Sea, so to speak, and enter Him, the
promised land (Him). As was explained to that stubborn, know-it-all,
50-year bible christian expert fellow Robert. God can be likened to the
Red Sea being parted, but He always remains who and what He is (e.g.,
The Red Sea), the "I am what I am (The Red Sea)"

The unity (oneness, wholeness) of God cannot be comprehended in the mind
of man because it is *****not of this world.***** But you try in your
materialistic, egocentric sinful nature (you're a sinner, right?) below...
Post by Christ Rose
The Son
is not the Spirit or Father ("Eternal Father" not withstanding, because
that is a King's title). The Spirit is not the Father or the Son. Jesus
didn't pray to Himself, and the voice that came from heaven wasn't His
own voice. There are three distinct persons, but only a single,
solitary, divine essence or Being. That's where it exceeds comprehension.
Your comprehension.

You can't see God through fact (e.g., your personally controlled bible);
He can only be seen through the eyes of faith.

Heb_11:1  Now FAITH is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence
of things not seen.

Faith is hope and what is not seen, and you people just can't help
yourselves; you just have to see the facts in scripture.

"Show me in the scriptures; show me in the scriptures; show me in the
scriptures that I might have the facts!" Faith doesn't work that way,
and your scriptures make that perfectly clear: you can't please God
without faith—His definition of faith, not yours.

Pro 3:5  Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine
own understanding.

No, but you MUST have it your way: your doctrinal analysis, your
imperatives, your "shoulds (woeful), your theology, doctrines, and dogma
according to your own understanding. Well, good luck with that.

(Snip the ever-learning; that is not of faith).

Learning (leaning on the seen) and faith do not go together. A hang
glider flight instructor can tell and teach you endless things "about"
flying, endless (e.g., inexhaustible bible), but there comes a time when
you need to put all the theory down and just jump into what you don't
know. That is the way with God, jumping into the unseen—that is true faith.

How do I know that? I jumped, and nothing is going to change in your
life until you do. You need to pray, and keep on praying, that God will
provide you a place to jump, or you will forever be stuck in the
faithless futility of ever learning and ever leaning on your own
comprehension.




In the Name of Jesus
--
God is God in all His Being. All the glory is His, for He is all glory.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything, He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free, and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

"The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence or proof is to be found."

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not so that a book could pass
through it for a sinner to play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: a man full of bluster and bullshit in his
meaninglessness pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

"What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence."

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God; God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

"Atheism: "The claim that life received from itself."

"But remember this: always, absolutely always, all the glory is the
Lord's and His alone, and anyone who takes any credit for anything, you
know, instantly, he is not what he pretends to be and is a false prophet."

"That light had to bear (bears all things) the darkness for us, but that
light did not ever become darkness."

"You must reach beyond the bible that tells you about Him, and into your
daily life to find Him in Person. He's there."

"What is wrong with Christendom? False understanding based on compromise."

"It is not in man to love his enemies. And if he tries, he is walking in
a lie and trying to raise himself up to the level of God."

