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Murder: we don't need a god to know arbitrary killing is wrong
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2019-08-25 16:32:26 UTC
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Most religions believe murder is wrong.
Most _everyone_ believes murder is wrong; we don't need a god to know that.

Even animal societies know that arbitrary killing is wrong; no god needed.
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Extortion (Believe or Burn) is _THE_ foundation of Christianity.
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2019-08-25 18:00:36 UTC
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Most religions believe murder is wrong.
Most _everyone_ believes murder is wrong; we don't need a god to know that.
Even animal societies know that arbitrary killing is wrong; no god needed.
Totally wrong Dragon Breath, totally wrong. :)

First you did the typical religious thing and that was to confuse
murder and killing.

Animals kill all the time to eat.

Secondly it was God that instilled certain morals within you. Some
people pay attention to them, others over ride them and do their own
thing.
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2019-08-25 19:09:04 UTC
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Most religions believe murder is wrong.
Most _everyone_ believes murder is wrong; we don't need a god to know that.
Even animal societies know that arbitrary killing is wrong; no god needed.
Totally wrong Dragon Breath, totally wrong. :)
No society can survive if it allowed members to arbitrarily kill.
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First you did the typical religious thing and that was to confuse
murder and killing.
No, _you_ are confused but I'll be happy to explain it to you.

Murder is immoral killing and we don't need a god to be moral, to get
along peacefully, productively, and happily; to be "good" citizens.

It is our own _selfish_ best interest to get along with others; that
is our evolutionary best strategy for survival. Recent AI research
backs up that 'best strategy'.
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Animals kill all the time to eat.
Not each other in a society/pack/herd, idiot, and not arbitrarily.
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Secondly it was God that instilled certain morals within you.
"Lying for Jesus" shit that you can't back up.
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Christian: a person afraid of a perpetually hiding [imaginary] god.
Extortion (Believe or Burn) is _THE_ foundation of Christianity.
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2019-08-25 19:42:04 UTC
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Most religions believe murder is wrong.
Most _everyone_ believes murder is wrong; we don't need a god to know that.
Even animal societies know that arbitrary killing is wrong; no god needed.
Totally wrong Dragon Breath, totally wrong. :)
No society can survive if it allowed members to arbitrarily kill.
Then you cannot live. The only thing you could eat from now on is
fruit as it is the only dead thing that is edible without killing.
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First you did the typical religious thing and that was to confuse
murder and killing.
No, _you_ are confused but I'll be happy to explain it to you.
Murder is immoral killing and we don't need a god to be moral, to get
along peacefully, productively, and happily; to be "good" citizens.
It is our own _selfish_ best interest to get along with others; that
is our evolutionary best strategy for survival. Recent AI research
backs up that 'best strategy'.
It certainly seems that you are none too bright. You explained
nothing. there are societies that kill other men, to eat and for
trophies.

And AI research backs up nothing since it is designed by men who
program into it their ideals and philosophies, even their morals that
were instilled in them by God.
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Animals kill all the time to eat.
Not each other in a society/pack/herd, idiot, and not arbitrarily.
Yes, the do kill each other and they eat the spoils. Mothers often eat
their young. The ruler of a pack will kill any who dares contest him,
unless they run away. Pigs will eat anything that is dead.
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Secondly it was God that instilled certain morals within you.
"Lying for Jesus" shit that you can't back up.
The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, doing
abominable iniquity; there is none who does good.
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But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
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2019-08-25 20:59:06 UTC
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Most religions believe murder is wrong.
Most _everyone_ believes murder is wrong; we don't need a god to know that.
Even animal societies know that arbitrary killing is wrong; no god needed.
Totally wrong Dragon Breath, totally wrong. :)
No society can survive if it allowed members to arbitrarily kill.
Then you cannot live.
I do live and I don't kill. We don't need a god to tell us that we
shouldn't run around killing our fellow citizens. No society,
including animal/insect/bacteria societies, can allow its members
to run around killing each other. No god needed.

Same for stealing, lying, and many other "moral" issues. No god needed.
--
There is no verifiable evidence of any god(s). None whatsoever.
Christian: a person afraid of a perpetually hiding [imaginary] god.
Extortion (Believe or Burn) is _THE_ foundation of Christianity.
Robert
2019-08-25 22:34:04 UTC
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Most religions believe murder is wrong.
Most _everyone_ believes murder is wrong; we don't need a god to know that.
Even animal societies know that arbitrary killing is wrong; no god needed.
Totally wrong Dragon Breath, totally wrong. :)
No society can survive if it allowed members to arbitrarily kill.
Then you cannot live.
I do live and I don't kill. We don't need a god to tell us that we
shouldn't run around killing our fellow citizens. No society,
including animal/insect/bacteria societies, can allow its members
to run around killing each other. No god needed.
Same for stealing, lying, and many other "moral" issues. No god needed.
Because you buy food from killers does that exonerate you from your
moral dilemma? No.

Everything you eat has been killed except fruit.
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But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
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2019-09-01 05:38:14 UTC
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Most religions believe murder is wrong.
Most _everyone_ believes murder is wrong; we don't need a god to know that.
Even animal societies know that arbitrary killing is wrong; no god needed.
Totally wrong Dragon Breath, totally wrong. :)
No society can survive if it allowed members to arbitrarily kill.
Then you cannot live.
I do live and I don't kill. We don't need a god to tell us that we
shouldn't run around killing our fellow citizens. No society,
including animal/insect/bacteria societies, can allow its members
to run around killing each other. No god needed.
Same for stealing, lying, and many other "moral" issues. No god needed.
Because you buy food from killers does that exonerate you from your
moral dilemma? No.
Everything you eat has been killed except fruit.
Robert, besides being a goddamned "liar for Jesus" you're also an idiot.

LOL.
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There is no verifiable evidence of any god(s). None whatsoever.
Christian: a person afraid of a perpetually hiding [imaginary] god.
Extortion (Believe or Burn) is _THE_ foundation of Christianity.
Robert
2019-09-01 08:13:38 UTC
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Most religions believe murder is wrong.
Most _everyone_ believes murder is wrong; we don't need a god to know that.
Even animal societies know that arbitrary killing is wrong; no god needed.
Totally wrong Dragon Breath, totally wrong. :)
No society can survive if it allowed members to arbitrarily kill.
Then you cannot live.
I do live and I don't kill. We don't need a god to tell us that we
shouldn't run around killing our fellow citizens. No society,
including animal/insect/bacteria societies, can allow its members
to run around killing each other. No god needed.
Same for stealing, lying, and many other "moral" issues. No god needed.
Because you buy food from killers does that exonerate you from your
moral dilemma? No.
Everything you eat has been killed except fruit.
Robert, besides being a goddamned "liar for Jesus" you're also an idiot.
LOL.
Well, sad to say you are as dumb as a rock. Fruit, ripe fruit is dead.
Not alive.
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But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
Siri Cruise
2019-09-01 10:36:37 UTC
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Everything you eat has been killed except fruit.
Robert, besides being a goddamned "liar for Jesus" you're also an idiot.
LOL.
Well, sad to say you are as dumb as a rock. Fruit, ripe fruit is dead.
Not alive.
Plants that are uncooked and still wet are alive when your teeth start mashing
their cells. Including fruits. At least meat gets killed before we pop it our
mouths, though sashimi still has living cells to be ground up and acidified.

Fruits and nuts are suicidal. They have evolved to entice animals to eat them.
The seeds survive the trip through your alimentary canal to be deposited in
fertilising pile of poop far enough from the parent plant that the parent and
children don't compete.

With a few exceptions, none of them eukaryotes, life eats life or the previously
alive. Just by inhaling you kill millions of microbes with every breath.

The reason it is more ethical to eat plants is because they can't scream or try
to run away. They have only chemical warfare to defend themselves.
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2019-09-01 17:44:32 UTC
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Everything you eat has been killed except fruit.
Robert, besides being a goddamned "liar for Jesus" you're also an idiot.
LOL.
Well, sad to say you are as dumb as a rock. Fruit, ripe fruit is dead.
Not alive.
Plants that are uncooked and still wet are alive when your teeth start mashing
their cells. Including fruits. At least meat gets killed before we pop it our
mouths, though sashimi still has living cells to be ground up and acidified.
Not fruit when it is ripe and ready to fall off. Better check that
out. As to the rest you are generally right, although Octopus is also
eaten alive by many. Minnows swallowed alive, sashimi has already been
killed. Root crops are alive but do not feel the pain of crunching
teeth.
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Fruits and nuts are suicidal. They have evolved to entice animals to eat them.
The seeds survive the trip through your alimentary canal to be deposited in
fertilising pile of poop far enough from the parent plant that the parent and
children don't compete.
With a few exceptions, none of them eukaryotes, life eats life or the previously
alive. Just by inhaling you kill millions of microbes with every breath.
The reason it is more ethical to eat plants is because they can't scream or try
to run away. They have only chemical warfare to defend themselves.
Not true. They do scream but you cannot hear them, but you can measure
it electronically. Hit a tree hard in a forest and other tree's up to
20 miles away will respond to it.
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But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
Miloch
2019-09-01 20:29:15 UTC
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Everything you eat has been killed except fruit.
Robert, besides being a goddamned "liar for Jesus" you're also an =
idiot.
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LOL.
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Well, sad to say you are as dumb as a rock. Fruit, ripe fruit is dead.
Not alive.
Plants that are uncooked and still wet are alive when your teeth start =
mashing=20
their cells. Including fruits. At least meat gets killed before we pop =
it our=20
mouths, though sashimi still has living cells to be ground up and =
acidified.
Not fruit when it is ripe and ready to fall off. Better check that
out. As to the rest you are generally right, although Octopus is also
eaten alive by many. Minnows swallowed alive, sashimi has already been
killed. Root crops are alive but do not feel the pain of crunching
teeth.
Fruits and nuts are suicidal. They have evolved to entice animals to eat=
them.=20
The seeds survive the trip through your alimentary canal to be deposited=
in=20
fertilising pile of poop far enough from the parent plant that the =
parent and=20
children don't compete.
With a few exceptions, none of them eukaryotes, life eats life or the =
previously=20
alive. Just by inhaling you kill millions of microbes with every breath.
The reason it is more ethical to eat plants is because they can't scream=
or try=20
to run away. They have only chemical warfare to defend themselves.
Not true. They do scream but you cannot hear them, but you can measure
it electronically. Hit a tree hard in a forest and other tree's up to
20 miles away will respond to it.
--=20
Also, in the Garden of Eden, there is a forest...an existentialist forest...and
when a tree falls and there's no one around to hear it...it doesn't make a
sound.

ya...another strange fact from The Miloch Family Bible of Old Testament
Weirdness



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God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that =
diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
Surrender the Name
2019-09-09 22:18:31 UTC
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Most religions believe murder is wrong.
Most _everyone_ believes murder is wrong; we don't need a god to know that.
Even animal societies know that arbitrary killing is wrong; no god needed.
Totally wrong Dragon Breath, totally wrong. :)
No society can survive if it allowed members to arbitrarily kill.
Then you cannot live.
I do live and I don't kill. We don't need a god to tell us that we
shouldn't run around killing our fellow citizens. No society,
including animal/insect/bacteria societies, can allow its members
to run around killing each other. No god needed.
Same for stealing, lying, and many other "moral" issues. No god needed.
Because you buy food from killers does that exonerate you from your
moral dilemma? No.
Everything you eat has been killed except fruit.
Robert, besides being a goddamned "liar for Jesus" you're also an idiot.
LOL.
Well, sad to say you are as dumb as a rock. Fruit, ripe fruit is dead.
Not alive.
I have to agree with Atheist at least on a few points. We don't need
to kill to eat. Fruits, vegetables, nuts and berries, and all of it is
better for us than animal fats. And no..before I was even aware of the
possibility of a Creator I knew it was wrong to kill.
Siri Cruise
2019-09-09 22:35:03 UTC
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I have to agree with Atheist at least on a few points. We don't need
to kill to eat. Fruits, vegetables, nuts and berries, and all of it is
better for us than animal fats. And no..before I was even aware of the
possibility of a Creator I knew it was wrong to kill.
It would require cooking the vegetables and a few exotics to get all the
nutrients. Humans lost too much intestine to survive on raw vegetables. Our
genus has evolved into omnivores for millions of years.
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Robert
2019-09-10 03:55:47 UTC
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I have to agree with Atheist at least on a few points. We don't need
to kill to eat. Fruits, vegetables, nuts and berries, and all of it is
better for us than animal fats. And no..before I was even aware of the
possibility of a Creator I knew it was wrong to kill.
It would require cooking the vegetables and a few exotics to get all the
nutrients. Humans lost too much intestine to survive on raw vegetables. Our
genus has evolved into omnivores for millions of years.
Man ate veggies as their main diet for near 2K years. It was after the
flood that man went to eating critters. Yum.

You don't have to kill critters to eat them, you could always just
wait till the die from an accident, animal attack of old age. But then
with that kind of dead critters you are sure to get sick from eating
them.
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But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
Miloch
2019-09-09 22:47:20 UTC
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Most religions believe murder is wrong.
Most _everyone_ believes murder is wrong; we don't need a god to know that.
Well, sad to say you are as dumb as a rock. Fruit, ripe fruit is dead.
Not alive.
I have to agree with Atheist at least on a few points. We don't need
to kill to eat. Fruits, vegetables, nuts and berries, and all of it is
better for us than animal fats. And no..before I was even aware of the
possibility of a Creator I knew it was wrong to kill.
When in doubt...just follow the Miloch Food Doctrine...if it doesn't say
"Campbell's" or "Chef Boyardee" on the label, don't eat it!

The Almighty created MSG (monosodium glutamate) for a reason.



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2019-09-10 03:48:28 UTC
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Most religions believe murder is wrong.
Most _everyone_ believes murder is wrong; we don't need a god to know that.
Even animal societies know that arbitrary killing is wrong; no god needed.
Totally wrong Dragon Breath, totally wrong. :)
No society can survive if it allowed members to arbitrarily kill.
Then you cannot live.
I do live and I don't kill. We don't need a god to tell us that we
shouldn't run around killing our fellow citizens. No society,
including animal/insect/bacteria societies, can allow its members
to run around killing each other. No god needed.
Same for stealing, lying, and many other "moral" issues. No god needed.
Because you buy food from killers does that exonerate you from your
moral dilemma? No.
Everything you eat has been killed except fruit.
Robert, besides being a goddamned "liar for Jesus" you're also an idiot.
LOL.
Well, sad to say you are as dumb as a rock. Fruit, ripe fruit is dead.
Not alive.
I have to agree with Atheist at least on a few points. We don't need
to kill to eat. Fruits, vegetables, nuts and berries, and all of it is
better for us than animal fats. And no..before I was even aware of the
possibility of a Creator I knew it was wrong to kill.
Well this whole thread is facetious at best.

No matter what we eat something has to die. And all the live veggies
feel "pain" and scream out if you tag them with the proper electrodes
and measure their reactions.

I have no problem with killing to eat, lol, except of course humans.
As I said, fruit when it is ripe dies and falls of the plant.

Animal fat is useful for the brain, reduces strokes.

