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What Church most closely follows the teaching of Jesus?
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MattB
2018-03-02 22:29:31 UTC
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What Church most closely follows the teaching of Jesus?

What organized church most closely follows the teaching of Jesus??
Pøœt B
2018-03-02 22:28:26 UTC
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What Church most closely follows the teaching of Jesus?
What organized church most closely follows the teaching of Jesus??
Why do you ask?
Do you seek to follow the words of Jesus?
Pøœt B
2018-03-03 08:44:18 UTC
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Indiana Catholic priest charged with domestic violence against wife

Indianapolis, Ind., Mar 1, 2018 / 04:53 pm (CNA/EWTN News).- A married
Catholic priest in the Indianapolis archdiocese faces several criminal
domestic violence charges after he allegedly assaulted his wife in
September 2017.

The priest serves the Personal Ordinariate of the Chair of Saint
Peter, a special church jurisdiction set up for Anglicans who wished
to enter the Catholic Church, often as a group, while retaining many
of their customs. Because they come from the Anglican tradition, some
priests in the ordinariate are married.

The ordinariate said in a statement that it is “committed to
collaborating with authorities to ensure justice is provided for all
concerned, and affirms the Catholic Church’s clear teaching that
domestic violence is never justified,” the Indianapolis television
station FOX59 reports.

Father Luke W. Reese, 49, is charged with kidnapping, criminal
confinement, intimidation, and domestic battery in a Sept. 24 incident
after he allegedly discovered his wife was having an affair.

According to the Indianapolis Star, charges were filed in October
2017. The Star said the story was initially reported by independent
journalist Damien Fisher.

A former Anglican clergyman ordained as a Catholic priest in June 2016
for the ordinariate, Reese was serving at Holy Rosary Catholic Church
in Indianapolis.

The victim’s probable cause affidavit said she was in the backseat of
a vehicle with a man when Reese arrived and told her to get out. He
then drove her around the city as he hit her and played loud heavy
metal music. He took her to Holy Rosary Church and, the victim claims,
forced her to kneel at the altar. He said he could choke her, then
slammed her into a wall and hit her head on their vehicle before they
left.

He reportedly drove his wife to Auburn to force her to tell her
grandmother what had happened. When they returned home, the priest
allegedly forced her to have sexual relations.

The ordinariate said the priest was put on administrative leave on
Sept. 27, 2017 “when he disclosed actions that resulted in criminal
charges related to domestic violence.”

Mary Foley Panszi, the alleged victim’s attorney, said, “It is
unfortunate when anyone is a victim of domestic violence or physical
abuse.” She lamented comments “from people within the church and the
greater Indiana community at large, saying it must be the victim’s
fault,” given the current environment in which men and women are “much
more conscious and aware of the devastation that is caused to the
abused victims and their families.”

Soon after the alleged assault, Holy Rosary pastor Father C. Ryan
McCarthy said in a church bulletin announcement that Reese had
notified him of “some personal and family issues which would require a
greater amount of his attention.” Reese had asked for a leave of
absence from Archbishop Charles C. Thompson, who granted a leave of
absence of indeterminate length.

The pastor asked the parish to respect the privacy of Reese and his
family and continue to pray for them.
https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/indiana-catholic-priest-charged-with-domestic-violence-against-wife-93829
Pøœt B
2018-03-03 08:46:57 UTC
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Palliative care means accompanying, not abandoning

Vatican City, Feb 28, 2018 / 05:07 pm (CNA/EWTN News).- Palliative
care is a reminder that love for those who are dying means
accompaniment, not abandonment, Cardinal Pietro Parolin said
Wednesday.

In a Feb. 28 letter, the Holy See’s Secretary of State told the
Congress on Palliative Care that medicine is based on an “untiring
commitment” for new knowledge, but must also recognize the limits of
disease and illness.

“And this means not abandoning sick people, but rather being close to
them and accompanying them in the difficult test that makes itself
present at the end of life.”

He said the mutual dependence of love “emerges with particular
emphasis in moments of sickness and suffering, especially at the end
of life, but which in reality permeates all human relationships and
indeed constitutes their most specific feature.” The cardinal cited
St. Paul’s Letter to the Romans about “the continuing debt to love one
another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law.”

The Congress on Palliative Care, organized by the Pontifical Academy
for Life, is taking place in Rome from Feb. 28 to March 1.