"God has to be quiet now; we have our bible." Well, then, who is going
to speak?
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There is only One God, Robert, only ever been One God. It was explained,
God placed separation in Himself, both sides of the veil...God.
One as in Unity.
One as in essence and Being, not just relational unity. There are
not three God Beiungs who united into one godhead. There is only one
eternally self-existing Being who is God.
That's right, but you blow it below when you say He is three distinct
persons, He is not.
He is One Person, One Lord, One God.
My "essence," your "essence" is not 3 distinct persons. We were made
in His image.
We are not 3 distinct persons. We were made in His image. For your own
good, open your ears and your heart (not your head).
Post by Christ Rose
1 Essence is correct. But the Father is not the Son or Spirit.
Yes, He is.
You can't have it both ways; be in the faith and be in the non-faith (sin).
God is God in all His being. One God. One God in essence is One God in
Father, Son, Holy Spirit.
God created division within His Oneness (glorious grace) for a while so
that man could go through the Red Sea, so to speak, and enter Him, the
promised land (Him). As was explained to that stubborn, know-it-all, 50-
year bible christian expert fellow Robert. God can be likened to the Red
Sea being parted, but He always remains who and what He is (e.g., The
Red Sea), the "I am what I am (The Red Sea)"
The unity (oneness, wholeness) of God cannot be comprehended in the mind
of man because it is *****not of this world.***** But you try in your
materialistic, egocentric sinful nature (you're a sinner, right?) below...
Post by Christ Rose
The Son is not the Spirit or Father ("Eternal Father" not
withstanding, because that is a King's title). The Spirit is not the
Father or the Son. Jesus didn't pray to Himself, and the voice that
came from heaven wasn't His own voice. There are three distinct
persons, but only a single, solitary, divine essence or Being. That's
where it exceeds comprehension.
Your comprehension.
You can't see God through fact (e.g., your personally controlled bible);
He can only be seen through the eyes of faith.
Heb_11:1  Now FAITH is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence
of things not seen.
Faith is hope and what is not seen, and you people just can't help
yourselves; you just have to see the facts in scripture.
"Show me in the scriptures; show me in the scriptures; show me in the
scriptures that I might have the facts!" Faith doesn't work that way,
and your scriptures make that perfectly clear: you can't please God
without faith—His definition of faith, not yours.
Pro 3:5  Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine
own understanding.
No, but you MUST have it your way: your doctrinal analysis, your
imperatives, your "shoulds (woeful), your theology, doctrines, and dogma
according to your own understanding. Well, good luck with that.
(Snip the ever-learning; that is not of faith).
Learning (leaning on the seen) and faith do not go together. A hang
glider flight instructor can tell and teach you endless things "about"
flying, endless (e.g., inexhaustible bible), but there comes a time when
you need to put all the theory down and just jump into what you don't
know. That is the way with God, jumping into the unseen—that is true faith.
How do I know that? I jumped, and nothing is going to change in your
life until you do. You need to pray, and keep on praying, that God will
provide you a place to jump, or you will forever be stuck in the
faithless futility of ever learning and ever leaning on your own
comprehension.
I kept waiting for you to make a convincing case from Scripture. It
never happened. I don't base what I believe on what you claim, but on
what I understand God's word to teach. By default, anything you say,
which I do not recognize as coming from Scripture, goes directly into
the garbage. Here's an analogy:

“And Elisha said, “As the LORD of hosts lives, before whom I stand, were
it not that I have regard for Jehoshaphat the king of Judah, I would
neither look at you nor see you.” (2 Kings 3:14, ESV)

If you come to me with a reasonable and convincing case from Scripture,
it warrants consideration. If you come to me with claims, quips, and
accusations that have nothing to do with what the Bible actually says, I
may not even look at it.
--
Have you heard the good news Christ died for our sins (†), and God
raised Him from the dead?

That Christ died for our sins shows we're sinners who deserve the death
penalty. That God raised Him from the dead shows Christ's death
satisfied God's righteous demands against our sin (Romans 3:25; 1 John
2:1-2). This means God can now remain just, while forgiving you of your
sins, and saving you from eternal damnation.

On the basis of Christ's death and resurrection for our sins, call on
the name of the Lord to save you: "For 'everyone who calls on the name
of the Lord will be saved.'" (Romans 10:13, ESV)