However, I have no problem with people eating what they like.
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But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
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2019-09-10 13:01:00 UTC
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Most religions believe murder is wrong.
Most _everyone_ believes murder is wrong; we don't need a god to know that.
Even animal societies know that arbitrary killing is wrong; no god needed.
Totally wrong Dragon Breath, totally wrong. :)
No society can survive if it allowed members to arbitrarily kill.
Then you cannot live.
I do live and I don't kill. We don't need a god to tell us that we
shouldn't run around killing our fellow citizens. No society,
including animal/insect/bacteria societies, can allow its members
to run around killing each other. No god needed.
Same for stealing, lying, and many other "moral" issues. No god needed.
Because you buy food from killers does that exonerate you from your
moral dilemma? No.
Everything you eat has been killed except fruit.
Robert, besides being a goddamned "liar for Jesus" you're also an idiot.
LOL.
Well, sad to say you are as dumb as a rock. Fruit, ripe fruit is dead.
Not alive.
I have to agree with Atheist at least on a few points. We don't need
to kill to eat. Fruits, vegetables, nuts and berries, and all of it is
better for us than animal fats. And no..before I was even aware of the
possibility of a Creator I knew it was wrong to kill.
Well this whole thread is facetious at best.
No matter what we eat something has to die. And all the live veggies
feel "pain" and scream out if you tag them with the proper electrodes
and measure their reactions.
You don't eat the parent plant, Robert. You eat the fruit from them
like tomatoes, brussel sprouts, strawberries, blackberries. You
never eat the parent plant!
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I have no problem with killing to eat, lol, except of course humans.
As I said, fruit when it is ripe dies and falls of the plant.
Animal fat is useful for the brain, reduces strokes.
However, I have no problem with people eating what they like.
Robert
2019-09-10 16:26:46 UTC
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Most religions believe murder is wrong.
Most _everyone_ believes murder is wrong; we don't need a god to know that.
Even animal societies know that arbitrary killing is wrong; no god needed.
Totally wrong Dragon Breath, totally wrong. :)
No society can survive if it allowed members to arbitrarily kill.
Then you cannot live.
I do live and I don't kill. We don't need a god to tell us that we
shouldn't run around killing our fellow citizens. No society,
including animal/insect/bacteria societies, can allow its members
to run around killing each other. No god needed.
Same for stealing, lying, and many other "moral" issues. No god needed.
Because you buy food from killers does that exonerate you from your
moral dilemma? No.
Everything you eat has been killed except fruit.
Robert, besides being a goddamned "liar for Jesus" you're also an idiot.
LOL.
Well, sad to say you are as dumb as a rock. Fruit, ripe fruit is dead.
Not alive.
I have to agree with Atheist at least on a few points. We don't need
to kill to eat. Fruits, vegetables, nuts and berries, and all of it is
better for us than animal fats. And no..before I was even aware of the
possibility of a Creator I knew it was wrong to kill.
Well this whole thread is facetious at best.
No matter what we eat something has to die. And all the live veggies
feel "pain" and scream out if you tag them with the proper electrodes
and measure their reactions.
You don't eat the parent plant, Robert. You eat the fruit from them
like tomatoes, brussel sprouts, strawberries, blackberries. You
never eat the parent plant!
Ever hear of greens? Carrots top and root, beets, top and root,
lettuces, etc. Asparagus, grasses like chive, sprouts and all the
great spinach? :)
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I have no problem with killing to eat, lol, except of course humans.
As I said, fruit when it is ripe dies and falls of the plant.
Animal fat is useful for the brain, reduces strokes.
However, I have no problem with people eating what they like.
--
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
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Most religions believe murder is wrong.
Most _everyone_ believes murder is wrong; we don't need a god to know that.
Even animal societies know that arbitrary killing is wrong; no god needed.
Totally wrong Dragon Breath, totally wrong. :)
No society can survive if it allowed members to arbitrarily kill.
Then you cannot live.
I do live and I don't kill. We don't need a god to tell us that we
shouldn't run around killing our fellow citizens. No society,
including animal/insect/bacteria societies, can allow its members
to run around killing each other. No god needed.
Same for stealing, lying, and many other "moral" issues. No god needed.
Because you buy food from killers does that exonerate you from your
moral dilemma? No.
Everything you eat has been killed except fruit.
Robert, besides being a goddamned "liar for Jesus" you're also an idiot.
LOL.
Well, sad to say you are as dumb as a rock. Fruit, ripe fruit is dead.
Not alive.
I have to agree with Atheist at least on a few points. We don't need
to kill to eat. Fruits, vegetables, nuts and berries, and all of it is
better for us than animal fats. And no..before I was even aware of the
possibility of a Creator I knew it was wrong to kill.
Well this whole thread is facetious at best.
No matter what we eat something has to die. And all the live veggies
feel "pain" and scream out if you tag them with the proper electrodes
and measure their reactions.
You don't eat the parent plant, Robert. You eat the fruit from them
like tomatoes, brussel sprouts, strawberries, blackberries. You
never eat the parent plant!
Ever hear of greens? Carrots top and root, beets, top and root,
lettuces, etc. Asparagus, grasses like chive, sprouts and all the
great spinach? :)
Let me know when you catch one of them screaming in pain...
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I have no problem with killing to eat, lol, except of course humans.
As I said, fruit when it is ripe dies and falls of the plant.
Animal fat is useful for the brain, reduces strokes.
However, I have no problem with people eating what they like.
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2019-09-10 18:33:23 UTC
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Most religions believe murder is wrong.
Most _everyone_ believes murder is wrong; we don't need a god to know that.
Even animal societies know that arbitrary killing is wrong; no god needed.
Totally wrong Dragon Breath, totally wrong. :)
No society can survive if it allowed members to arbitrarily kill.
Then you cannot live.
I do live and I don't kill. We don't need a god to tell us that we
shouldn't run around killing our fellow citizens. No society,
including animal/insect/bacteria societies, can allow its members
to run around killing each other. No god needed.
Same for stealing, lying, and many other "moral" issues. No god needed.
Because you buy food from killers does that exonerate you from your
moral dilemma? No.
Everything you eat has been killed except fruit.
Robert, besides being a goddamned "liar for Jesus" you're also an idiot.
LOL.
Well, sad to say you are as dumb as a rock. Fruit, ripe fruit is dead.
Not alive.
I have to agree with Atheist at least on a few points. We don't need
to kill to eat. Fruits, vegetables, nuts and berries, and all of it is
better for us than animal fats. And no..before I was even aware of the
possibility of a Creator I knew it was wrong to kill.
Well this whole thread is facetious at best.
No matter what we eat something has to die. And all the live veggies
feel "pain" and scream out if you tag them with the proper electrodes
and measure their reactions.
You don't eat the parent plant, Robert. You eat the fruit from them
like tomatoes, brussel sprouts, strawberries, blackberries. You
never eat the parent plant!
Ever hear of greens? Carrots top and root, beets, top and root,
lettuces, etc. Asparagus, grasses like chive, sprouts and all the
great spinach? :)
Let me know when you catch one of them screaming in pain...
That's like asking me to let you know when a fish feels the pain of a
hookset in its guts.

Or a babies primal scream in the stomach of its mother when it hears a
loud sudden noise or feels the terror of its mom. Because a man is
mute does not mean he doesn't feel pain. IYKWIM
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Post by Robert
I have no problem with killing to eat, lol, except of course humans.
As I said, fruit when it is ripe dies and falls of the plant.
Animal fat is useful for the brain, reduces strokes.
However, I have no problem with people eating what they like.
--
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
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2019-09-10 18:55:02 UTC
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Most religions believe murder is wrong.
Most _everyone_ believes murder is wrong; we don't need a god to know that.
Even animal societies know that arbitrary killing is wrong; no god needed.
Totally wrong Dragon Breath, totally wrong. :)
No society can survive if it allowed members to arbitrarily kill.
Then you cannot live.
I do live and I don't kill. We don't need a god to tell us that we
shouldn't run around killing our fellow citizens. No society,
including animal/insect/bacteria societies, can allow its members
to run around killing each other. No god needed.
Same for stealing, lying, and many other "moral" issues. No god needed.
Because you buy food from killers does that exonerate you from your
moral dilemma? No.
Everything you eat has been killed except fruit.
Robert, besides being a goddamned "liar for Jesus" you're also an idiot.
LOL.
Well, sad to say you are as dumb as a rock. Fruit, ripe fruit is dead.
Not alive.
I have to agree with Atheist at least on a few points. We don't need
to kill to eat. Fruits, vegetables, nuts and berries, and all of it is
better for us than animal fats. And no..before I was even aware of the
possibility of a Creator I knew it was wrong to kill.
Well this whole thread is facetious at best.
No matter what we eat something has to die. And all the live veggies
feel "pain" and scream out if you tag them with the proper electrodes
and measure their reactions.
You don't eat the parent plant, Robert. You eat the fruit from them
like tomatoes, brussel sprouts, strawberries, blackberries. You
never eat the parent plant!
Ever hear of greens? Carrots top and root, beets, top and root,
lettuces, etc. Asparagus, grasses like chive, sprouts and all the
great spinach? :)
Let me know when you catch one of them screaming in pain...
That's like asking me to let you know when a fish feels the pain of a
hookset in its guts.
Ahahahaha! Give me a break!!! Lol! You've been listening to those
California liberals! :>))
Post by Robert
Or a babies primal scream in the stomach of its mother when it hears a
loud sudden noise or feels the terror of its mom. Because a man is
mute does not mean he doesn't feel pain. IYKWIM
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Post by Robert
Post by Surrender the Name
Post by Robert
I have no problem with killing to eat, lol, except of course humans.
As I said, fruit when it is ripe dies and falls of the plant.
Animal fat is useful for the brain, reduces strokes.
However, I have no problem with people eating what they like.
Robert
2019-09-10 22:40:33 UTC
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Most religions believe murder is wrong.
Most _everyone_ believes murder is wrong; we don't need a god to know that.
Even animal societies know that arbitrary killing is wrong; no god needed.
Totally wrong Dragon Breath, totally wrong. :)
No society can survive if it allowed members to arbitrarily kill.
Then you cannot live.
I do live and I don't kill. We don't need a god to tell us that we
shouldn't run around killing our fellow citizens. No society,
including animal/insect/bacteria societies, can allow its members
to run around killing each other. No god needed.
Same for stealing, lying, and many other "moral" issues. No god needed.
Because you buy food from killers does that exonerate you from your
moral dilemma? No.
Everything you eat has been killed except fruit.
Robert, besides being a goddamned "liar for Jesus" you're also an idiot.
LOL.
Well, sad to say you are as dumb as a rock. Fruit, ripe fruit is dead.
Not alive.
I have to agree with Atheist at least on a few points. We don't need
to kill to eat. Fruits, vegetables, nuts and berries, and all of it is
better for us than animal fats. And no..before I was even aware of the
possibility of a Creator I knew it was wrong to kill.
Well this whole thread is facetious at best.
No matter what we eat something has to die. And all the live veggies
feel "pain" and scream out if you tag them with the proper electrodes
and measure their reactions.
You don't eat the parent plant, Robert. You eat the fruit from them
like tomatoes, brussel sprouts, strawberries, blackberries. You
never eat the parent plant!
Ever hear of greens? Carrots top and root, beets, top and root,
lettuces, etc. Asparagus, grasses like chive, sprouts and all the
great spinach? :)
Let me know when you catch one of them screaming in pain...
That's like asking me to let you know when a fish feels the pain of a
hookset in its guts.
Ahahahaha! Give me a break!!! Lol! You've been listening to those
California liberals! :>))
I'm thinking seriously about selling out and moving out. Or is it time
to stand and fight like America did before.
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Post by Robert
Or a babies primal scream in the stomach of its mother when it hears a
loud sudden noise or feels the terror of its mom. Because a man is
mute does not mean he doesn't feel pain. IYKWIM
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Post by Robert
I have no problem with killing to eat, lol, except of course humans.
As I said, fruit when it is ripe dies and falls of the plant.
Animal fat is useful for the brain, reduces strokes.
However, I have no problem with people eating what they like.
--
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
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Most religions believe murder is wrong.
Most _everyone_ believes murder is wrong; we don't need a god =
to know that.
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Even animal societies know that arbitrary killing is wrong; no =
god needed.
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Totally wrong Dragon Breath, totally wrong. :)
No society can survive if it allowed members to arbitrarily kill.
Then you cannot live.
I do live and I don't kill. We don't need a god to tell us that we
shouldn't run around killing our fellow citizens. No society,
including animal/insect/bacteria societies, can allow its members
to run around killing each other. No god needed.
Same for stealing, lying, and many other "moral" issues. No god =
needed.
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Post by Robert
Because you buy food from killers does that exonerate you from your
moral dilemma? No.
Everything you eat has been killed except fruit.
I have no problem with killing to eat, lol, except of course humans.
As I said, fruit when it is ripe dies and falls of the plant.
Animal fat is useful for the brain, reduces strokes.
Ya...ya, Bobby...advice recommended by cardiologists everywhere.



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However, I have no problem with people eating what they like.
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2019-09-10 16:29:23 UTC
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Most religions believe murder is wrong.
Most _everyone_ believes murder is wrong; we don't need a god =
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Even animal societies know that arbitrary killing is wrong; no =
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Totally wrong Dragon Breath, totally wrong. :)
No society can survive if it allowed members to arbitrarily kill.
Then you cannot live.
I do live and I don't kill. We don't need a god to tell us that we
shouldn't run around killing our fellow citizens. No society,
including animal/insect/bacteria societies, can allow its members
to run around killing each other. No god needed.
Same for stealing, lying, and many other "moral" issues. No god =
needed.
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Post by Robert
Because you buy food from killers does that exonerate you from your
moral dilemma? No.
Everything you eat has been killed except fruit.
I have no problem with killing to eat, lol, except of course humans.
As I said, fruit when it is ripe dies and falls of the plant.
Animal fat is useful for the brain, reduces strokes.
Ya...ya, Bobby...advice recommended by cardiologists everywhere.
Whether you know it or not cut back on red meats after a heart attack
and or surgery often results in strokes. Proven fact.
--
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
Miloch
2019-09-10 16:45:15 UTC
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Because you buy food from killers does that exonerate you from =
your
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moral dilemma? No.
Everything you eat has been killed except fruit.
I have no problem with killing to eat, lol, except of course humans.
As I said, fruit when it is ripe dies and falls of the plant.
Animal fat is useful for the brain, reduces strokes.
Ya...ya, Bobby...advice recommended by cardiologists everywhere.
Whether you know it or not cut back on red meats after a heart attack
and or surgery often results in strokes. Proven fact.
Prove it...what's your source?


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--=20
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to =
God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that =
diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
Robert
2019-09-10 18:29:04 UTC
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Because you buy food from killers does that exonerate you from =
your
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moral dilemma? No.
Everything you eat has been killed except fruit.
I have no problem with killing to eat, lol, except of course humans.
As I said, fruit when it is ripe dies and falls of the plant.
Animal fat is useful for the brain, reduces strokes.
Ya...ya, Bobby...advice recommended by cardiologists everywhere.
Whether you know it or not cut back on red meats after a heart attack
and or surgery often results in strokes. Proven fact.
Prove it...what's your source?
Milli, its been well known for over a decade. It is easy enough for
you to find if you really care to.
--
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
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Because you buy food from killers does that exonerate you from =3D
your
Post by Miloch
Post by Robert
moral dilemma? No.
Everything you eat has been killed except fruit.
I have no problem with killing to eat, lol, except of course humans.
As I said, fruit when it is ripe dies and falls of the plant.
Animal fat is useful for the brain, reduces strokes.
Ya...ya, Bobby...advice recommended by cardiologists everywhere.
Whether you know it or not cut back on red meats after a heart attack
and or surgery often results in strokes. Proven fact.
Prove it...what's your source?
Milli, its been well known for over a decade. It is easy enough for
you to find if you really care to.
Ah!...so ya ain't got shit!


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2019-09-10 22:37:20 UTC
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Ah!...so ya ain't got shit!
No, it just isn't worth the slight trouble to prove I am right.
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(Heb 11:6 KJV)
Miloch
2019-09-11 00:08:31 UTC
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Ah!...so ya ain't got shit! =20
No, it just isn't worth the slight trouble to prove I am right.
You're really President Trump...aincha!...Is Melania still sleeping in a
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2019-09-10 23:30:12 UTC
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Because you buy food from killers does that exonerate you from =3D
your
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moral dilemma? No.
Everything you eat has been killed except fruit.
I have no problem with killing to eat, lol, except of course humans.
As I said, fruit when it is ripe dies and falls of the plant.
Animal fat is useful for the brain, reduces strokes.
Ya...ya, Bobby...advice recommended by cardiologists everywhere.
Whether you know it or not cut back on red meats after a heart attack
and or surgery often results in strokes. Proven fact.
Prove it...what's your source?
Milli, its been well known for over a decade. It is easy enough for
you to find if you really care to.
Ah!...so ya ain't got shit!
They are saying it is the bad fat, the wrong cholesterol that is the
likely naughty boy. Personally, I think if you go vegetarian that would
lower the risk of heart attack. Myself, I love a BBQ steak and sausages
but I only have it say, once every 2 weeks. My wife organises all that
we eat; she likes it that way and I don't mind as she likes to cook.