On the agenda of the congress was a presentation of the project
PAL-Life, organized by the Pontifical Academy for Life, to disseminate
palliative care practices globally. The congress and the PAL-Life
project aim to promote dialogue and cooperation between those involved
in performing and promoting palliative care

Cardinal Parolin told the congress that palliative care is “a task in
which believers can find like-minded companions in many people of good
will.” He said it was significant that representatives of different
religions and cultures were present at the congress.

There is a “human and theological dignity” that does not cease, even
when one loses one’s health, one’s social role, or control over one’s
body.

Palliative care is valuable for medical practice, and for human
existence as a whole, because it reminds humanity of the basic dignity
at the root of every caring relationship, he said.

Cardinal Parolin noted the importance of the family in palliative care
because of its unique role showing “solidarity between the
generations.” The family is where mutual aid is experienced in times
of suffering or illness.

He suggested there is a bridge between the care one receives at the
beginning of life and the care “to be given responsibly to others, in
the succession of generations so as to embrace the whole human
family.”

When all the resources of action seem to be exhausted, the cardinal
said, the “most important aspect” of human relations emerges: that of
“being,” including “being present, being close, being welcoming.”

“This also involves sharing in the impotence of those who reach the
extreme point of life,” Cardinal Parolin said. When this sharing
happens, the meaning of the limit of life can change: “It is no longer
a place of separation and solitude, but rather an opportunity for
meeting and communion.”

“Death itself is introduced into a symbolic horizon within which it
can appear not so much as the term against which life breaks and
succumbs, but rather as the fulfillment of a freely received and
lovingly shared existence.”

Discussing pain relief, the cardinal noted how Pope Pius XII
distinguished it from euthanasia. It may be administered for
unbearable pain not otherwise treatable even if it may cause a
shortening of life.

With the advent of new sedative drugs, the cardinal explained, “the
ethical criterion does not change, but the use of these procedures
always requires careful discernment and great prudence.” Deep sedation
runs the risk of removing the “relational and communicative dimension”
that is crucial in accompanying palliative care.

“It is therefore always at least partially unsatisfactory, so it must
be considered as an extreme remedy, after having carefully examined
and clarified the indications.”

The cardinal’s letter closed saying that Pope Francis imparted his
blessing to the congress and asked prayers for his ministry.
https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/cardinal-parolin-palliative-care-means-accompanying-not-abandoning-40647
Pøœt B
2018-03-03 08:49:04 UTC
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Iowa Senate passes fetal heartbeat abortion ban

Des Moines, Iowa, Mar 1, 2018 / 05:00 pm (CNA).- On Wednesday, the
Iowa Senate approved a measure 30-20 that would prohibit abortions in
the state after a baby’s heartbeat is detected during a pregnancy.

The legislation, Senate File 2281, moves that a physician cannot
perform an abortion after a heartbeat has been detected. The measure
would require that physicians test women before an abortion to
determine the presence of a fetal heartbeat. The bill would make
certain exceptions in cases of medical emergencies.

The legislation now moves on to the House of Representatives, which
has a Republican majority.

A statement from the the Iowa Catholic Conference said that the
state’s bishops “support the life-affirming intent of ‘heartbeat’
abortion legislation such as Senate File 2281.”

“We appreciate legislators for their efforts to advance the protection
of unborn children and we remain committed to helping with efforts
aimed at resolving questions regarding the bill’s constitutionality,”
the statement continued.

During the legislation’s presentation in the Senate, the bill’s
sponsor Sen. Amy Sinclair said that the presence of a beating heart is
the “indication of another human being’s life,” according to the Des
Moines Register.

Fetal heartbeats during pregnancy can be detected around 6-7 weeks of
pregnancy.

“Please take a moment with me to reflect on what it means to be human,
to be a person with rights, to aggressively defend your own right to
life and to defend your reasonable expectation that your government
should actively support you and all other individuals with a beating
heart in that very same endeavor,” Sinclair said

“Senate File 2281 gets at the very heart and soul of what it means to
be an American, of what it means to be a person,” she continued.

Sen. Janet Petersen, D-Des Moines, a leading opponent of the bill,
called the legislation “unfathomable,” saying that “there are no other
provisions in Iowa code that say an Iowan cannot access medical care
unless it is to prevent death.”

If the bill passes, and a physician did perform an abortion after a
fetal heartbeat had been detected, the doctor could be criminally
charged with a Class D felony and serve upwards of 5 years in prison.

The fetal heartbeat abortion ban was attempted last year by House
Republicans, but withdrawn when it failed to gain support. However,
Iowa Governor Terry Branstad did sign a bill last year prohibiting
most abortions after 20-weeks of pregnancy.