https://christrose.news/salvation
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There is only One God, Robert, only ever been One God. It was explained,
God placed separation in Himself, both sides of the veil...God.
One as in Unity.
One as in essence and Being, not just relational unity. There are
not three God Beiungs who united into one godhead. There is only
one eternally self-existing Being who is God.
That's right, but you blow it below when you say He is three
distinct persons, He is not.
He is One Person, One Lord, One God.
My "essence," your "essence" is not 3 distinct persons. We were made
in His image.
We are not 3 distinct persons. We were made in His image. For your own
good, open your ears and your heart (not your head).
Post by Christ Rose
1 Essence is correct. But the Father is not the Son or Spirit.
Yes, He is.
You can't have it both ways; be in the faith and be in the non-faith (sin).
God is God in all His being. One God. One God in essence is One God in
Father, Son, Holy Spirit.
God created division within His Oneness (glorious grace) for a while
so that man could go through the Red Sea, so to speak, and enter Him,
the promised land (Him). As was explained to that stubborn, know-it-
all, 50- year bible christian expert fellow Robert. God can be likened
to the Red Sea being parted, but He always remains who and what He is
(e.g., The Red Sea), the "I am what I am (The Red Sea)"
The unity (oneness, wholeness) of God cannot be comprehended in the
mind of man because it is *****not of this world.***** But you try in
your materialistic, egocentric sinful nature (you're a sinner, right?)
below...
Post by Christ Rose
The Son is not the Spirit or Father ("Eternal Father" not
withstanding, because that is a King's title). The Spirit is not the
Father or the Son. Jesus didn't pray to Himself, and the voice that
came from heaven wasn't His own voice. There are three distinct
persons, but only a single, solitary, divine essence or Being. That's
where it exceeds comprehension.
Your comprehension.
You can't see God through fact (e.g., your personally controlled
bible); He can only be seen through the eyes of faith.
Heb_11:1  Now FAITH is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence
of things not seen.
Faith is hope and what is not seen, and you people just can't help
yourselves; you just have to see the facts in scripture.
"Show me in the scriptures; show me in the scriptures; show me in the
scriptures that I might have the facts!" Faith doesn't work that way,
and your scriptures make that perfectly clear: you can't please God
without faith—His definition of faith, not yours.
Pro 3:5  Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto
thine own understanding.
No, but you MUST have it your way: your doctrinal analysis, your
imperatives, your "shoulds (woeful), your theology, doctrines, and
dogma according to your own understanding. Well, good luck with that.
(Snip the ever-learning; that is not of faith).
Learning (leaning on the seen) and faith do not go together. A hang
glider flight instructor can tell and teach you endless things "about"
flying, endless (e.g., inexhaustible bible), but there comes a time
when you need to put all the theory down and just jump into what you
don't know. That is the way with God, jumping into the unseen—that is
true faith.
How do I know that? I jumped, and nothing is going to change in your
life until you do. You need to pray, and keep on praying, that God
will provide you a place to jump, or you will forever be stuck in the
faithless futility of ever learning and ever leaning on your own
comprehension.
I kept waiting for you to make a convincing case from Scripture.
I did to anyone who has a heart to hear.

You are one belligerent bastard sinner, Rosie.

You are your own worst enemy.

No excuses.




In the Name of Jesus



It
Post by Christ Rose
never happened. I don't base what I believe on what you claim, but on
what I understand God's word to teach. By default, anything you say,
which I do not recognize as coming from Scripture, goes directly into
“And Elisha said, “As the LORD of hosts lives, before whom I stand, were
it not that I have regard for Jehoshaphat the king of Judah, I would
neither look at you nor see you.” (2 Kings 3:14, ESV)
If you come to me with a reasonable and convincing case from Scripture,
it warrants consideration. If you come to me with claims, quips, and
accusations that have nothing to do with what the Bible actually says, I
may not even look at it.
--
God is God in all His Being. All the glory is His, for He is all glory.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything, He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free, and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

"The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence or proof is to be found."

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not so that a book could pass
through it for a sinner to play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: a man full of bluster and bullshit in his
meaninglessness pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

"What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence."

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God; God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

"Atheism: "The claim that life received from itself."

"But remember this: always, absolutely always, all the glory is the
Lord's and His alone, and anyone who takes any credit for anything, you
know, instantly, he is not what he pretends to be and is a false prophet."

"That light had to bear (bears all things) the darkness for us, but that
light did not ever become darkness."

"You must reach beyond the bible that tells you about Him, and into your
daily life to find Him in Person. He's there."

"What is wrong with Christendom? False understanding based on compromise."

"It is not in man to love his enemies. And if he tries, he is walking in
a lie and trying to raise himself up to the level of God."

"God has to be quiet now; we have our bible." Well, then, who is going
to speak?
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