She normally does not eat red meat, maybe once a year. However, she
does have a perfect blood pressure and pulse, though that could just be
genetics. I also have a good blood pressure with slightly higher pulse
with a few irregularities occasionally, ectopics and the like. I think
that is diet related, but normally, I run like clockwork.

I figure though, once you are old enough, eat whatever you like and
enjoy it. Y'know the old story though, everything in moderation to keep
everything on an even keel.







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Miloch
2019-09-11 00:18:48 UTC
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As I said, fruit when it is ripe dies and falls of the plant.
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Animal fat is useful for the brain, reduces strokes.
Ya...ya, Bobby...advice recommended by cardiologists everywhere.
Whether you know it or not cut back on red meats after a heart attack
and or surgery often results in strokes. Proven fact.
Prove it...what's your source?
Milli, its been well known for over a decade. It is easy enough for
you to find if you really care to.
Ah!...so ya ain't got shit!
They are saying it is the bad fat, the wrong cholesterol that is the
likely naughty boy. Personally, I think if you go vegetarian that would
lower the risk of heart attack. Myself, I love a BBQ steak and sausages
but I only have it say, once every 2 weeks. My wife organises all that
we eat; she likes it that way and I don't mind as she likes to cook.
She normally does not eat red meat, maybe once a year. However, she
does have a perfect blood pressure and pulse, though that could just be
genetics. I also have a good blood pressure with slightly higher pulse
with a few irregularities occasionally, ectopics and the like. I think
that is diet related, but normally, I run like clockwork.
I figure though, once you are old enough, eat whatever you like and
enjoy it. Y'know the old story though, everything in moderation to keep
everything on an even keel.
Michael Christ
Eh...a REAL Aussie just scrapes whatever's stuck to his 'roo bar' and eats it
raw along with room a temperature Fosters.




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2019-09-11 12:41:21 UTC
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Most religions believe murder is wrong.
Most _everyone_ believes murder is wrong; we don't need a god to know that.
Even animal societies know that arbitrary killing is wrong; no god needed.
Totally wrong Dragon Breath, totally wrong. :)
No society can survive if it allowed members to arbitrarily kill.
Then you cannot live.
I do live and I don't kill. We don't need a god to tell us that we
shouldn't run around killing our fellow citizens. No society,
including animal/insect/bacteria societies, can allow its members
to run around killing each other. No god needed.
Same for stealing, lying, and many other "moral" issues. No god needed.
Because you buy food from killers does that exonerate you from your
moral dilemma? No.
Everything you eat has been killed except fruit.
Robert, besides being a goddamned "liar for Jesus" you're also an idiot.
LOL.
Well, sad to say you are as dumb as a rock. Fruit, ripe fruit is dead.
Not alive.
I have to agree with Atheist at least on a few points. We don't need
to kill to eat. Fruits, vegetables, nuts and berries, and all of it is
better for us than animal fats. And no..before I was even aware of the
possibility of a Creator I knew it was wrong to kill.
Well this whole thread is facetious at best.
No matter what we eat something has to die. And all the live veggies
feel "pain" and scream out if you tag them with the proper electrodes
and measure their reactions.
I have no problem with killing to eat, lol, except of course humans.
As I said, fruit when it is ripe dies and falls of the plant.
Animal fat is useful for the brain, reduces strokes.
However, I have no problem with people eating what they like.
1 Corinthians 10:25-26 New International Version (NIV)
25 Eat anything sold in the meat market without raising questions of conscience,
26 for, “The earth is the Lord’s, and everything in it.”

Matthew 15:11 New International Version (NIV)
11 What goes into someone’s mouth does not defile them, but what comes out of
their mouth, that is what defiles them.”

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Most religions believe murder is wrong.
Most _everyone_ believes murder is wrong; we don't need a god to know that.
Even animal societies know that arbitrary killing is wrong; no god needed.
Totally wrong Dragon Breath, totally wrong. :)
No society can survive if it allowed members to arbitrarily kill.
Then you cannot live.
I do live and I don't kill. We don't need a god to tell us that we
shouldn't run around killing our fellow citizens.
Yes, you do live and you DO listen to your God-given soul. That's exactly why
you know it's wrong to murder.
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No society,
including animal/insect/bacteria societies, can allow its members
to run around killing each other. No god needed.
Same for stealing, lying, and many other "moral" issues. No god needed.
the dukester
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Most religions believe murder is wrong.
Most _everyone_ believes murder is wrong; we don't need a god to know that.
Even animal societies know that arbitrary killing is wrong; no god needed.
Totally wrong Dragon Breath, totally wrong. :)
No society can survive if it allowed members to arbitrarily kill.
Then you cannot live.
I do live and I don't kill. We don't need a god to tell us that we
shouldn't run around killing our fellow citizens.
Yes, you do live and you DO listen to your God-given soul.
Fact: you have no verifiable evidence your god is real.

Fact: you have no verifiable evidence a soul exists.

Fact: you're all bullshit.

lol
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Christian: a person afraid of a perpetually hiding [imaginary] god.
Extortion (Believe or Burn) is _THE_ foundation of Christianity.
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2019-09-08 16:41:24 UTC
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Most religions believe murder is wrong.
Most _everyone_ believes murder is wrong; we don't need a god to know that.
Even animal societies know that arbitrary killing is wrong; no god needed.
Totally wrong Dragon Breath, totally wrong. :)
No society can survive if it allowed members to arbitrarily kill.
Then you cannot live.
I do live and I don't kill. We don't need a god to tell us that we
shouldn't run around killing our fellow citizens.
Yes, you do live and you DO listen to your God-given soul.
Fact: you have no verifiable evidence your god is real.
Creation proves that.
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Fact: you have no verifiable evidence a soul exists.
The visible moral characteristics of all mankind proves that.
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Fact: you're all bullshit.
The bullshit you see is in you.
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lol
the dukester
Miloch
2019-09-08 22:05:22 UTC
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On Sat, 31 Aug 2019 23:32:42 -0700, ----------- A t h e i s t ------------
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Fact: you have no verifiable evidence a soul exists.
The visible moral characteristics of all mankind proves that.
Post by ----------- A t h e i s t ------------
Fact: you're all bullshit.
The bullshit you see is in you.
I believe it's Old Testament...so the correct saying is "The bullshit you see is
WITH-in you".

It could also be a line from one of the songs by the Beatles...after their trip
to India for a Transcendental Meditation training course at the ashram of
Maharishi Mahesh Yogi.



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lol
the dukester
d***@cox.net
2019-09-11 20:06:17 UTC
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On Sat, 31 Aug 2019 23:32:42 -0700, ----------- A t h e i s t ------------
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Fact: you have no verifiable evidence a soul exists.
The visible moral characteristics of all mankind proves that.
Post by ----------- A t h e i s t ------------
Fact: you're all bullshit.
The bullshit you see is in you.
I believe it's Old Testament...so the correct saying is "The bullshit you see is
WITH-in you".
Matthew 15:11 New International Version (NIV)
11 What goes into someone’s mouth does not defile them, but what comes out of
their mouth, that is what defiles them.”

the dukester
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Most religions believe murder is wrong.
Most _everyone_ believes murder is wrong; we don't need a god to know that.
Even animal societies know that arbitrary killing is wrong; no god needed.
Totally wrong Dragon Breath, totally wrong. :)
No society can survive if it allowed members to arbitrarily kill.
Then you cannot live.
I do live and I don't kill. We don't need a god to tell us that we
shouldn't run around killing our fellow citizens.
Yes, you do live and you DO listen to your God-given soul.
Fact: you have no verifiable evidence your god is real.
Creation proves that.
You have no evidence of a "creation" and it is 1)far more plausible
that no god exists, and 2)near certain that your Christian god is
only an imaginary monster.
--
There is no verifiable evidence of any god(s). None whatsoever.
Christian: a person afraid of a perpetually hiding [imaginary] god.
Extortion (Believe or Burn) is _THE_ foundation of Christianity.
d***@cox.net
2019-09-11 20:07:18 UTC
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Post by Robert
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Post by Robert
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Most religions believe murder is wrong.
Most _everyone_ believes murder is wrong; we don't need a god to know that.
Even animal societies know that arbitrary killing is wrong; no god needed.
Totally wrong Dragon Breath, totally wrong. :)
No society can survive if it allowed members to arbitrarily kill.
Then you cannot live.
I do live and I don't kill. We don't need a god to tell us that we
shouldn't run around killing our fellow citizens.
Yes, you do live and you DO listen to your God-given soul.
Fact: you have no verifiable evidence your god is real.
Creation proves that.
You have no evidence of a "creation"
And you have no evidence to support anything but creation by an almighty God.
Post by ----------- A t h e i s t ------------
and it is 1)far more plausible
that no god exists, and 2)near certain that your Christian god is
only an imaginary monster.
the dukester
Siri Cruise
2019-08-25 23:30:01 UTC
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It is our own _selfish_ best interest to get along with others; that
is our evolutionary best strategy for survival. Recent AI research
backs up that 'best strategy'.
No. Nearly everyone experiences pain when watching other people in pain. It's
part of human biology: its a feature of our brain. And empathy is the basis of
morality.

Also you can experience joy when watching joy. Go to a park and watch all the
happy shiny people around you; you will come home uplifted.


Celebrating death of anyone makes you a little bit meaner. It slowly corrupts
you. Watch some documentaries and movies on the Nuremberg trials.
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It is our own _selfish_ best interest to get along with others; that
is our evolutionary best strategy for survival. Recent AI research
backs up that 'best strategy'.
No. Nearly everyone experiences pain when watching other people in pain. It's
part of human biology: its a feature of our brain. And empathy is the basis of
morality.
Also you can experience joy when watching joy. Go to a park and watch all the
happy shiny people around you; you will come home uplifted.
Celebrating death of anyone makes you a little bit meaner. It slowly corrupts
you. Watch some documentaries and movies on the Nuremberg trials.
--
There is no verifiable evidence of any god(s). None whatsoever.
Christian: a person afraid of a perpetually hiding [imaginary] god.
Extortion (Believe or Burn) is _THE_ foundation of Christianity.
Gronk
2019-09-08 05:36:20 UTC
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Peoples made their own laws before afflicted with religion.
Robert
2019-09-08 06:50:39 UTC
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Peoples made their own laws before afflicted with religion.
The sense of right or wrong, the knowledge of it came with the eating
of the forbidden fruit. Yes, way before religion.
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But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
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2019-09-08 07:03:54 UTC
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Peoples made their own laws before afflicted with religion.
The sense of right or wrong, the knowledge of it came with
Being humans.
Post by Robert
the eating of the forbidden fruit.
A jewish notion invented by ignorant goat-herders.
Post by Robert
Yes, way before religion.
Wrong. The *very notion* of a "forbidden" fruit is religious in its essence.
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Robert
2019-09-08 08:42:27 UTC
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Peoples made their own laws before afflicted with religion.
The sense of right or wrong, the knowledge of it came with
Being humans.
Most certainly.
Post by Olrik
Post by Robert
the eating of the forbidden fruit.
A jewish notion invented by ignorant goat-herders.
There was no "notion", and your idea of what the people were or
descended from is without understanding. Abraham, not a Jew, was far
richer than the five kings around him. Isaac his son inherited all his
wealth, and one of his sons Joseph ruled the land of Egypt for the
Pharaoh at the time. Were the Egyptian people ignorant goat herders?
Post by Olrik
Post by Robert
Yes, way before religion.
Wrong. The *very notion* of a "forbidden" fruit is religious in its essence.
Your notion of what a religion is incorrect, and you are in essence
following the religion of atheism.
--
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
d***@cox.net
2019-09-08 12:46:36 UTC
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Post by Olrik
Post by Robert
Post by Gronk
Peoples made their own laws before afflicted with religion.
The sense of right or wrong, the knowledge of it came with
Being humans.
Most certainly.
Post by Olrik
Post by Robert
the eating of the forbidden fruit.
A jewish notion invented by ignorant goat-herders.
There was no "notion", and your idea of what the people were or
descended from is without understanding. Abraham, not a Jew, was far
richer than the five kings around him. Isaac his son inherited all his
wealth, and one of his sons Joseph ruled the land of Egypt for the
Pharaoh at the time. Were the Egyptian people ignorant goat herders?
Abraham is widely known as the first Jew 1 —including in some excellent articles
on our site. 2 But Abraham (and all the forefathers) lived well before the
exodus from Egypt and the giving of the Torah at Sinai—the two defining events
in Jewish history.
Post by Robert
Post by Olrik
Post by Robert
Yes, way before religion.
Wrong. The *very notion* of a "forbidden" fruit is religious in its essence.
Fruit is meaningless. The sin is defying God's direction.
Post by Robert
Your notion of what a religion is incorrect, and you are in essence
following the religion of atheism.
Wow, a muslim calling another man an atheist.

the dukester
Siri Cruise
2019-09-08 16:25:34 UTC
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Abraham is widely known as the first Jew 1 —including in some excellent
Judah was the first jew.
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Robert
2019-09-08 18:15:00 UTC
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Abraham is widely known as the first Jew 1 —including in some excellent
Judah was the first jew.
ROTFL. Seems you quoted the ignorant one. Abraham, the father of many
nations in the middle east was the father of the Arabs. Plus the
Israelites. There were no "Jews" until after 430+ years after their
bondage to Egypt.
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But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
d***@cox.net
2019-09-09 12:53:46 UTC
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Abraham is widely known as the first Jew 1 —including in some excellent
Judah was the first jew.
Your point?

Judah was, according to the Book of Genesis, the fourth son of Jacob and Leah,
the founder of the Israelite Tribe of Judah. By extension, he is indirectly
eponymous of the Kingdom of Judah, the land of Judea and the word "Jew".

the dukester
Ted
2019-09-09 19:23:58 UTC
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Post by d***@cox.net
Abraham is widely known as the first Jew 1 —including in some excellent
Judah was the first jew.
Your point?
Judah was, according to the Book of Genesis, the fourth son of
Jacob and Leah,
the founder of the Israelite Tribe of Judah. By extension, he is indirectly
eponymous of the Kingdom of Judah, the land of Judea and the word "Jew".
the dukester
Why did you ask her point if you already knew what it was? Wait,
lemme guess. You didn't understand what you copied and pasted, right?
Don Martin
2019-09-10 06:05:32 UTC
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Post by Siri Cruise
Post by d***@cox.net
Abraham is widely known as the first Jew 1 —including in some
excellent
Post by Siri Cruise
Judah was the first jew.
Your point?
Judah was, according to the Book of Genesis, the fourth son of
Jacob and Leah,
the founder of the Israelite Tribe of Judah. By extension, he is
indirectly
eponymous of the Kingdom of Judah, the land of Judea and the word
"Jew".
the dukester
Why did you ask her point if you already knew what it was? Wait,
lemme guess. You didn't understand what you copied and pasted, right?
Why should Doook deviate from his regular practice?
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Never mind "proof;" where's your evidence?
Miloch
2019-09-08 16:53:52 UTC
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Post by Robert
Post by Olrik
Post by Robert
Post by Gronk
Peoples made their own laws before afflicted with religion.
The sense of right or wrong, the knowledge of it came with
Being humans.
Most certainly.
Post by Olrik
Post by Robert
the eating of the forbidden fruit.
A jewish notion invented by ignorant goat-herders.
There was no "notion", and your idea of what the people were or
descended from is without understanding. Abraham, not a Jew, was far
richer than the five kings around him. Isaac his son inherited all his
wealth, and one of his sons Joseph ruled the land of Egypt for the
Pharaoh at the time. Were the Egyptian people ignorant goat herders?
Abraham is widely known as the first Jew 1 —including in some excellent articles
on our site. 2 But Abraham (and all the forefathers) lived well before the
exodus from Egypt and the giving of the Torah at Sinai—the two defining events
in Jewish history.
Abraham is most well known as the first in Biblical history to believe in
monotheism...the belief in one god.

More from Wiki...

"The Abraham story cannot be definitively related to any specific time, and it
is widely agreed that the patriarchal age, along with the exodus and the period
of the judges, is a late literary construct that does not relate to any period
in actual history. A common hypothesis among scholars is that it was composed in
the early Persian period (late 6th century BCE) as a result of tensions between
Jewish landowners who had stayed in Judah during the Babylonian captivity and
traced their right to the land through their "father Abraham", and the returning
exiles who based their counter-claim on Moses and the Exodus tradition.