“Science shows that life begins at conception,” the Iowa bishops'
statement read.

“May we continue to work together in solidarity on ways to protect
vulnerable people, including the unborn.”

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/iowa-senate-passes-fetal-heartbeat-abortion-ban-25222
R☼d
2018-03-02 22:58:21 UTC
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Post by MattB
What Church most closely follows the teaching of Jesus?
It would be individuals, not "churches". A church
can teach you but it can't force you to follow
Christ. You should remember also that Paul explicitly
told the Gentiles that if they are of the spiritual
circumcision then they are obligated to do all the
law, not just the 10 commandments. If you are of the
circumcision the Christ will be of no effect for you.

If you are not of the circumcision then Christ is everything
you need to enter the kingdom. The less sins you commit, the
better for you, but you also must follow the Laws of Love
Post by MattB
What organized church most closely follows the teaching of Jesus??
Again, it is the individual.
Andrew W
2018-03-03 03:42:11 UTC
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Post by MattB
What Church most closely follows the teaching of Jesus?
It would be individuals, not "churches". A church
can teach you but it can't force you to follow
Christ. You should remember also that Paul explicitly
told the Gentiles that if they are of the spiritual
circumcision then they are obligated to do all the
law, not just the 10 commandments. If you are of the
circumcision the Christ will be of no effect for you.
If you are not of the circumcision then Christ is everything
you need to enter the kingdom. The less sins you commit, the
better for you, but you also must follow the Laws of Love
Post by MattB
What organized church most closely follows the teaching of Jesus??
Again, it is the individual.
There's no such thing as spiritual circumcision. What circumcision are you
talking about?
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Anyone or anything that sets itself up to be worshipped must be considered a
false god.
Anyone who has a master is a slave.
Robert
2018-03-03 05:05:22 UTC
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Post by MattB
What Church most closely follows the teaching of Jesus?
It would be individuals, not "churches". A church
can teach you but it can't force you to follow
Christ. You should remember also that Paul explicitly
told the Gentiles that if they are of the spiritual
circumcision then they are obligated to do all the
law, not just the 10 commandments. If you are of the
circumcision the Christ will be of no effect for you.
If you are not of the circumcision then Christ is everything
you need to enter the kingdom. The less sins you commit, the
better for you, but you also must follow the Laws of Love
Post by MattB
What organized church most closely follows the teaching of Jesus??
Again, it is the individual.
There's no such thing as spiritual circumcision. What circumcision are you
talking about?
Deu_10:16  Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no
more stiffnecked.

Rom 2:26  Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of
the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision? 

Rom 2:29  But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is
that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise
is not of men, but of God. 
Andrew W
2018-03-03 06:17:03 UTC
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On Sat, 3 Mar 2018 14:42:11 +1100, "Andrew W"
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Post by MattB
What Church most closely follows the teaching of Jesus?
It would be individuals, not "churches". A church
can teach you but it can't force you to follow
Christ. You should remember also that Paul explicitly
told the Gentiles that if they are of the spiritual
circumcision then they are obligated to do all the
law, not just the 10 commandments. If you are of the
circumcision the Christ will be of no effect for you.
If you are not of the circumcision then Christ is everything
you need to enter the kingdom. The less sins you commit, the
better for you, but you also must follow the Laws of Love
Post by MattB
What organized church most closely follows the teaching of Jesus??
Again, it is the individual.
There's no such thing as spiritual circumcision. What circumcision are you
talking about?
Deu_10:16 Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no
more stiffnecked.
Rom 2:26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of
the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?
Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is
that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise
is not of men, but of God.
This is just Jewish circumcision nonsense. Jews have circumcision on the
brain. We can disregard.
--
http://members.optusnet.com.au/ajwerner/

Anyone or anything that sets itself up to be worshipped must be considered a
false god.
Anyone who has a master is a slave.
Robert
2018-03-03 06:29:40 UTC
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On Sat, 3 Mar 2018 14:42:11 +1100, "Andrew W"
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Post by MattB
What Church most closely follows the teaching of Jesus?
It would be individuals, not "churches". A church
can teach you but it can't force you to follow
Christ. You should remember also that Paul explicitly
told the Gentiles that if they are of the spiritual
circumcision then they are obligated to do all the
law, not just the 10 commandments. If you are of the
circumcision the Christ will be of no effect for you.
If you are not of the circumcision then Christ is everything
you need to enter the kingdom. The less sins you commit, the
better for you, but you also must follow the Laws of Love
Post by MattB
What organized church most closely follows the teaching of Jesus??
Again, it is the individual.
There's no such thing as spiritual circumcision. What circumcision are you
talking about?
Deu_10:16 Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no
more stiffnecked.
Rom 2:26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of
the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?
Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is
that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise
is not of men, but of God.
This is just Jewish circumcision nonsense. Jews have circumcision on the
brain. We can disregard.
It isn't Jewish nonsense, it is a spiritual thing for the Gentile
believer. The fact of the matter is that before there were Jews, or
even Israelites circumcision was a practice amongst all of Abraham's
descendents for over 5-600 years. It was part of a covenant with
Abraham.

Anyhow, you said it didn't exist, but there it is. :)
Andrew W
2018-03-03 11:00:07 UTC
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Post by MattB
What Church most closely follows the teaching of Jesus?
It would be individuals, not "churches". A church
can teach you but it can't force you to follow
Christ. You should remember also that Paul explicitly
told the Gentiles that if they are of the spiritual
circumcision then they are obligated to do all the
law, not just the 10 commandments. If you are of the
circumcision the Christ will be of no effect for you.
If you are not of the circumcision then Christ is everything
you need to enter the kingdom. The less sins you commit, the
better for you, but you also must follow the Laws of Love
Post by MattB
What organized church most closely follows the teaching of Jesus??
Again, it is the individual.
There's no such thing as spiritual circumcision. What circumcision are you
talking about?
Deu_10:16 Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no
more stiffnecked.
Rom 2:26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of
the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?
Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is
that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise
is not of men, but of God.
This is just Jewish circumcision nonsense. Jews have circumcision on the
brain. We can disregard.
It isn't Jewish nonsense, it is a spiritual thing for the Gentile
believer. The fact of the matter is that before there were Jews, or
even Israelites circumcision was a practice amongst all of Abraham's
descendents for over 5-600 years. It was part of a covenant with
Abraham.
Anyhow, you said it didn't exist, but there it is. :)
True it's very old, and the Jews carried it on, but circumcision is a
physical operation on one particular part of the body, it's not a spiritual
principle or concept. It's an ancient cult practice along with blood
sacrifice which was instituted by a false alien God such as Jehovah.
--
http://members.optusnet.com.au/ajwerner/

Anyone or anything that sets itself up to be worshipped must be considered a
false god.
Anyone who has a master is a slave.
Robert
2018-03-03 22:21:41 UTC
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Post by Robert
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Post by MattB
What Church most closely follows the teaching of Jesus?
It would be individuals, not "churches". A church
can teach you but it can't force you to follow
Christ. You should remember also that Paul explicitly
told the Gentiles that if they are of the spiritual
circumcision then they are obligated to do all the
law, not just the 10 commandments. If you are of the
circumcision the Christ will be of no effect for you.
If you are not of the circumcision then Christ is everything
you need to enter the kingdom. The less sins you commit, the
better for you, but you also must follow the Laws of Love
Post by MattB
What organized church most closely follows the teaching of Jesus??
Again, it is the individual.
There's no such thing as spiritual circumcision. What circumcision are you
talking about?
Deu_10:16 Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no
more stiffnecked.
Rom 2:26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of
the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?
Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is
that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise
is not of men, but of God.
This is just Jewish circumcision nonsense. Jews have circumcision on the
brain. We can disregard.
It isn't Jewish nonsense, it is a spiritual thing for the Gentile
believer. The fact of the matter is that before there were Jews, or
even Israelites circumcision was a practice amongst all of Abraham's
descendents for over 5-600 years. It was part of a covenant with
Abraham.
Anyhow, you said it didn't exist, but there it is. :)
True it's very old, and the Jews carried it on, but circumcision is a
physical operation on one particular part of the body, it's not a spiritual
principle or concept. It's an ancient cult practice along with blood
sacrifice which was instituted by a false alien God such as Jehovah.
Didn't you read the verses above? Even in the OT is was also
spiritual. Deut 10:16. And in case you might think it a fluke there is
this, ...

Deut 30:6  And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the
heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and
with all thy soul, that thou mayest live. 

It is God that makes it spiritual, then and now, then look at all the
blessings that will fall on the believer, without following the law, v
7-10.