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2019-09-08 18:48:45 UTC
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Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Robert
Post by Olrik
Post by Robert
Post by Gronk
Peoples made their own laws before afflicted with religion.
The sense of right or wrong, the knowledge of it came with
Being humans.
Most certainly.
Post by Olrik
Post by Robert
the eating of the forbidden fruit.
A jewish notion invented by ignorant goat-herders.
There was no "notion", and your idea of what the people were or
descended from is without understanding. Abraham, not a Jew, was far
richer than the five kings around him. Isaac his son inherited all his
wealth, and one of his sons Joseph ruled the land of Egypt for the
Pharaoh at the time. Were the Egyptian people ignorant goat herders?
Abraham is widely known as the first Jew 1 —including in some excellent articles
on our site. 2 But Abraham (and all the forefathers) lived well before the
exodus from Egypt and the giving of the Torah at Sinai—the two defining events
in Jewish history.
Abraham is most well known as the first in Biblical history to believe in
monotheism...the belief in one god.
In Biblical history the first was Adam, and his descendents. After
that only a few were mentioned as being followers of God, until the
days of Noah and his family.
Post by Miloch
More from Wiki...
"The Abraham story cannot be definitively related to any specific time, and it
is widely agreed that the patriarchal age, along with the exodus and the period
of the judges, is a late literary construct that does not relate to any period
in actual history. A common hypothesis among scholars is that it was composed in
the early Persian period (late 6th century BCE) as a result of tensions between
Jewish landowners who had stayed in Judah during the Babylonian captivity and
traced their right to the land through their "father Abraham", and the returning
exiles who based their counter-claim on Moses and the Exodus tradition.
*
1st cardinal rule, if its on the Internet it must be true.
2nd, If it is in WIKI then it is a undeniable truth.

All the OT books were written from approximately the 1660s B.C. to the
400s B.C.

Obviously those scholars you mention here never graduated from grammar
school. :)
--
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
Miloch
2019-09-08 22:11:46 UTC
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Post by Olrik
=20
Post by Gronk
Peoples made their own laws before afflicted with religion.
=20
The sense of right or wrong, the knowledge of it came with=20
Being humans.
Most certainly.
Post by Olrik
the eating of the forbidden fruit.=20
A jewish notion invented by ignorant goat-herders.
There was no "notion", and your idea of what the people were or
descended from is without understanding. Abraham, not a Jew, was far
richer than the five kings around him. Isaac his son inherited all his
wealth, and one of his sons Joseph ruled the land of Egypt for the
Pharaoh at the time. Were the Egyptian people ignorant goat herders?
Abraham is widely known as the first Jew 1 =97including in some =
excellent articles
Post by Miloch
on our site. 2 But Abraham (and all the forefathers) lived well before =
the
Post by Miloch
exodus from Egypt and the giving of the Torah at Sinai=97the two =
defining events
Post by Miloch
in Jewish history.
Abraham is most well known as the first in Biblical history to believe =
in
Post by Miloch
monotheism...the belief in one god.
In Biblical history the first was Adam, and his descendents. After
that only a few were mentioned as being followers of God, until the
days of Noah and his family.
Post by Miloch
More from Wiki...
"The Abraham story cannot be definitively related to any specific time, =
and it
Post by Miloch
is widely agreed that the patriarchal age, along with the exodus and the=
period
Post by Miloch
of the judges, is a late literary construct that does not relate to any =
period
Post by Miloch
in actual history. A common hypothesis among scholars is that it was =
composed in
Post by Miloch
the early Persian period (late 6th century BCE) as a result of tensions =
between
Post by Miloch
Jewish landowners who had stayed in Judah during the Babylonian =
captivity and
Post by Miloch
traced their right to the land through their "father Abraham", and the =
returning
Post by Miloch
exiles who based their counter-claim on Moses and the Exodus tradition.
*
1st cardinal rule, if its on the Internet it must be true.
2nd, If it is in WIKI then it is a undeniable truth.
All the OT books were written from approximately the 1660s B.C. to the
400s B.C.
Obviously those scholars you mention here never graduated from grammar
school. :)
Mmmm...ya....so you're in perfect agreement with Wiki.



*
Post by d***@cox.net
--=20
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to =
God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that =
diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
Robert
2019-09-09 00:43:07 UTC
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Post by Miloch
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Post by Robert
Post by Olrik
=20
Post by Gronk
Peoples made their own laws before afflicted with religion.
=20
The sense of right or wrong, the knowledge of it came with=20
Being humans.
Most certainly.
Post by Olrik
the eating of the forbidden fruit.=20
A jewish notion invented by ignorant goat-herders.
There was no "notion", and your idea of what the people were or
descended from is without understanding. Abraham, not a Jew, was far
richer than the five kings around him. Isaac his son inherited all his
wealth, and one of his sons Joseph ruled the land of Egypt for the
Pharaoh at the time. Were the Egyptian people ignorant goat herders?
Abraham is widely known as the first Jew 1 =97including in some =
excellent articles
Post by Miloch
on our site. 2 But Abraham (and all the forefathers) lived well before =
the
Post by Miloch
exodus from Egypt and the giving of the Torah at Sinai=97the two =
defining events
Post by Miloch
in Jewish history.
Abraham is most well known as the first in Biblical history to believe =
in
Post by Miloch
monotheism...the belief in one god.
In Biblical history the first was Adam, and his descendents. After
that only a few were mentioned as being followers of God, until the
days of Noah and his family.
Post by Miloch
More from Wiki...
"The Abraham story cannot be definitively related to any specific time, =
and it
Post by Miloch
is widely agreed that the patriarchal age, along with the exodus and the=
period
Post by Miloch
of the judges, is a late literary construct that does not relate to any =
period
Post by Miloch
in actual history. A common hypothesis among scholars is that it was =
composed in
Post by Miloch
the early Persian period (late 6th century BCE) as a result of tensions =
between
Post by Miloch
Jewish landowners who had stayed in Judah during the Babylonian =
captivity and
Post by Miloch
traced their right to the land through their "father Abraham", and the =
returning
Post by Miloch
exiles who based their counter-claim on Moses and the Exodus tradition.
*
1st cardinal rule, if its on the Internet it must be true.
2nd, If it is in WIKI then it is a undeniable truth.
All the OT books were written from approximately the 1660s B.C. to the
400s B.C.
Obviously those scholars you mention here never graduated from grammar
school. :)
Mmmm...ya....so you're in perfect agreement with Wiki.
Are you really no smarter than Duke?
--
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
Miloch
2019-09-09 02:02:25 UTC
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Post by Miloch
Post by Robert
Post by Miloch
says...
1st cardinal rule, if its on the Internet it must be true.
2nd, If it is in WIKI then it is a undeniable truth.
All the OT books were written from approximately the 1660s B.C. to the
400s B.C.
Obviously those scholars you mention here never graduated from grammar
school. :)
Mmmm...ya....so you're in perfect agreement with Wiki.
Are you really no smarter than Duke?
It's pretty obvious that both the Dukester and me are smarter than you, Bobby.

Suggestion:

Eh...just watch a couple hours of Jimmy Swaggart and that'll rinse your
conscience of any impure thoughts...or any other thoughts for that matter.

...and by all means follow the teachings, ruminations, opinions and Biblical
interpretations of Debra Dee.



*
Post by Robert
--=20
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to =
God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that =
diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
Robert
2019-09-09 02:59:57 UTC
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Post by Robert
Post by Miloch
Post by Robert
Post by Miloch
says...
1st cardinal rule, if its on the Internet it must be true.
2nd, If it is in WIKI then it is a undeniable truth.
All the OT books were written from approximately the 1660s B.C. to the
400s B.C.
Obviously those scholars you mention here never graduated from grammar
school. :)
Mmmm...ya....so you're in perfect agreement with Wiki.
Are you really no smarter than Duke?
It's pretty obvious that both the Dukester and me are smarter than you, Bobby.
Eh...just watch a couple hours of Jimmy Swaggart and that'll rinse your
conscience of any impure thoughts...or any other thoughts for that matter.
...and by all means follow the teachings, ruminations, opinions and Biblical
interpretations of Debra Dee.
LOL, DD the day tripper? She is so far off base that she plays
baseball on a football field.

That you consider yourself on par with Earl <snicker> life must be
rough for you.
--
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
Miloch
2019-09-09 05:30:09 UTC
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Post by Robert
Post by Miloch
Obviously those scholars you mention here never graduated from =
grammar
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Post by Miloch
school. :)
Mmmm...ya....so you're in perfect agreement with Wiki.
Are you really no smarter than Duke?
It's pretty obvious that both the Dukester and me are smarter than you, =
Bobby.
Eh...just watch a couple hours of Jimmy Swaggart and that'll rinse your
conscience of any impure thoughts...or any other thoughts for that =
matter.
...and by all means follow the teachings, ruminations, opinions and =
Biblical
interpretations of Debra Dee.
LOL, DD the day tripper? She is so far off base that she plays
baseball on a football field.
Eh....she's only slightly off-kilter. Watching some soft-core porn would add
some balance to her life.



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Post by Robert
That you consider yourself on par with Earl <snicker> life must be
rough for you.
--=20
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to =
God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that =
diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
d***@cox.net
2019-09-09 21:47:40 UTC
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Post by Robert
Post by Robert
Post by Miloch
Obviously those scholars you mention here never graduated from =
grammar
Post by Robert
Post by Miloch
school. :)
Mmmm...ya....so you're in perfect agreement with Wiki.
Are you really no smarter than Duke?
It's pretty obvious that both the Dukester and me are smarter than you, =
Bobby.
Eh...just watch a couple hours of Jimmy Swaggart and that'll rinse your
conscience of any impure thoughts...or any other thoughts for that =
matter.
...and by all means follow the teachings, ruminations, opinions and =
Biblical
interpretations of Debra Dee.
LOL, DD the day tripper? She is so far off base that she plays
baseball on a football field.
Eh....she's only slightly off-kilter. Watching some soft-core porn would add
some balance to her life.
Go is robert, but a lot more off kilter.

the dukester
d***@cox.net
2019-09-09 21:45:58 UTC
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Post by Robert
Post by Miloch
Post by Robert
Post by Miloch
says...
1st cardinal rule, if its on the Internet it must be true.
2nd, If it is in WIKI then it is a undeniable truth.
All the OT books were written from approximately the 1660s B.C. to the
400s B.C.
Obviously those scholars you mention here never graduated from grammar
school. :)
Mmmm...ya....so you're in perfect agreement with Wiki.
Are you really no smarter than Duke?
It's pretty obvious that both the Dukester and me are smarter than you, Bobby.
A lot of people are smarter that robert the muslim.
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Eh...just watch a couple hours of Jimmy Swaggart and that'll rinse your
conscience of any impure thoughts...
the dukester
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Peoples made their own laws before afflicted with religion.
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The sense of right or wrong, the knowledge of it came with=20
Being humans.
Most certainly.
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the eating of the forbidden fruit.=20
A jewish notion invented by ignorant goat-herders.
There was no "notion", and your idea of what the people were or
descended from is without understanding. Abraham, not a Jew, was far
richer than the five kings around him. Isaac his son inherited all his
wealth, and one of his sons Joseph ruled the land of Egypt for the
Pharaoh at the time. Were the Egyptian people ignorant goat herders?
Abraham is widely known as the first Jew 1 =97including in some =
excellent articles
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on our site. 2 But Abraham (and all the forefathers) lived well before =
the
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exodus from Egypt and the giving of the Torah at Sinai=97the two =
defining events
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in Jewish history.
Abraham is most well known as the first in Biblical history to believe =
in
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monotheism...the belief in one god.
In Biblical history the first was Adam, and his descendents. After
that only a few were mentioned as being followers of God, until the
days of Noah and his family.
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More from Wiki...
"The Abraham story cannot be definitively related to any specific time, =
and it
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is widely agreed that the patriarchal age, along with the exodus and the=
period
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of the judges, is a late literary construct that does not relate to any =
period
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in actual history. A common hypothesis among scholars is that it was =
composed in
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the early Persian period (late 6th century BCE) as a result of tensions =
between
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Jewish landowners who had stayed in Judah during the Babylonian =
captivity and
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traced their right to the land through their "father Abraham", and the =
returning
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exiles who based their counter-claim on Moses and the Exodus tradition.
*
1st cardinal rule, if its on the Internet it must be true.
2nd, If it is in WIKI then it is a undeniable truth.
All the OT books were written from approximately the 1660s B.C. to the
400s B.C.
Obviously those scholars you mention here never graduated from grammar
school. :)
Mmmm...ya....so you're in perfect agreement with Wiki.
Hmmmm........ya........he thinks wiki is the same as Scripture.

the dukester
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2019-09-09 21:33:37 UTC
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Peoples made their own laws before afflicted with religion.
The sense of right or wrong, the knowledge of it came with
Being humans.
Most certainly.
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Post by Robert
the eating of the forbidden fruit.
A jewish notion invented by ignorant goat-herders.
There was no "notion", and your idea of what the people were or
descended from is without understanding. Abraham, not a Jew, was far
richer than the five kings around him. Isaac his son inherited all his
wealth, and one of his sons Joseph ruled the land of Egypt for the
Pharaoh at the time. Were the Egyptian people ignorant goat herders?
Abraham is widely known as the first Jew 1 —including in some excellent articles
on our site. 2 But Abraham (and all the forefathers) lived well before the
exodus from Egypt and the giving of the Torah at Sinai—the two defining events
in Jewish history.
Abraham is most well known as the first in Biblical history to believe in
monotheism...the belief in one god.
In Biblical history the first was Adam
Now this is what happens when you let a muslim loose on the Chrisitan community.
He doesn't realize that there was no Adam and Eve is history. They were
hypothetical is Adam = mankind and Eve = mother of mankind.

, and his descendents. After
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that only a few were mentioned as being followers of God, until the
days of Noah and his family.
There was no Noah either.
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Post by Miloch
More from Wiki...
"The Abraham story cannot be definitively related to any specific time, and it
is widely agreed that the patriarchal age, along with the exodus and the period
of the judges, is a late literary construct that does not relate to any period
in actual history. A common hypothesis among scholars is that it was composed in
the early Persian period (late 6th century BCE) as a result of tensions between
Jewish landowners who had stayed in Judah during the Babylonian captivity and
traced their right to the land through their "father Abraham", and the returning
exiles who based their counter-claim on Moses and the Exodus tradition.
1st cardinal rule, if its on the Internet it must be true.
2nd, If it is in WIKI then it is a undeniable truth.
Yeah, you truly got sucked in.


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Peoples made their own laws before afflicted with religion.
The sense of right or wrong, the knowledge of it came with the eating
of the forbidden fruit. Yes, way before religion.
People have an innate sense of right and wrong irrespective of what
the priests tell them of a gods likes and dislikes.

Unfortunately the "forbidden" fruit is the sweetest fruit and all the
more so for being forbidden.

Then we have a competitive streak too - tell me I can't do something
and I'll feel the need to prove you wrong.
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2019-09-08 12:47:45 UTC
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Peoples made their own laws before afflicted with religion.
The sense of right or wrong, the knowledge of it came with the eating
of the forbidden fruit. Yes, way before religion.
People have an innate sense of right and wrong irrespective of what
the priests tell them of a gods likes and dislikes.
Unfortunately the "forbidden" fruit is the sweetest fruit and all the
more so for being forbidden.
Then we have a competitive streak too - tell me I can't do something
and I'll feel the need to prove you wrong.
Not only people, but other primates exhibit a sense of fairness: pairs of
monkeys in separate cages given the same task but rewarded unequally (a
grape for one, a cucumber slice for the other) will elicit resentful looks
from the cucumber recipient and then his or her throwing the slice at the
human.
--
Never mind "proof;" where's your evidence?
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2019-09-08 18:10:30 UTC
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Peoples made their own laws before afflicted with religion.
The sense of right or wrong, the knowledge of it came with the eating
of the forbidden fruit. Yes, way before religion.
People have an innate sense of right and wrong irrespective of what
the priests tell them of a gods likes and dislikes.
Yes, and that capability has been evident since day one after Adam and
Eve were kicked out of the Garden.
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Unfortunately the "forbidden" fruit is the sweetest fruit and all the
more so for being forbidden.
And now the tree of life, eternal life, is the forbidden proof to
unrighteous men.
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Then we have a competitive streak too - tell me I can't do something
and I'll feel the need to prove you wrong.
Up to a point, you, me, and most anyone else. That stems from pride, a
root cause of sin/error.
--
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
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Peoples made their own laws before afflicted with religion.
The sense of right or wrong, the knowledge of it came with the eating
of the forbidden fruit. Yes, way before religion.
People have an innate sense of right and wrong irrespective of what
the priests tell them of a gods likes and dislikes.
Yes, and that capability has been evident since day one after Adam and
Eve were kicked out of the Garden.
Adam and Eve is a good story, but it isn't a literal historical fact.
The evidence supports evolution not divine shenanigans.