The circumcision was a sign or signature of the Covenant between God
and Abraham and his seed that follows him. In our case it is
spiritual, although many in Christian nations are circumcised that are
not Jewish or Christian. The debate over the health difference rages
on, but it is, as Paul says, and all the Jewish believers agreed, that
it is the circumcision of the heart that matters. The spirit that is
reborn is not of the flesh, it is new and therefore requires our
mind/soul to interact with our flesh considered dead unto God at this
time due to its lusts.

As to the Jewishness of it, that is dispelled in John.
Joh 7:21  Jesus answered and said unto them, I have done one work, and
ye all marvel. 
Joh 7:22  Moses therefore gave unto you circumcision; (not because it
is of Moses, but of the fathers;) and ye on the Sabbath day circumcise
a man. 
Joh 7:23  If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the
law of Moses should not be broken; are ye angry at me, because I have
made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day? 
Joh 7:24  Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous
judgment. 

V22 clearly points out that it is not a matter of the Law of Moses but
it was from their Gentile forefathers. And this was spoken by Jesus
himself. (who BTW is a Jew)

So it is by Faith that we are Circumcised in on reads through the book
of Romans,...
Rom 4:9  Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or
upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to
Abraham for righteousness. 
Rom 4:10  How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in
uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision. 
Rom 4:11  And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the
righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that
he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not
circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also: 
Rom 4:12  And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the
circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our
father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised. 

And this reiterates the fact that a non-Jew received the covenant by
Faith and it was accounted to him as righteousness, and it is the same
for the modern day believer.
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2018-03-03 21:05:44 UTC
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Post by MattB
What Church most closely follows the teaching of Jesus?
  It would be individuals, not "churches". A church
  can teach you but it can't force you to follow
  Christ. You should remember also that Paul explicitly
  told the Gentiles that if they are of the spiritual
  circumcision then they are obligated to do all the
  law, not just the 10 commandments. If you are of the
  circumcision the Christ will be of no effect for you.
  If you are not of the circumcision then Christ is everything
  you need to enter the kingdom. The less sins you commit, the
  better for you, but you also must follow the Laws of Love
Post by MattB
What organized church most closely follows the teaching of Jesus??
  Again, it is the individual.
There's no such thing as spiritual circumcision.
You are in the wrong group, atheist. No one that we know
of wants to discuss anti faith. This is group for those
with faith in God, as the group title indicates.



What circumcision are
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you talking about?
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What Church most closely follows the teaching of Jesus?
  It would be individuals, not "churches". A church
  can teach you but it can't force you to follow
  Christ. You should remember also that Paul explicitly
  told the Gentiles that if they are of the spiritual
  circumcision then they are obligated to do all the
  law, not just the 10 commandments. If you are of the
  circumcision the Christ will be of no effect for you.
  If you are not of the circumcision then Christ is everything
  you need to enter the kingdom. The less sins you commit, the
  better for you, but you also must follow the Laws of Love
Post by MattB
What organized church most closely follows the teaching of Jesus??
  Again, it is the individual.
There's no such thing as spiritual circumcision.
You are in the wrong group, atheist. No one that we know
of wants to discuss anti faith. This is group for those
with faith in God, as the group title indicates.
FYI, it's a response to Matt B. Who on occasion does post to an
atheist newsgroups & does not trim headers.
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What circumcision are
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you talking about?
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MattB
2018-03-03 22:01:13 UTC
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What Church most closely follows the teaching of Jesus?
It would be individuals, not "churches". A church
can teach you but it can't force you to follow
Christ. You should remember also that Paul explicitly
told the Gentiles that if they are of the spiritual
circumcision then they are obligated to do all the
law, not just the 10 commandments. If you are of the
circumcision the Christ will be of no effect for you.
If you are not of the circumcision then Christ is everything
you need to enter the kingdom. The less sins you commit, the
better for you, but you also must follow the Laws of Love
Post by MattB
What organized church most closely follows the teaching of Jesus??
Again, it is the individual.
There's no such thing as spiritual circumcision. What circumcision are you
talking about?
What is spiritual circumcision and when/how does it take place?

Physical Circumcision has a practical purpose medically.
MattB
2018-03-03 22:07:56 UTC
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What Church most closely follows the teaching of Jesus?
It would be individuals, not "churches". A church
can teach you but it can't force you to follow
Christ. You should remember also that Paul explicitly
told the Gentiles that if they are of the spiritual
circumcision then they are obligated to do all the
law, not just the 10 commandments. If you are of the
circumcision the Christ will be of no effect for you.
If a Church does not teach what Jesus taught them you will be
following something else. I already know the RCC has added and
changed the teaching of Jesus for power and Greed. Is there any
Organized Church that has not. The Bible teaches that salvation does
not require a Church this I know.
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If you are not of the circumcision then Christ is everything
you need to enter the kingdom. The less sins you commit, the
better for you, but you also must follow the Laws of Love
Post by MattB
What organized church most closely follows the teaching of Jesus??
Again, it is the individual.
Pøœt B
2018-03-03 23:05:46 UTC
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The Bible teaches that salvation does
not require a Church this I know.
prove it, pedo-lover.
MattB
2018-03-03 23:17:02 UTC
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The Bible teaches that salvation does
not require a Church this I know.
prove it, pedo-lover.
Patrick Barker I thought I had told you to go into the corner and shut
up.

No where did Jesus say it was required.
R☼d
2018-03-04 00:27:22 UTC
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Post by MattB
The Bible teaches that salvation does
not require a Church this I know.
prove it, pedo-lover.
Patrick Barker I thought I had told you to go into the corner and shut
up.
No where did Jesus say it was required.
But he did say that where ever two or more of you are gathered in His
name, he will be in the midst of thee. He also said not to neglect to
come together in His name.
Pøœt B
2018-03-04 01:29:52 UTC
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Post by MattB
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Post by MattB
The Bible teaches that salvation does
not require a Church this I know.
prove it, pedo-lover.
Patrick Barker I thought I had told you to go into the corner and shut
up.
No where did Jesus say it was required.
But he did say that where ever two or more of you are gathered in His
name, he will be in the midst of thee. He also said not to neglect to
come together in His name.
Proverbs 19:9
A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who breathes out lies
will perish.

matty - the pedo lover - is a liar.
Robert
2018-03-04 03:05:32 UTC
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Post by Pøœt B
Proverbs 19:9
A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who breathes out lies
will perish.
matty - the pedo lover - is a liar.
You just lied and showed everyone just how much you honor your own
churches traditions, Patrick.
MattB
2018-03-04 04:33:05 UTC
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Post by Robert
Post by Pøœt B
Proverbs 19:9
A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who breathes out lies
will perish.
matty - the pedo lover - is a liar.
You just lied and showed everyone just how much you honor your own
churches traditions, Patrick.
In those like Patrick his RCC is above the teachings of Jesus. His
RCC has placed unnecessary baggage above Jesus teachings to get power
and for greed.
Pøœt B
2018-03-04 13:38:37 UTC
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Post by MattB
Post by Robert
Post by Pøœt B
Proverbs 19:9
A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who breathes out lies
will perish.
matty - the pedo lover - is a liar.
You just lied and showed everyone just how much you honor your own
churches traditions, Patrick.
In those like Patrick his RCC is above the teachings of Jesus. His
RCC has placed unnecessary baggage above Jesus teachings to get power
and for greed.
I certainly am not out for power or greed.
I am perfectly content with who I am, and what I have been given from
God.
Matty - OTOH - protects and defends pedophiles.
He reminds me of those hypocrite gays who belittle other gays.
MattB
2018-03-04 20:30:35 UTC
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Post by Pøœt B
Post by MattB
Post by Robert
Post by Pøœt B
Proverbs 19:9
A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who breathes out lies
will perish.
matty - the pedo lover - is a liar.
You just lied and showed everyone just how much you honor your own
churches traditions, Patrick.
In those like Patrick his RCC is above the teachings of Jesus. His
RCC has placed unnecessary baggage above Jesus teachings to get power
and for greed.
I certainly am not out for power or greed.
We are discussing Churches.
Post by Pøœt B
I am perfectly content with who I am, and what I have been given from
God.
OK
Post by Pøœt B
Matty - OTOH - protects and defends pedophiles.
He reminds me of those hypocrite gays who belittle other gays.
No that is Patrick Barker.