The human genome suggests we interbred with Neanderthals and
Denisovans and other hominids that have gone extinct, it doesn't
support Adam and Eve.
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Unfortunately the "forbidden" fruit is the sweetest fruit and all the
more so for being forbidden.
And now the tree of life, eternal life, is the forbidden proof to
unrighteous men.
Or the bible is just a story concocted to encourage men to do things
that aren't in their self-interest. A means of controlling people
without having to present justifications for those controls. A god
requires it, you can't question a god, nor should you...
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Then we have a competitive streak too - tell me I can't do something
and I'll feel the need to prove you wrong.
Up to a point, you, me, and most anyone else. That stems from pride, a
root cause of sin/error.
Not necessarily. If men don't strive and challenge themselves life
becomes dull and hardly worth the effort. We need challenges and a
certain amount of stress. Everyone's different and everyone has their
own needs when it comes to risk. If you are too comfortable you're
likely to become fat and lazy.

Pride, self-confidence, ambition, ego, etc., can all be "sins" or
virtues depending on context and degree.

Master a difficult passage on a musical instrument and you may be
proud of the accomplishment, that pride would not be "sinful."
Arrogant pride simply because you think you are better than others
would be "sinful."

Greed and ambition are very similar, context and degree determine
morality.
Robert
2019-09-08 22:01:13 UTC
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Peoples made their own laws before afflicted with religion.
The sense of right or wrong, the knowledge of it came with the eating
of the forbidden fruit. Yes, way before religion.
People have an innate sense of right and wrong irrespective of what
the priests tell them of a gods likes and dislikes.
Yes, and that capability has been evident since day one after Adam and
Eve were kicked out of the Garden.
Adam and Eve is a good story, but it isn't a literal historical fact.
The evidence supports evolution not divine shenanigans.
LOL, No educated person supports the theory of evolution any more,
only those with an agenda hang on to it in a thread of desperation.
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The human genome suggests we interbred with Neanderthals and
Denisovans and other hominids that have gone extinct, it doesn't
support Adam and Eve.
Only problem there is that there is no scientific evidence to support
that thought, and one has to exercise great human faith in order to
believe such tomfoolery. You'd be far better served in trying to trace
your heritage via Ape's and Monkey's.
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Unfortunately the "forbidden" fruit is the sweetest fruit and all the
more so for being forbidden.
And now the tree of life, eternal life, is the forbidden proof to
unrighteous men.
Or the bible is just a story concocted to encourage men to do things
that aren't in their self-interest. A means of controlling people
without having to present justifications for those controls. A god
requires it, you can't question a god, nor should you...
You will find nothing in the Holy Bible that supports that type of
thinking. Nice try though.
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Then we have a competitive streak too - tell me I can't do something
and I'll feel the need to prove you wrong.
Up to a point, you, me, and most anyone else. That stems from pride, a
root cause of sin/error.
Not necessarily. If men don't strive and challenge themselves life
becomes dull and hardly worth the effort. We need challenges and a
certain amount of stress. Everyone's different and everyone has their
own needs when it comes to risk. If you are too comfortable you're
likely to become fat and lazy.
If one is hungry enough they will work for a living. In the old days
they would farm and share with others by trading or the marketplace.

Yes, there are levels of being comfortable. From those on welfare and
all the way up to children of the wealthy living off their parents
skills.
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Pride, self-confidence, ambition, ego, etc., can all be "sins" or
virtues depending on context and degree.
Yes, that is true.
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Master a difficult passage on a musical instrument and you may be
proud of the accomplishment, that pride would not be "sinful."
Being proud or being prideful are basically two different things.
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Arrogant pride simply because you think you are better than others
would be "sinful."
Far too many people have blurred the meanings of those words.
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Greed and ambition are very similar, context and degree determine
morality.
Greed is always greed. It is overbearing, self willed, and yes it
motivates to an excess. It is usually harmful to others at some point
and time. One can be ambitious without greed, or pride. One can also
be ambitious with greed and pride, but then many mature people are
already aware of that.
--
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
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Peoples made their own laws before afflicted with religion.
The sense of right or wrong, the knowledge of it came with the eating
of the forbidden fruit. Yes, way before religion.
People have an innate sense of right and wrong irrespective of what
the priests tell them of a gods likes and dislikes.
Yes, and that capability has been evident since day one after Adam and
Eve were kicked out of the Garden.
Adam and Eve is a good story, but it isn't a literal historical fact.
The evidence supports evolution not divine shenanigans.
LOL, No educated person supports the theory of evolution any more,
only those with an agenda hang on to it in a thread of desperation.
Well, actually, educated people are the ones who do support the theory
of evolution. The theory is supported by evidence.
Post by Robert
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The human genome suggests we interbred with Neanderthals and
Denisovans and other hominids that have gone extinct, it doesn't
support Adam and Eve.
Only problem there is that there is no scientific evidence to support
that thought, and one has to exercise great human faith in order to
believe such tomfoolery. You'd be far better served in trying to trace
your heritage via Ape's and Monkey's.
Actually there's quite a lot of scientific evidence. And evidence
that says there's two other unknown species that interbred with modern
humans. (or early modern humans)

https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg23030700-700-the-4-genetic-traits-that-helped-humans-conquer-the-world/?utm_medium=PAC&utm_source=NSNS&intcmp=PACNSNS2018-inlinelink_addiction-ghostsindna
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/artificial-intelligence-study-human-genome-finds-unknown-human-ancestor-species-180971436/
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Unfortunately the "forbidden" fruit is the sweetest fruit and all the
more so for being forbidden.
And now the tree of life, eternal life, is the forbidden proof to
unrighteous men.
Or the bible is just a story concocted to encourage men to do things
that aren't in their self-interest. A means of controlling people
without having to present justifications for those controls. A god
requires it, you can't question a god, nor should you...
You will find nothing in the Holy Bible that supports that type of
thinking. Nice try though.
Religion is all about god and uses the bible as justification for god
then god's character, needs, and other entirely too human
characteristics but belonging to a god.

The OT god has all the charm of a sadistic, juvenile, serial killer.
Post by Robert
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Then we have a competitive streak too - tell me I can't do something
and I'll feel the need to prove you wrong.
Up to a point, you, me, and most anyone else. That stems from pride, a
root cause of sin/error.
Not necessarily. If men don't strive and challenge themselves life
becomes dull and hardly worth the effort. We need challenges and a
certain amount of stress. Everyone's different and everyone has their
own needs when it comes to risk. If you are too comfortable you're
likely to become fat and lazy.
If one is hungry enough they will work for a living. In the old days
they would farm and share with others by trading or the marketplace.
Priests found they didn't have to work at all by convincing people
they had special knowledge of gods.
Post by Robert
Yes, there are levels of being comfortable. From those on welfare and
all the way up to children of the wealthy living off their parents
skills.
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Pride, self-confidence, ambition, ego, etc., can all be "sins" or
virtues depending on context and degree.
Yes, that is true.
Post by default
Master a difficult passage on a musical instrument and you may be
proud of the accomplishment, that pride would not be "sinful."
Being proud or being prideful are basically two different things.
Post by default
Arrogant pride simply because you think you are better than others
would be "sinful."
Far too many people have blurred the meanings of those words.
Post by default
Greed and ambition are very similar, context and degree determine
morality.
Greed is always greed. It is overbearing, self willed, and yes it
motivates to an excess. It is usually harmful to others at some point
and time. One can be ambitious without greed, or pride. One can also
be ambitious with greed and pride, but then many mature people are
already aware of that.
Robert
2019-09-09 01:20:00 UTC
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Peoples made their own laws before afflicted with religion.
The sense of right or wrong, the knowledge of it came with the eating
of the forbidden fruit. Yes, way before religion.
People have an innate sense of right and wrong irrespective of what
the priests tell them of a gods likes and dislikes.
Yes, and that capability has been evident since day one after Adam and
Eve were kicked out of the Garden.
Adam and Eve is a good story, but it isn't a literal historical fact.
The evidence supports evolution not divine shenanigans.
LOL, No educated person supports the theory of evolution any more,
only those with an agenda hang on to it in a thread of desperation.
Well, actually, educated people are the ones who do support the theory
of evolution. The theory is supported by evidence.
Post by Robert
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The human genome suggests we interbred with Neanderthals and
Denisovans and other hominids that have gone extinct, it doesn't
support Adam and Eve.
Only problem there is that there is no scientific evidence to support
that thought, and one has to exercise great human faith in order to
believe such tomfoolery. You'd be far better served in trying to trace
your heritage via Ape's and Monkey's.
Actually there's quite a lot of scientific evidence. And evidence
that says there's two other unknown species that interbred with modern
humans. (or early modern humans)
https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg23030700-700-the-4-genetic-traits-that-helped-humans-conquer-the-world/?utm_medium=PAC&utm_source=NSNS&intcmp=PACNSNS2018-inlinelink_addiction-ghostsindna
"1. High-altitude survival
Perhaps the most dramatic evidence of modern benefits from ancient DNA
is seen in Tibetans. Emilia Huerta-Sánchez at the University of
California in Merced and her colleagues found that about 80 per cent
of . Most bits of Denisovan DNA are not present in more than 0.2 per
cent of East Asians, so geneticists suspected the ancient DNA must
have given its Tibetan owners significant advantages."

Did the compare that with the indians in South America who live and
thrive in High Altitudes as well?

Then look closely at their un-scientific conjectures Like "so
geneticists suspected the ancient DNA" and "Tibetans carry a
particular piece of Denisovan DNA" Just how did they jump to that
conclusion?

What do you do with all the Ape DNA that a lot of humans have? Can we
safely conclude that all gymnasts are their direct descendents as
well?
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https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/artificial-intelligence-study-human-genome-finds-unknown-human-ancestor-species-180971436/
"The genetic footprint of a “ghost population” may match that of a
Neanderthal and Denisovan hybrid fossil found in Siberia"

"The new data suggest that the mysterious hominin was likely descended
from an admixture of Neanderthals and Denisovans"

Yet you bought right into it. :)
Some religions like the Greek orthodox play that game too. But the say
that "the tradition says, points to, or is likely..."
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Unfortunately the "forbidden" fruit is the sweetest fruit and all the
more so for being forbidden.
And now the tree of life, eternal life, is the forbidden proof to
unrighteous men.
Or the bible is just a story concocted to encourage men to do things
that aren't in their self-interest. A means of controlling people
without having to present justifications for those controls. A god
requires it, you can't question a god, nor should you...
You will find nothing in the Holy Bible that supports that type of
thinking. Nice try though.
Religion is all about god and uses the bible as justification for god
then god's character, needs, and other entirely too human
characteristics but belonging to a god.
There are many gods, various religions with various gods as well. You
must out of necessity include them all in your discussion for a sense
of fairness and objectiveness. Supposedly there are far more Muslims
than Christians, their god is not the same, nor is their teachings.

But as to your comment Religion is about control, not god. The Holy
bible is concerned about you, the individual, and your salvation
resulting in eternal life, not how many crackers you ate.
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The OT god has all the charm of a sadistic, juvenile, serial killer.
That statement only serves to show us that you are no more educated in
the scriptures than most other men.
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Then we have a competitive streak too - tell me I can't do something
and I'll feel the need to prove you wrong.
Up to a point, you, me, and most anyone else. That stems from pride, a
root cause of sin/error.
Not necessarily. If men don't strive and challenge themselves life
becomes dull and hardly worth the effort. We need challenges and a
certain amount of stress. Everyone's different and everyone has their
own needs when it comes to risk. If you are too comfortable you're
likely to become fat and lazy.
If one is hungry enough they will work for a living. In the old days
they would farm and share with others by trading or the marketplace.
Priests found they didn't have to work at all by convincing people
they had special knowledge of gods.
Yes, many do just that, even some protestant pastors.

<snip>
--
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
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Peoples made their own laws before afflicted with religion.
The sense of right or wrong, the knowledge of it came with the eating
of the forbidden fruit. Yes, way before religion.
People have an innate sense of right and wrong irrespective of what
the priests tell them of a gods likes and dislikes.
Yes, and that capability has been evident since day one after Adam and
Eve were kicked out of the Garden.
Adam and Eve is a good story, but it isn't a literal historical fact.
The evidence supports evolution not divine shenanigans.
LOL, No educated person supports the theory of evolution any more,
only those with an agenda hang on to it in a thread of desperation.
Well, actually, educated people are the ones who do support the theory
of evolution. The theory is supported by evidence.
Post by Robert
Post by default
The human genome suggests we interbred with Neanderthals and
Denisovans and other hominids that have gone extinct, it doesn't
support Adam and Eve.
Only problem there is that there is no scientific evidence to support
that thought, and one has to exercise great human faith in order to
believe such tomfoolery. You'd be far better served in trying to trace
your heritage via Ape's and Monkey's.
Actually there's quite a lot of scientific evidence. And evidence
that says there's two other unknown species that interbred with modern
humans. (or early modern humans)
https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg23030700-700-the-4-genetic-traits-that-helped-humans-conquer-the-world/?utm_medium=PAC&utm_source=NSNS&intcmp=PACNSNS2018-inlinelink_addiction-ghostsindna
"1. High-altitude survival
Perhaps the most dramatic evidence of modern benefits from ancient DNA
is seen in Tibetans. Emilia Huerta-Sánchez at the University of
California in Merced and her colleagues found that about 80 per cent
of . Most bits of Denisovan DNA are not present in more than 0.2 per
cent of East Asians, so geneticists suspected the ancient DNA must
have given its Tibetan owners significant advantages."
Did the compare that with the indians in South America who live and
thrive in High Altitudes as well?
Then look closely at their un-scientific conjectures Like "so
geneticists suspected the ancient DNA" and "Tibetans carry a
particular piece of Denisovan DNA" Just how did they jump to that
conclusion?
What do you do with all the Ape DNA that a lot of humans have? Can we
safely conclude that all gymnasts are their direct descendents as
well?
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https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/artificial-intelligence-study-human-genome-finds-unknown-human-ancestor-species-180971436/
"The genetic footprint of a “ghost population” may match that of a
Neanderthal and Denisovan hybrid fossil found in Siberia"
"The new data suggest that the mysterious hominin was likely descended
from an admixture of Neanderthals and Denisovans"
Yet you bought right into it. :)
Some religions like the Greek orthodox play that game too. But the say
that "the tradition says, points to, or is likely..."
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Unfortunately the "forbidden" fruit is the sweetest fruit and all the
more so for being forbidden.
And now the tree of life, eternal life, is the forbidden proof to
unrighteous men.
Or the bible is just a story concocted to encourage men to do things
that aren't in their self-interest. A means of controlling people
without having to present justifications for those controls. A god
requires it, you can't question a god, nor should you...
You will find nothing in the Holy Bible that supports that type of
thinking. Nice try though.
Religion is all about god and uses the bible as justification for god
then god's character, needs, and other entirely too human
characteristics but belonging to a god.
There are many gods, various religions with various gods as well. You
must out of necessity include them all in your discussion for a sense
of fairness and objectiveness. Supposedly there are far more Muslims
than Christians, their god is not the same, nor is their teachings.
How can you say that? The Christian god is not the Jewish or Muslim
god if you compare the OT/Koran versus NT. Whole different set of
ethics focus and attitude.

But both the Muslims and Jews lay claim to "The God of Abraham." Same
god... different ideas.
Post by Robert
But as to your comment Religion is about control, not god. The Holy
bible is concerned about you, the individual, and your salvation
resulting in eternal life, not how many crackers you ate.
The Unholy bible (do you need a reference to some of the evil verses
in the bible?) was written by and for a religious institution or
organization. You've read the bible? Cover to cover? and it is about
salvation and eternal life? You must have a different bible than I
had.
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The OT god has all the charm of a sadistic, juvenile, serial killer.
That statement only serves to show us that you are no more educated in
the scriptures than most other men.
If you mean did I learn the bible from a bible apologist, who's aim is
to try to justify something like: "Happy the one who takes and dashes
Your little ones against the rock!" The answer is no - I read it in
the bible.