You lie and make shit up to defend your pedophile loving Pope.
Pøœt B
2018-03-04 21:40:51 UTC
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Post by Pøœt B
Post by MattB
Post by Robert
Post by Pøœt B
Proverbs 19:9
A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who breathes out lies
will perish.
matty - the pedo lover - is a liar.
You just lied and showed everyone just how much you honor your own
churches traditions, Patrick.
In those like Patrick his RCC is above the teachings of Jesus. His
RCC has placed unnecessary baggage above Jesus teachings to get power
and for greed.
I certainly am not out for power or greed.
We are discussing Churches.
I am a member of a church.
A very large church.
Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
I am perfectly content with who I am, and what I have been given from
God.
OK
Matty - OTOH - protects and defends pedophiles.
He reminds me of those hypocrite gays who belittle other gays.
MattB
2018-03-04 22:27:02 UTC
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Post by Pøœt B
Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
Post by MattB
Post by Robert
Post by Pøœt B
Proverbs 19:9
A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who breathes out lies
will perish.
matty - the pedo lover - is a liar.
You just lied and showed everyone just how much you honor your own
churches traditions, Patrick.
In those like Patrick his RCC is above the teachings of Jesus. His
RCC has placed unnecessary baggage above Jesus teachings to get power
and for greed.
I certainly am not out for power or greed.
We are discussing Churches.
I am a member of a church.
A very large church.
A neo-Christian Pagan church.
Post by Pøœt B
Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
I am perfectly content with who I am, and what I have been given from
God.
OK
Matty - OTOH - protects and defends pedophiles.
He reminds me of those hypocrite gays who belittle other gays.
Pøœt B
2018-03-04 13:36:52 UTC
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Post by Robert
Post by Pøœt B
Proverbs 19:9
A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who breathes out lies
will perish.
matty - the pedo lover - is a liar.
You just lied and showed everyone just how much you honor your own
churches traditions, Patrick.
How did I honor anything?
I am merely speaking the truth, and backing it up with bible quotes,
that matty loves to use as a weapon.
Robert
2018-03-04 18:35:50 UTC
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Post by Pøœt B
Post by Robert
Post by Pøœt B
Proverbs 19:9
A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who breathes out lies
will perish.
matty - the pedo lover - is a liar.
You just lied and showed everyone just how much you honor your own
churches traditions, Patrick.
How did I honor anything?
I am merely speaking the truth, and backing it up with bible quotes,
that matty loves to use as a weapon.
In scripture Matthew was a disciple of Christ, not a pedo lover. Now
you have lied twice. You cannot back up what you said about Matt in
scripture, nor in real life about being a pedo lover.
Pøœt B
2018-03-04 19:09:56 UTC
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Post by Robert
Post by Pøœt B
Post by Robert
Post by Pøœt B
Proverbs 19:9
A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who breathes out lies
will perish.
matty - the pedo lover - is a liar.
You just lied and showed everyone just how much you honor your own
churches traditions, Patrick.
How did I honor anything?
I am merely speaking the truth, and backing it up with bible quotes,
that matty loves to use as a weapon.
In scripture Matthew was a disciple of Christ, not a pedo lover. Now
you have lied twice. You cannot back up what you said about Matt in
scripture, nor in real life about being a pedo lover.
Look up matty's dad.
He is a Tier 2 Sex offender in Skaggit County where matty lives.
Matty defends and denies his own father. Tell me why.
http://www.skagitcounty.net/Departments/Sheriff/SexOffenders/117324.htm

Larry J Brooks
14180 Beaver Marsh RD, Mount Vernon, WA 98273
(360) 424-6617 is a land line phone
Robert
2018-03-04 20:24:23 UTC
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Post by Pøœt B
Post by Robert
Post by Pøœt B
Post by Robert
Post by Pøœt B
Proverbs 19:9
A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who breathes out lies
will perish.
matty - the pedo lover - is a liar.
You just lied and showed everyone just how much you honor your own
churches traditions, Patrick.
How did I honor anything?
I am merely speaking the truth, and backing it up with bible quotes,
that matty loves to use as a weapon.
In scripture Matthew was a disciple of Christ, not a pedo lover. Now
you have lied twice. You cannot back up what you said about Matt in
scripture, nor in real life about being a pedo lover.
Look up matty's dad.
He is a Tier 2 Sex offender in Skaggit County where matty lives.
Matty defends and denies his own father. Tell me why.
http://www.skagitcounty.net/Departments/Sheriff/SexOffenders/117324.htm
Larry J Brooks
14180 Beaver Marsh RD, Mount Vernon, WA 98273
(360) 424-6617 is a land line phone
Are you lying again? Can you prove this as a fact?

Shouldn't that man be made aware of who you are, your addy and your
phone number? And shouldn't the Feds and the USAF be made aware of
your stalking both Matt and Larry?