If you mean did I learn the bible from a preacher who cherry-picked
the passages that are not controversial and seem to make sense, the
answer is no again, I read the bible.

I can't understand how anyone can read the bible and be a Jew, Muslim,
Christian or any of their splinter groups. Or quote the passages they
like and ignore the ones they don't and claim the bible is the work of
a just, compassionate, loving, god.

People want answers. I get that. But what I don't get is latching on
to some ideology because it makes you feel secure. What I don't get
is that most people are quick to latch on to the technology that
science provides then when the science conflicts with what they want
to believe they have a problem with "science." But most of all, what
I don't get is how people can justify a belief in god because they
don't understand nature. Life is so complicated a god must have done
it...

I've repaired and designed incredibly complex machines. Except they
are only complex and hard to understand if you look at the whole
contraption. Once you start breaking them down to individual parts
and sub-systems and learn how it is supposed to work, the mystery is
gone and it's not the behemoth that defies understanding. A scanning
electronic microscope looks impressive and complicated but is no more
difficult to understand than an analog TV set (uses the same
technology in fact). Child's play, once you know how it works.

How many primitive cultures, on encountering an advanced technology,
attribute it to gods? Human kind is like those cultures, religious
people choose to lay the blame or praise on a god, but avoid looking
any further, they have their answer.

Very few scientists and engineers cling to a belief in god. Look how
far medicine has come once doctors started trying to understand what
was going on instead of using cures like blood-letting that have no
basis in fact. Scurvy, ditto, a simple matter of diet. All the
mysteries once attributed to divine causes respond well to
understanding and don't respond to superstition.

<pruned>
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2019-09-09 16:01:28 UTC
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Religion is all about god and uses the bible as justification for god
then god's character, needs, and other entirely too human
characteristics but belonging to a god.
There are many gods, various religions with various gods as well. You
must out of necessity include them all in your discussion for a sense
of fairness and objectiveness. Supposedly there are far more Muslims
than Christians, their god is not the same, nor is their teachings.
How can you say that? The Christian god is not the Jewish or Muslim
god if you compare the OT/Koran versus NT. Whole different set of
ethics focus and attitude.
The "Christian" God is the same as the Jewish God from the OT times.
Different from all other gods, and He is the God of gods.
Post by default
But both the Muslims and Jews lay claim to "The God of Abraham." Same
god... different ideas.
Here you would be correct in saying they are different gods.

There are different Covenants for the Israelite there was the Mosaic
Covenant, and for the Christian Believer there is the Blood Covenant.

There are many differing Covenants in the OT with the Mosaic being the
largest, and was a covenant voted on by the people of Israel. The New
Covenant is a one way covenant, a covenant made by God, to be upheld
by God regardless of what man accepts of denies. A promise he made to
men that he will uphold and is a total gift promise to men who are
willing to accept it. It cannot be earned, which is contrary to the
teachings of many religions like the RCC and the Orthodox Churches but
they are not alone in their errors.
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Post by Robert
But as to your comment Religion is about control, not god. The Holy
bible is concerned about you, the individual, and your salvation
resulting in eternal life, not how many crackers you ate.
The Unholy bible (do you need a reference to some of the evil verses
in the bible?) was written by and for a religious institution or
organization. You've read the bible? Cover to cover? and it is about
salvation and eternal life? You must have a different bible than I
had.
Yes, I have read the bible cover to cover many times. As to us having
a different Bible, perhaps, my mainstay Bible is the KJV without the
extra books. And there are no evil verses in it. Feel free to point
them out if you believe you have some, and I will look at them in the
context of which they were written.
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The OT god has all the charm of a sadistic, juvenile, serial killer.
That statement only serves to show us that you are no more educated in
the scriptures than most other men.
If you mean did I learn the bible from a bible apologist, who's aim is
to try to justify something like: "Happy the one who takes and dashes
Your little ones against the rock!" The answer is no - I read it in
the bible.
But did you read it with spiritual discernment? Those who worship God
must worship him in spirit and in reality. Anyone who does not have
the spirit of God in him 24/7 is not of God nor can the understand
much of God.

What was evil there? It was not done in the "Christian spirit" to be
sure, but these people are under law; they are not under grace. They
are under law that provided justice.

Psa 137:7  Remember, Jehovah, for the sons of Edom, The day of
Jerusalem, Those saying, 'Rase, rase to its foundation!' 
Psa 137:8  O daughter of Babylon, O destroyed one, O the happiness of
him who repayeth to thee thy deed, That thou hast done to us. 
Psa 137:9  O the happiness of him who doth seize, And hath dashed thy
sucklings on the rock! 

Just prior to this they had captured Israel in a violent manner and
then mocked them and their God.
Post by default
If you mean did I learn the bible from a preacher who cherry-picked
the passages that are not controversial and seem to make sense, the
answer is no again, I read the bible.
One should always consider the source, in full. Some consider God
cruel for placing people into the lake of fire and brimstone, to be
tortured forever. But did not Jesus die for everyone so that they
could escape all that without expense to their souls?
Post by default
I can't understand how anyone can read the bible and be a Jew, Muslim,
Christian or any of their splinter groups. Or quote the passages they
like and ignore the ones they don't and claim the bible is the work of
a just, compassionate, loving, god.
But you are also guilty of ignoring the fact that he is a Just God are
you not?

God does not destroy or pass judgment without fair warning, often
three time he would try to show people there errors and what was to
come if they did not change. So then on whose shoulders lies the
blame?
Post by default
People want answers. I get that. But what I don't get is latching on
to some ideology because it makes you feel secure. What I don't get
is that most people are quick to latch on to the technology that
science provides then when the science conflicts with what they want
to believe they have a problem with "science." But most of all, what
I don't get is how people can justify a belief in god because they
don't understand nature. Life is so complicated a god must have done
it...
Well you have a very good point there, and what you have pointed out
is evident throughout the history of men, they instinctively search
for a god and some are glad to take advantage of that. Kings,
Emperors, religious "High Priests" of every sort. Which is what
scripture sorts out for man, the real truth against a deceiving
"truth"/philosophy/theology, etc.

Yet in simple nature, the nature of God is shown.
Post by default
I've repaired and designed incredibly complex machines. Except they
are only complex and hard to understand if you look at the whole
contraption. Once you start breaking them down to individual parts
and sub-systems and learn how it is supposed to work, the mystery is
gone and it's not the behemoth that defies understanding. A scanning
electronic microscope looks impressive and complicated but is no more
difficult to understand than an analog TV set (uses the same
technology in fact). Child's play, once you know how it works.
How many primitive cultures, on encountering an advanced technology,
attribute it to gods? Human kind is like those cultures, religious
people choose to lay the blame or praise on a god, but avoid looking
any further, they have their answer.
Very few scientists and engineers cling to a belief in god. Look how
far medicine has come once doctors started trying to understand what
was going on instead of using cures like blood-letting that have no
basis in fact. Scurvy, ditto, a simple matter of diet. All the
mysteries once attributed to divine causes respond well to
understanding and don't respond to superstition.
<pruned>
Well like scientists, doctors often do no believe in God, although
like a scientist once they are immersed in their fields they see
things that show them that they are not God, and that there must be a
God or at the least some super force that enables things to happen.

But at the bottom of all of this is the fact that I know God, speak to
him and He to me. The more I focus on him the more I see and hear. I
know the reality of God in my life as well as those around me.

I also learn more of myself and how undeserving I am, and I am
beginning to see that I am living well below my means in the Christian
Walk. God has provided a place for me Here- but I am living here_, Not
just me, but many others as well, and it is for lack of knowing who
and what all I am, in Christ Jesus.

Did you know that God does and will confirm the teaching of His Word?
--
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
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2019-09-09 19:48:22 UTC
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Religion is all about god and uses the bible as justification for god
then god's character, needs, and other entirely too human
characteristics but belonging to a god.
There are many gods, various religions with various gods as well. You
must out of necessity include them all in your discussion for a sense
of fairness and objectiveness. Supposedly there are far more Muslims
than Christians, their god is not the same, nor is their teachings.
How can you say that? The Christian god is not the Jewish or Muslim
god if you compare the OT/Koran versus NT. Whole different set of
ethics focus and attitude.
The "Christian" God is the same as the Jewish God from the OT times.
Different from all other gods, and He is the God of gods.
That's just not possible. Jesus preached love tolerance compassion
and understanding, "god the father" was a homicidal maniac who
engendered fear, intimidation, horror and terror.

You can repeat your religious programming until you are blue in the
face, but facts are facts.
Post by Robert
Post by default
But both the Muslims and Jews lay claim to "The God of Abraham." Same
god... different ideas.
Here you would be correct in saying they are different gods.
The god of abraham, not the gods of abraham. The Jews had a
monotheistic religion, the Christians have a polytheist religion with
two disparate gods (and spook makes three).

First god (1.0) is mean-spirited, mercurial and capricious in nature,
god 1.1 is more stable and genteel in nature.

Unless gods have brain tumors and sudden personality changes.

But, of course you are inured to logic and reason, because it is
important to cling to promises of a happy after-life than look reality
in the face and laugh at fate.
Post by Robert
There are different Covenants for the Israelite there was the Mosaic
Covenant, and for the Christian Believer there is the Blood Covenant.
There are many differing Covenants in the OT with the Mosaic being the
largest, and was a covenant voted on by the people of Israel. The New
Covenant is a one way covenant, a covenant made by God, to be upheld
by God regardless of what man accepts of denies. A promise he made to
men that he will uphold and is a total gift promise to men who are
willing to accept it. It cannot be earned, which is contrary to the
teachings of many religions like the RCC and the Orthodox Churches but
they are not alone in their errors.
And that makes sense to you? Does it?
Post by Robert
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Post by Robert
But as to your comment Religion is about control, not god. The Holy
bible is concerned about you, the individual, and your salvation
resulting in eternal life, not how many crackers you ate.
The Unholy bible (do you need a reference to some of the evil verses
in the bible?) was written by and for a religious institution or
organization. You've read the bible? Cover to cover? and it is about
salvation and eternal life? You must have a different bible than I
had.
Yes, I have read the bible cover to cover many times. As to us having
a different Bible, perhaps, my mainstay Bible is the KJV without the
extra books. And there are no evil verses in it. Feel free to point
them out if you believe you have some, and I will look at them in the
context of which they were written.
https://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/long.html

How about some of the contradictions too? Mama and her darling son,
conspire to steal her eldest's birthright. They snooker him by lying
to him and playing him, then god rewards the miscreants for their
sinful behavior.

I'm paraphrasing of course.
Post by Robert
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Post by Robert
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The OT god has all the charm of a sadistic, juvenile, serial killer.
That statement only serves to show us that you are no more educated in
the scriptures than most other men.
If you mean did I learn the bible from a bible apologist, who's aim is
to try to justify something like: "Happy the one who takes and dashes
Your little ones against the rock!" The answer is no - I read it in
the bible.
But did you read it with spiritual discernment? Those who worship God
must worship him in spirit and in reality. Anyone who does not have
the spirit of God in him 24/7 is not of God nor can the understand
much of God.
You can't understand god if you don't understand god - we live on
different sides of a logical divide...

By "spiritual discernment" you mean did I fast for days, eat magic
mushrooms, spin around until dizzy, etc., or any of the many
time-honored ways the ancients got close with god?
Post by Robert
What was evil there? It was not done in the "Christian spirit" to be
sure, but these people are under law; they are not under grace. They
are under law that provided justice.
Yup, sounds remarkably like the defenders of the faith who tell us
that times were different then, when they are attempting to justify
priests abusing children.

Or slavery in the case of both old and new testament.
Post by Robert
Psa 137:7  Remember, Jehovah, for the sons of Edom, The day of
Jerusalem, Those saying, 'Rase, rase to its foundation!' 
Psa 137:8  O daughter of Babylon, O destroyed one, O the happiness of
him who repayeth to thee thy deed, That thou hast done to us. 
Psa 137:9  O the happiness of him who doth seize, And hath dashed thy
sucklings on the rock! 
Just prior to this they had captured Israel in a violent manner and
then mocked them and their God.
And god in his magnificent mercy and justice thought it would be a
fine idea to kill a lot of innocent children? What context can
justify that kind of response? Mocked them? You mean "sticks and
stones, yada-yada," justifies infanticide?

That's disgusting, religion is disgusting.
Post by Robert
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If you mean did I learn the bible from a preacher who cherry-picked
the passages that are not controversial and seem to make sense, the
answer is no again, I read the bible.
One should always consider the source, in full. Some consider God
cruel for placing people into the lake of fire and brimstone, to be
tortured forever. But did not Jesus die for everyone so that they
could escape all that without expense to their souls?
Fire and brimstone?

Maybe, but then who knows, because the politicians were already
deciding what they wanted people to believe centuries after the fact
and systematically destroying all the writings that didn't agree with
their version of Christianity.

Jews don't believe in a hell, and I would have thought if it were that
big a deal god 1.0 would not have had to smite people to punish them,
he could just wait until they died then condemned them.

Just one of many inconsistencies IMO, or mysteries to the religiously
afflicted.
Post by Robert
Post by default
I can't understand how anyone can read the bible and be a Jew, Muslim,
Christian or any of their splinter groups. Or quote the passages they
like and ignore the ones they don't and claim the bible is the work of
a just, compassionate, loving, god.
But you are also guilty of ignoring the fact that he is a Just God are
you not?
His behavior does not earn him the moniker of just, or merciful, etc..

The great dichotomy - you are supposed to love your god and fear your
god AT THE SAME TIME!
Post by Robert
God does not destroy or pass judgment without fair warning, often
three time he would try to show people there errors and what was to
come if they did not change. So then on whose shoulders lies the
blame?
Post by default
People want answers. I get that. But what I don't get is latching on
to some ideology because it makes you feel secure. What I don't get
is that most people are quick to latch on to the technology that
science provides then when the science conflicts with what they want
to believe they have a problem with "science." But most of all, what
I don't get is how people can justify a belief in god because they
don't understand nature. Life is so complicated a god must have done
it...
Well you have a very good point there, and what you have pointed out
is evident throughout the history of men, they instinctively search
for a god and some are glad to take advantage of that. Kings,
Emperors, religious "High Priests" of every sort. Which is what
scripture sorts out for man, the real truth against a deceiving
"truth"/philosophy/theology, etc.
Yet in simple nature, the nature of God is shown.
No, I think gods were just a reason crops failed or storms came, then
some clever lazy bastards decided they could leech off their tribe
members by pretending to have the inside track to god. (or at how to
keep god happy and out of your hair)

Religion evolves and it's been doing so for a very long time.
Post by Robert
Post by default
I've repaired and designed incredibly complex machines. Except they
are only complex and hard to understand if you look at the whole
contraption. Once you start breaking them down to individual parts
and sub-systems and learn how it is supposed to work, the mystery is
gone and it's not the behemoth that defies understanding. A scanning
electronic microscope looks impressive and complicated but is no more
difficult to understand than an analog TV set (uses the same
technology in fact). Child's play, once you know how it works.
How many primitive cultures, on encountering an advanced technology,
attribute it to gods? Human kind is like those cultures, religious
people choose to lay the blame or praise on a god, but avoid looking
any further, they have their answer.
Very few scientists and engineers cling to a belief in god. Look how
far medicine has come once doctors started trying to understand what
was going on instead of using cures like blood-letting that have no
basis in fact. Scurvy, ditto, a simple matter of diet. All the
mysteries once attributed to divine causes respond well to
understanding and don't respond to superstition.
<pruned>
Well like scientists, doctors often do no believe in God, although
like a scientist once they are immersed in their fields they see
things that show them that they are not God, and that there must be a
God or at the least some super force that enables things to happen.
But at the bottom of all of this is the fact that I know God, speak to
him and He to me. The more I focus on him the more I see and hear. I
know the reality of God in my life as well as those around me.
I also learn more of myself and how undeserving I am, and I am
beginning to see that I am living well below my means in the Christian
Walk. God has provided a place for me Here- but I am living here_, Not
just me, but many others as well, and it is for lack of knowing who
and what all I am, in Christ Jesus.
Did you know that God does and will confirm the teaching of His Word?
I have no problem with god. (religious followers, convoluted
reasoning, ideological justifications etc., just confuse things and
allow evil to flourish)
Ted
2019-09-09 19:56:26 UTC
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On Sat, 7 Sep 2019 23:36:20 -0600, Gronk
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Religion is all about god and uses the bible as justification for god
then god's character, needs, and other entirely too human
characteristics but belonging to a god.
There are many gods, various religions with various gods as
well. You
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must out of necessity include them all in your discussion for a sense
of fairness and objectiveness. Supposedly there are far more Muslims
than Christians, their god is not the same, nor is their
teachings.
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How can you say that? The Christian god is not the Jewish or Muslim
god if you compare the OT/Koran versus NT. Whole different set of
ethics focus and attitude.
The "Christian" God is the same as the Jewish God from the OT
times.
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Post by Robert
Different from all other gods, and He is the God of gods.
That's just not possible. Jesus preached love tolerance compassion
and understanding, "god the father" was a homicidal maniac who
engendered fear, intimidation, horror and terror.
You can repeat your religious programming until you are blue in the
face, but facts are facts.
Post by Robert
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But both the Muslims and Jews lay claim to "The God of Abraham."
Same
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god... different ideas.
Here you would be correct in saying they are different gods.
The god of abraham, not the gods of abraham. The Jews had a
monotheistic religion, the Christians have a polytheist religion with
two disparate gods (and spook makes three).
First god (1.0) is mean-spirited, mercurial and capricious in
nature,
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god 1.1 is more stable and genteel in nature.
Unless gods have brain tumors and sudden personality changes.
But, of course you are inured to logic and reason, because it is
important to cling to promises of a happy after-life than look
reality
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in the face and laugh at fate.
Post by Robert
There are different Covenants for the Israelite there was the
Mosaic
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Covenant, and for the Christian Believer there is the Blood
Covenant.
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Post by Robert
There are many differing Covenants in the OT with the Mosaic being the
largest, and was a covenant voted on by the people of Israel. The New
Covenant is a one way covenant, a covenant made by God, to be
upheld
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Post by Robert
by God regardless of what man accepts of denies. A promise he made to
men that he will uphold and is a total gift promise to men who are
willing to accept it. It cannot be earned, which is contrary to the
teachings of many religions like the RCC and the Orthodox Churches but
they are not alone in their errors.
And that makes sense to you? Does it?
Post by Robert
Post by default
But as to your comment Religion is about control, not god. The Holy
bible is concerned about you, the individual, and your salvation
resulting in eternal life, not how many crackers you ate.
The Unholy bible (do you need a reference to some of the evil verses
in the bible?) was written by and for a religious institution or
organization. You've read the bible? Cover to cover? and it is about
salvation and eternal life? You must have a different bible than I
had.
Yes, I have read the bible cover to cover many times. As to us having
a different Bible, perhaps, my mainstay Bible is the KJV without the
extra books. And there are no evil verses in it. Feel free to point
them out if you believe you have some, and I will look at them in the
context of which they were written.
https://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/long.html
How about some of the contradictions too? Mama and her darling son,
conspire to steal her eldest's birthright. They snooker him by lying
to him and playing him, then god rewards the miscreants for their
sinful behavior.
I'm paraphrasing of course.
Post by Robert
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The OT god has all the charm of a sadistic, juvenile, serial killer.
That statement only serves to show us that you are no more
educated in
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the scriptures than most other men.
If you mean did I learn the bible from a bible apologist, who's aim is
to try to justify something like: "Happy the one who takes and dashes
Your little ones against the rock!" The answer is no - I read it in
the bible.
But did you read it with spiritual discernment? Those who worship God
must worship him in spirit and in reality. Anyone who does not have
the spirit of God in him 24/7 is not of God nor can the understand
much of God.
You can't understand god if you don't understand god - we live on
different sides of a logical divide...
By "spiritual discernment" you mean did I fast for days, eat magic
mushrooms, spin around until dizzy, etc., or any of the many
time-honored ways the ancients got close with god?
Post by Robert
What was evil there? It was not done in the "Christian spirit" to be
sure, but these people are under law; they are not under grace. They
are under law that provided justice.
Yup, sounds remarkably like the defenders of the faith who tell us
that times were different then, when they are attempting to justify
priests abusing children.
Or slavery in the case of both old and new testament.
Post by Robert
Psa 137:7  Remember, Jehovah, for the sons of Edom, The day of
Jerusalem, Those saying, 'Rase, rase to its foundation!' 
Psa 137:8  O daughter of Babylon, O destroyed one, O the happiness of
him who repayeth to thee thy deed, That thou hast done to us. 
Psa 137:9  O the happiness of him who doth seize, And hath dashed thy
sucklings on the rock! 
Just prior to this they had captured Israel in a violent manner and
then mocked them and their God.
And god in his magnificent mercy and justice thought it would be a
fine idea to kill a lot of innocent children? What context can
justify that kind of response? Mocked them? You mean "sticks and
stones, yada-yada," justifies infanticide?
That's disgusting, religion is disgusting.
Post by Robert
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If you mean did I learn the bible from a preacher who
cherry-picked
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Post by Robert
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the passages that are not controversial and seem to make sense, the
answer is no again, I read the bible.
One should always consider the source, in full. Some consider God
cruel for placing people into the lake of fire and brimstone, to be
tortured forever. But did not Jesus die for everyone so that they
could escape all that without expense to their souls?
Fire and brimstone?
Maybe, but then who knows, because the politicians were already
deciding what they wanted people to believe centuries after the fact
and systematically destroying all the writings that didn't agree with
their version of Christianity.
Jews don't believe in a hell, and I would have thought if it were that
big a deal god 1.0 would not have had to smite people to punish them,
he could just wait until they died then condemned them.
Just one of many inconsistencies IMO, or mysteries to the
religiously
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afflicted.
Post by Robert
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I can't understand how anyone can read the bible and be a Jew, Muslim,
Christian or any of their splinter groups. Or quote the passages they
like and ignore the ones they don't and claim the bible is the work of
a just, compassionate, loving, god.
But you are also guilty of ignoring the fact that he is a Just God are
you not?
His behavior does not earn him the moniker of just, or merciful, etc..
The great dichotomy - you are supposed to love your god and fear your
god AT THE SAME TIME!
Post by Robert
God does not destroy or pass judgment without fair warning, often
three time he would try to show people there errors and what was to
come if they did not change. So then on whose shoulders lies the
blame?
Post by default
People want answers. I get that. But what I don't get is
latching on
Post by default
Post by Robert
Post by default
to some ideology because it makes you feel secure. What I don't get
is that most people are quick to latch on to the technology that
science provides then when the science conflicts with what they want
to believe they have a problem with "science." But most of all, what
I don't get is how people can justify a belief in god because they
don't understand nature. Life is so complicated a god must have done
it...
Well you have a very good point there, and what you have pointed out
is evident throughout the history of men, they instinctively search
for a god and some are glad to take advantage of that. Kings,
Emperors, religious "High Priests" of every sort. Which is what
scripture sorts out for man, the real truth against a deceiving
"truth"/philosophy/theology, etc.
Yet in simple nature, the nature of God is shown.
No, I think gods were just a reason crops failed or storms came, then
some clever lazy bastards decided they could leech off their tribe
members by pretending to have the inside track to god. (or at how to
keep god happy and out of your hair)
Religion evolves and it's been doing so for a very long time.
Thank you, Default. I've never seen it described so accurately and
succinctly.
d***@cox.net
2019-09-09 21:58:16 UTC
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The god of abraham, not the gods of abraham. The Jews had a
monotheistic religion, the Christians have a polytheist religion with
two disparate gods (and spook makes three).
Well, you truly blew it there. One God is three equal PERSONS.
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Post by Robert
There are many differing Covenants in the OT with the Mosaic being the
largest, and was a covenant voted on by the people of Israel.
Now ask robert how they voted.
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Covenant is a one way covenant, a covenant made by God, to be upheld
by God regardless of what man accepts of denies.
What a stupid robert comment.

covenant
NOUN
an agreement.

Now he's pushing a one-way agreement.
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And that makes sense to you? Does it?
He listens to pope dwayne.


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The god of abraham, not the gods of abraham. The Jews had a
monotheistic religion, the Christians have a polytheist religion with
two disparate gods (and spook makes three).
Well, you truly blew it there. One God is three equal PERSONS.
It's a pagan doctrine, Duke.
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Religion is all about god and uses the bible as justification for god
then god's character, needs, and other entirely too human
characteristics but belonging to a god.
There are many gods, various religions with various gods as well. You
must out of necessity include them all in your discussion for a sense
of fairness and objectiveness. Supposedly there are far more Muslims
than Christians, their god is not the same, nor is their teachings.
How can you say that? The Christian god is not the Jewish or Muslim
god if you compare the OT/Koran versus NT. Whole different set of
ethics focus and attitude.
The "Christian" God is the same as the Jewish God from the OT times.
Different from all other gods, and He is the God of gods.
That's just not possible. Jesus preached love tolerance compassion
and understanding, "god the father" was a homicidal maniac who
engendered fear, intimidation, horror and terror.
You can repeat your religious programming until you are blue in the
face, but facts are facts.
Lev 19:9  And when ye reap the harvest of your land, thou shalt not
wholly reap the corners of thy field, neither shalt thou gather the
gleanings of thy harvest. 
Lev 19:10  And thou shalt not glean thy vineyard, neither shalt thou
gather every grape of thy vineyard; thou shalt leave them for the poor
and stranger: I am the LORD your God. 

Lev 19:18  Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the
children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself:
I am the LORD.

Lev 19:34  But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you
as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were
strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

Need I go on to countless other such scripture?


Evil will flourish as long as the Devil has his freedom, and men want
to follow the desires of their flesh over the knowledge of Life.

I just snipped a lot of what I had already written in reply to other
things that you proposed.

I also realize that no matter what I might say or show you from
scripture you will find some other object or "truth" to use to justify
your rational. And unfortunately that is not even your personal
rational but the words of others, their thoughts, prejudices and
papers. Which is tantamount to them being your priest or what have
you. So you still end up with the thoughts of men.

I don't know you name so I cannot say it, but ********, I will tell
you that in spite of your mocking certain things, that the truth in my
Life is Jesus Christ, and yes, I am guided also in my day to day life
by the spirit of God. I have more than enough RL experiences with him
that I know with a certainty and beyond any shadow of doubt that I am
one of his, in the brotherhood of Christ.

I have no hollow spot in my life, I have peace, and I also found that
I have the divine nature of God within my spirit.

Somewhere in your life's travels you have come to the knowledge of
God, as he has manifested himself to you. Perhaps one day you will
return to that spot, and say enough is enough. I don't know, but I
pray that the power of God will be revealed to you
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But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
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Religion is all about god and uses the bible as justification for god
then god's character, needs, and other entirely too human
characteristics but belonging to a god.
There are many gods, various religions with various gods as well. You
must out of necessity include them all in your discussion for a sense
of fairness and objectiveness. Supposedly there are far more Muslims
than Christians, their god is not the same, nor is their teachings.
How can you say that? The Christian god is not the Jewish or Muslim
god if you compare the OT/Koran versus NT. Whole different set of
ethics focus and attitude.
The "Christian" God is the same as the Jewish God from the OT times.
Different from all other gods, and He is the God of gods.
That's just not possible. Jesus preached love tolerance compassion
and understanding, "god the father" was a homicidal maniac who
engendered fear, intimidation, horror and terror.
You can repeat your religious programming until you are blue in the
face, but facts are facts.
Lev 19:9  And when ye reap the harvest of your land, thou shalt not
wholly reap the corners of thy field, neither shalt thou gather the
gleanings of thy harvest. 
Lev 19:10  And thou shalt not glean thy vineyard, neither shalt thou
gather every grape of thy vineyard; thou shalt leave them for the poor
and stranger: I am the LORD your God. 
Lev 19:18  Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the
I am the LORD.
Lev 19:34  But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you
as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were
strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.
Need I go on to countless other such scripture?
Repeating snippets from a book that has no credible provenance is
hardly a convincing argument. Who wrote the book and can you prove
it? My neighbor is a JW and he says Moses wrote the bible...
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Evil will flourish as long as the Devil has his freedom, and men want
to follow the desires of their flesh over the knowledge of Life.
Or in other words as long as men appreciate the things that make life
interesting and satisfying? Cerebral desires are OK but if it
involves squishy parts it isn't OK?
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I just snipped a lot of what I had already written in reply to other
things that you proposed.
No problem.
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I also realize that no matter what I might say or show you from
scripture you will find some other object or "truth" to use to justify
your rational. And unfortunately that is not even your personal
rational but the words of others, their thoughts, prejudices and
papers. Which is tantamount to them being your priest or what have
you. So you still end up with the thoughts of men.
Well in a way I suppose there's some truth there. I find that if I
can think of it, someone already has.

It was the priests, nuns, and my Catholic mother that led to the
conclusion that religion is bonkers. They were teaching me the holy
hokum they were indoctrinated with, but weren't "walking the walk." So
they were "teaching" me by their own poor example. They didn't
believe it themselves, they only believed that they wouldn't die if
they mumble a few words and act all righteous.
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I don't know you name so I cannot say it, but ********, I will tell
you that in spite of your mocking certain things, that the truth in my
Life is Jesus Christ, and yes, I am guided also in my day to day life
by the spirit of God. I have more than enough RL experiences with him
that I know with a certainty and beyond any shadow of doubt that I am
one of his, in the brotherhood of Christ.
I managed to have a fulfilling satisfying life without gods and all
the fear and mind-weakening holy hoopla that some folks seem to need.

From what I see of the religiously inculcated, they pretty much do
what they want but find ways to justify their behavior with scripture.
With an OT bible loaded with blood, gore, and the rhetoric that
justifies any perversion in the name of god they gleefully spread
hatred and intolerance, then say they are blessed.... and you better
join them or you are going to hell.
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I have no hollow spot in my life, I have peace, and I also found that
I have the divine nature of God within my spirit.
Self-hypnosis works. I use it myself: great way to get to sleep, stop
worrying about shit, etc.. But I make a conscious effort and know I'm
doing it.

I want an emotional "moving" spiritual experience I can kayak in a
woodland creek, listen to music, pet my wife or cat, etc.. A quiet
forest is far more spiritual than a cathedral.
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Somewhere in your life's travels you have come to the knowledge of
God, as he has manifested himself to you. Perhaps one day you will
return to that spot, and say enough is enough. I don't know, but I
pray that the power of God will be revealed to you
You mean it would make you feel better if I were like you. Does it
rankle that some folks can live without fear of retribution from an
invisible unproven deity? Why should it? People build churches,
meeting houses, temples, etc., so they can gather and reinforce their
ideological beliefs. If they see someone who doesn't espouse their
own brand of Kool Aid, it threatens their whole intolerant fanatical
framework.

I don't care if you want/need to believe in a god, just don't think
your god should determine what I believe or do. Christ was all about
tolerance, Christians are not.
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Peoples made their own laws before afflicted with religion.
The sense of right or wrong, the knowledge of it came with the eating
of the forbidden fruit. Yes, way before religion.
People have an innate sense of right and wrong irrespective of what
the priests tell them of a gods likes and dislikes.
Yes, and that capability has been evident since day one after Adam and
Eve were kicked out of the Garden.
Adam and Eve is a good story, but it isn't a literal historical fact.
The evidence supports evolution not divine shenanigans.
LOL, No educated person supports the theory of evolution any more,
only those with an agenda hang on to it in a thread of desperation.
The entire history of the universe and all in it is "evolution".

In the long geological history of the Earth, humans first appeared during the
Pleistocene Epoch, which dates back 1.6 million years to 10,000 years ago.

PUt another way, we evolved from other "human-type" life forms.

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Peoples made their own laws before afflicted with religion.
The sense of right or wrong, the knowledge of it came with the eating
of the forbidden fruit. Yes, way before religion.
People have an innate sense of right and wrong irrespective of what
the priests tell them of a gods likes and dislikes.
Yes, and that capability has been evident since day one after Adam and
Eve were kicked out of the Garden.
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Unfortunately the "forbidden" fruit is the sweetest fruit and all the
more so for being forbidden.
And now the tree of life, eternal life, is the forbidden proof to
unrighteous men.
What a bunch of silliness. The sin of A&E was defiance of God's commands. The
apple was just a prop.

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2019-09-09 14:14:23 UTC
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Peoples made their own laws before afflicted with religion.
The sense of right or wrong, the knowledge of it came with the eating
of the forbidden fruit. Yes, way before religion.
People have an innate sense of right and wrong irrespective of what
the priests tell them of a gods likes and dislikes.
Yes, and that capability has been evident since day one after Adam and
Eve were kicked out of the Garden.
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Unfortunately the "forbidden" fruit is the sweetest fruit and all the
more so for being forbidden.
And now the tree of life, eternal life, is the forbidden proof to
unrighteous men.
What a bunch of silliness. The sin of A&E was defiance of God's commands. The
apple was just a prop.
As someone with an apple tree in my backyard, I was disappointed to learn that
'apple tree' wasn't even used in the book of Genesis

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forbidden_fruits!

The word fruit appears in Hebrew as
&#1508;&#1462;&#1468;&#1451;&#1512;&#1460;&#1497; (p&#601;rî&#8201;). As to
which fruit may have been the forbidden fruit of the Garden of Eden,
possibilities include apple, grape, pomegranate, fig, carob, etrog or citron,
pear, and mushrooms. The pseudepigraphic Book of Enoch describes the tree of
knowledge: "It was like a species of the Tamarind tree, bearing fruit which
resembled grapes extremely fine; and its fragrance extended to a considerable
distance. I exclaimed, How beautiful is this tree, and how delightful is its
appearance!" (1 Enoch 31:4).

An alternative view is that the forbidden fruit is metaphorical, possibly the
fruit of the womb, i.e. sex and procreation from the tree of life. In his
Autobiography of a Yogi, Hindu spiritual teacher Paramhansa Yogananda cites an
interpretation by his master Swami Sri Yukteswar Giri that the Garden of Eden
refers to man's body, with the fruit in the center being that of the sexual
organs.
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Peoples made their own laws before afflicted with religion.
The sense of right or wrong, the knowledge of it came with the eating
of the forbidden fruit. Yes, way before religion.
People have an innate sense of right and wrong irrespective of what
the priests tell them of a gods likes and dislikes.
Yes, and that capability has been evident since day one after Adam and
Eve were kicked out of the Garden.
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Unfortunately the "forbidden" fruit is the sweetest fruit and all the
more so for being forbidden.
And now the tree of life, eternal life, is the forbidden proof to
unrighteous men.
What a bunch of silliness. The sin of A&E was defiance of God's commands. The
apple was just a prop.
As someone with an apple tree in my backyard, I was disappointed to learn that
'apple tree' wasn't even used in the book of Genesis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forbidden_fruits!
The word fruit appears in Hebrew as
&#1508;&#1462;&#1468;&#1451;&#1512;&#1460;&#1497; (p&#601;rî&#8201;). As to
which fruit may have been the forbidden fruit of the Garden of Eden,
possibilities include apple, grape, pomegranate, fig, carob, etrog or citron,
pear, and mushrooms. The pseudepigraphic Book of Enoch describes the tree of
knowledge: "It was like a species of the Tamarind tree, bearing fruit which
resembled grapes extremely fine; and its fragrance extended to a considerable
distance. I exclaimed, How beautiful is this tree, and how delightful is its
appearance!" (1 Enoch 31:4).
An alternative view is that the forbidden fruit is metaphorical, possibly the
fruit of the womb,
Technically, it had nothing to do with any fruit. I too first thought of the
fruit of the womb. But it's all about disobedience to God. God said "do
not......" and they said they'd decide.

Classical sin. Something robert doesn't get.


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Peoples made their own laws before afflicted with religion.
So you are in favor of murder at will. Now that's par for the course of a
muslim.
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The sense of right or wrong, the knowledge of it came with the eating
of the forbidden fruit. Yes, way before religion.
Au contraire. God said "do NOT....". Religion is making Jesus your Lord.
Oops, that's right. You're a muzzie.

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It is our own _selfish_ best interest to get along with others; that
is our evolutionary best strategy for survival. Recent AI research
backs up that 'best strategy'.
No. Nearly everyone experiences pain when watching other people in pain. It's
part of human biology: its a feature of our brain. And empathy is the basis of
morality.
Wrong (and still self-confused).

While it appears true that empathy is important, it comes after
"getting along with others" for our own best interest.

"getting along with others" is required for an individual to
be part of a society, empathy is not.

Not arbitrarily killing others is required; empathy is not.
Not arbitrarily stealing is required; empathy is not.
Not being an habitual liar is required; empathy is not.
Following our laws is required; empathy is not.
etc.
etc.
And no god is needed for each of us to understand and agree with this.

Morality is rooted in "getting along", not about empathy.

Refraining from killing your neighbors is more important than
having empathy, and we refrain so that society will allow us to
be a part of it; neither empathy nor a god is required.

jeeezz, I feel like I'm expaining to a two year old, to someone who
has never thought very deeply about morality.
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Also you can experience joy when watching joy. Go to a park and watch all the
happy shiny people around you; you will come home uplifted.
Yeah, so what; you state the irrelevant and obvious as if profound.
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Celebrating death of anyone makes you a little bit meaner. It slowly corrupts
you. Watch some documentaries and movies on the Nuremberg trials.
Yeah, so what; you state the irrelevant and obvious as if profound.
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Christian: a person afraid of a perpetually hiding [imaginary] god.
Extortion (Believe or Burn) is _THE_ foundation of Christianity.
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It is our own _selfish_ best interest to get along with others; that
is our evolutionary best strategy for survival. Recent AI research
backs up that 'best strategy'.
No. Nearly everyone experiences pain when watching other people in pain. It's
part of human biology: its a feature of our brain.
NO, it is not our brain. It's man's God-given soul.


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Most religions believe murder is wrong.
Most _everyone_ believes murder is wrong; we don't need a god to know that.
Even animal societies know that arbitrary killing is wrong; no god needed.
Totally wrong Dragon Breath, totally wrong. :)
First you did the typical religious thing and that was to confuse
murder and killing.
Animals kill all the time to eat.
What!! They aren't grass eaters?
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Secondly it was God that instilled certain morals within you.
We are not muslims like you. We are Christians that believe in the human soul.

Some
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people pay attention to them, others over ride them and do their own
thing.
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Most religions believe murder is wrong.
Most _everyone_ believes murder is wrong; we don't need a god to know that.
Even animal societies know that arbitrary killing is wrong; no god needed.
Totally wrong Dragon Breath, totally wrong. :)
First you did the typical religious thing and that was to confuse
murder and killing.
Animals kill all the time to eat.
Secondly it was God that instilled certain morals within you. Some
people pay attention to them, others over ride them and do their own
thing.
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(Heb 11:6 KJV)
it was God that instilled certain morals within you
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Most religions believe murder is wrong.
Most _everyone_ believes murder is wrong; we don't need a god to know that.
Oh, but you do. God created in you a conscience. And that conscience
gives you a general sense of right and wrong. Without that conscience,
life would be pure chaos. That is what happens when a person sears his
conscience. (makes it no good) For example, just look a the serial killers.

Sincerely, James
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Even animal societies know that arbitrary killing is wrong; no god needed.
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Most religions believe murder is wrong.
Most _everyone_ believes murder is wrong; we don't need a god to know that.
Oh, but you do. God created in you a conscience. And that conscience
gives you a general sense of right and wrong. Without that conscience,
life would be pure chaos. That is what happens when a person sears his
conscience. (makes it no good) For example, just look a the serial killers.
Sincerely, James
Congrats, you have a superior moral understanding as a JW that a muslim like
robert has.
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Even animal societies know that arbitrary killing is wrong; no god needed.
Tsk, robert speaks.

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Most religions believe murder is wrong.
Most _everyone_ believes murder is wrong; we don't need a god to know that.
Oh, but you do. God created in you a conscience.
James, that is bullshit pulled from your ass (where your [imaginary]
god remains perpetually in hiding) that you cannot back up.

We each believe murder is wrong because of _fact_ that society would
not allow us in if we arbitrarily killed others, same as any other
animal or even a bacteria society. No god required.

You are trying to steal credit to give to your imaginary god.
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Even animal societies know that arbitrary killing is wrong; no god needed.
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Christian: a person afraid of a perpetually hiding [imaginary] god.
Extortion (Believe or Burn) is _THE_ foundation of Christianity.
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Most religions believe murder is wrong.
Most _everyone_ believes murder is wrong; we don't need a god to know that.
Oh, but you do. God created in you a conscience.
James, that is bullshit pulled from your ass (where your [imaginary]
god remains perpetually in hiding) that you cannot back up.
James is right. God created us in his image, and love and empathy are part of
our gift form God.
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We each believe murder is wrong because of _fact_ that society would
not allow us in if we arbitrarily killed others, same as any other
animal or even a bacteria society. No god required.
Of course society would allow us becasue they would be made of the same stuff we
are.
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You are trying to steal credit to give to your imaginary god.
That's the only Way.

the dukester

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Most religions believe murder is wrong.
Most _everyone_ believes murder is wrong; we don't need a god to know that.
Even animal societies know that arbitrary killing is wrong; no god needed.
Bad comment. Animals do not know evil. They fight, they kill, no gain when one
wins and one loses..

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Most religions believe murder is wrong.
Most _everyone_ believes murder is wrong; we don't need a god to know that.
Even animal societies know that arbitrary killing is wrong; no god needed.
Bad comment. Animals do not know evil. They fight, they kill, no gain when one
wins and one loses..
Society contrains; no society could exist if it allowed
members to arbitrarily kill each other. No god required.
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There is no verifiable evidence of any god(s). None whatsoever.
Christian: a person afraid of a perpetually hiding [imaginary] god.
Extortion (Believe or Burn) is _THE_ foundation of Christianity.
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Most religions believe murder is wrong.
Most _everyone_ believes murder is wrong; we don't need a god to know that.
Yes, you do need God.

No animal other than man murders. Every other animal form will KILL without
remorse. Thus man is the only animal that needs God to guide him in the ways of
righteousness.
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Even animal societies know that arbitrary killing is wrong; no god needed.
They lack a soul, at least a human soul, and will kill without remorse..


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Most religions believe murder is wrong.
Most _everyone_ believes murder is wrong; we don't need a god to know that.
Yes, you do need God.
No animal other than man murders.
You need to first define murder; your statement is just more
bullshit you pull from your ass. But yes, Christians have murdered
a lot in name of their [imaginary] god (see Ref 1-14).
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Every other animal form will KILL without
remorse.
So will Christians; so what, imbecile.
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Thus man is the only animal that needs God to guide him in the ways of
righteousness.
Christians have an extremely poor record concerning morality.
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Even animal societies know that arbitrary killing is wrong; no god needed.
They lack a soul, at least a human soul, and will kill without remorse..
So do Christians, imbecile.


Refs:
1.Christian Bible is filled with direct god-commands and
justifications for mass murder.
2.Christian doctrine: if you don't believe, you _deserve_ death.
3.Christians have been in constant "convert or die" campaigns/wars.
4.Christine doctrine: homosexual people _deserve_ death.
5.Christine doctrine: adulterers _deserve_ death.
6.Christine doctrine: people who work on sabaeth _deserve_ death.
7.Christine doctrine: non-virgin brides _deserve_ death.
8.Christine doctrine: unruly children _deserve_ death.
9.Christian doctrine: god-commanded sanctioning of slavery.
10.Largest single war started by Christians, death toll: 44 million.
11.Christian Spanish conquest of Americas: 33 million dead.
12.wikipedia /wiki/List_of_wars_by_death_toll
13.Jewish doctrine: Jews own the land their god gave to them forever.
14.Number of people killed because of atheist doctrine: 0.
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There is no verifiable evidence of any god(s). None whatsoever.
Christian: a person afraid of a perpetually hiding [imaginary] god.
Extortion (Believe or Burn) is _THE_ foundation of Christianity.
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2019-09-01 06:39:59 UTC
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No animal other than man murders. Every other animal form will KILL without
remorse. Thus man is the only animal that needs God to guide him in the ways of
righteousness.
I know of no culture that allows murder.
They all have some kind of punishment for murder. There were such cultures before God got around to making himself known after humans appeared 100,000 years ago.
There have always been prohibitions against murder in any organised culture, regardless of their religion or lack of one.
It isn't that hard to see how allowing people to murder is a surefire way to chaos.
Rules/laws are there because people have identified behavior that hurts society and should be prohibited. Some of it is based on empathy, some based on reason.
God is not neccessary for the rules to be fair. God's punishment for any crime always seems to be death, which is in the minds of most people, excessive.
The fact that we are told God is all good and all loving is contradictory to stoning disrespectful children.
Either God is a bit crazy or these rules came from the minds of men who made it up.
One of the problems for many people is that god is claimed to be omniscient, and yet he approved of things that are no longer allowed. Killing innocents is no more evil than killing those who have not themselves killed anyone. God should be able to see that these punishments do not stop these behaviors and are only going to lead people away from their belief.
The fiction of Noah's flood is another bit of excessive punishment. Persons who have done nothing to deserve a death sentence, were supposedly killed along with children and the unborn because of...what?
Its thus kind of crap that makes people lose or question their faith.
Then there's people like you.
People who claim to be following God but clearly are not.
It's going to get worse for you and better for humanity as religion slowly but surely dies.
I believe and hope you are right.
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There is no verifiable evidence of any god(s). None whatsoever.
Christian: a person afraid of a perpetually hiding [imaginary] god.
Extortion (Believe or Burn) is _THE_ foundation of Christianity.
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2019-09-10 10:03:26 UTC
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On Sun, 25 Aug 2019 09:32:26 -0700, ----------- A t h e i s t
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Most religions believe murder is wrong.
Most _everyone_ believes murder is wrong; we don't need a god to know that.
Even animal societies know that arbitrary killing is wrong; no god needed.
Christians, Jews and Muslims don't know murder is wrong. Their holy
books are chock full of murder mayhem and intolerance. Righteous
killing is not murder, it is only murder if you kill one of them.
Robert
2019-09-10 18:35:13 UTC
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Christians, Jews and Muslims don't know murder is wrong. Their holy
books are chock full of murder mayhem and intolerance. Righteous
killing is not murder, it is only murder if you kill one of them.
Atheists murder newborn and unborn babies by the millions in the USA
alone.
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But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
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2019-09-10 20:32:40 UTC
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Christians, Jews and Muslims don't know murder is wrong. Their holy
books are chock full of murder mayhem and intolerance. Righteous
killing is not murder, it is only murder if you kill one of them.
Atheists murder newborn and unborn babies by the millions in the USA
alone.
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But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
You ignorant fool ... christians have more abortions in America than anyone.

maybe you should go talk to the jews and catholics on the USSC who condone abortion.

There's a good reason why evangelical/zionist xians aren't welcome on the USSC.
Christopher A. Lee
2019-09-10 23:31:18 UTC
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Christians, Jews and Muslims don't know murder is wrong. Their holy
books are chock full of murder mayhem and intolerance. Righteous
killing is not murder, it is only murder if you kill one of them.
Atheists murder newborn and unborn babies by the millions in the USA
alone.
You're insane.
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2019-09-11 11:01:11 UTC
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On Tue, 10 Sep 2019 18:31:18 -0500, Christopher A. Lee
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Christians, Jews and Muslims don't know murder is wrong. Their holy
books are chock full of murder mayhem and intolerance. Righteous
killing is not murder, it is only murder if you kill one of them.
Atheists murder newborn and unborn babies by the millions in the USA
alone.
You're insane.
Or an evangelical Christian; but maybe that's redundant?

Young-earth, flat-earth, rapture-head, flood-head, end-times,
apocalyptic asininity, born-again, tribulation, biblical inerrancy,
biblical literalism, biblical cosmology, biblical prophecy,
creationism, demon haunted worlders, science deniers, etc..

There ought to be a prefix or suffix that one could attach to
Christians (all religious?) that could denote the truly off-the-wall,
batshit-crazy, "everyone except us will be tortured for eternity,"
crowd from the moderate semi-sane religious idiots.
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