USMC can have you busted down to an Airman Basic along with your
retirement funds for your behaviors. I know this for a fact. You have
proven yourself to be no gentleman, as in an officer and a gentleman.
Pøœt B
2018-03-04 21:44:16 UTC
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Post by Pøœt B
Post by Robert
Post by Pøœt B
Post by Robert
Post by Pøœt B
Proverbs 19:9
A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who breathes out lies
will perish.
matty - the pedo lover - is a liar.
You just lied and showed everyone just how much you honor your own
churches traditions, Patrick.
How did I honor anything?
I am merely speaking the truth, and backing it up with bible quotes,
that matty loves to use as a weapon.
In scripture Matthew was a disciple of Christ, not a pedo lover. Now
you have lied twice. You cannot back up what you said about Matt in
scripture, nor in real life about being a pedo lover.
Look up matty's dad.
He is a Tier 2 Sex offender in Skaggit County where matty lives.
Matty defends and denies his own father. Tell me why.
http://www.skagitcounty.net/Departments/Sheriff/SexOffenders/117324.htm
Larry J Brooks
14180 Beaver Marsh RD, Mount Vernon, WA 98273
(360) 424-6617 is a land line phone
Are you lying again? Can you prove this as a fact?;
I gave you the web site.
Look it up.
Call him up.
larry misses his son, matty.
Shouldn't that man be made aware of who you are, your addy and your
phone number? And shouldn't the Feds and the USAF be made aware of
your stalking both Matt and Larry?
So, what is stopping you?
Ask matty who I am and where I live.
It is easy to find out.
I am in the book.
USMC can have you busted down
Why would they?
I never belonged to the Marine Corps.
God, you are stupid.
to an Airman Basic along with your
Marines don't have anyone with the rank of airman basic.
retirement funds for your behaviors. I know this for a fact. You have
proven yourself to be no gentleman, as in an officer and a gentleman.
What is stopping you?
LOOZER.
Go for it.
MattB
2018-03-04 22:47:10 UTC
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Post by Pøœt B
Post by Pøœt B
Post by Robert
Post by Pøœt B
Post by Robert
Post by Pøœt B
Proverbs 19:9
A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who breathes out lies
will perish.
matty - the pedo lover - is a liar.
You just lied and showed everyone just how much you honor your own
churches traditions, Patrick.
How did I honor anything?
I am merely speaking the truth, and backing it up with bible quotes,
that matty loves to use as a weapon.
In scripture Matthew was a disciple of Christ, not a pedo lover. Now
you have lied twice. You cannot back up what you said about Matt in
scripture, nor in real life about being a pedo lover.
Look up matty's dad.
He is a Tier 2 Sex offender in Skaggit County where matty lives.
Matty defends and denies his own father. Tell me why.
http://www.skagitcounty.net/Departments/Sheriff/SexOffenders/117324.htm
Larry J Brooks
14180 Beaver Marsh RD, Mount Vernon, WA 98273
(360) 424-6617 is a land line phone
Are you lying again? Can you prove this as a fact?;
I gave you the web site.
Look it up.
Call him up.
larry misses his son, matty.
I've said Larry isn't related to me so anyone can call the guy, I
really don't care.
Post by Pøœt B
Shouldn't that man be made aware of who you are, your addy and your
phone number? And shouldn't the Feds and the USAF be made aware of
your stalking both Matt and Larry?
So, what is stopping you?
Ask matty who I am and where I live.
It is easy to find out.
I am in the book.
USMC can have you busted down
Why would they?
I never belonged to the Marine Corps.
God, you are stupid.
to an Airman Basic along with your
Marines don't have anyone with the rank of airman basic.
retirement funds for your behaviors. I know this for a fact. You have
proven yourself to be no gentleman, as in an officer and a gentleman.
What is stopping you?
LOOZER.
Go for it.
MattB
2018-03-04 22:38:32 UTC
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Post by Robert
Post by Pøœt B
Post by Robert
Post by Pøœt B
Post by Robert
Post by Pøœt B
Proverbs 19:9
A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who breathes out lies
will perish.
matty - the pedo lover - is a liar.
You just lied and showed everyone just how much you honor your own
churches traditions, Patrick.
How did I honor anything?
I am merely speaking the truth, and backing it up with bible quotes,
that matty loves to use as a weapon.
In scripture Matthew was a disciple of Christ, not a pedo lover. Now
you have lied twice. You cannot back up what you said about Matt in
scripture, nor in real life about being a pedo lover.
Look up matty's dad.
He is a Tier 2 Sex offender in Skaggit County where matty lives.
Matty defends and denies his own father. Tell me why.
http://www.skagitcounty.net/Departments/Sheriff/SexOffenders/117324.htm
Larry J Brooks
14180 Beaver Marsh RD, Mount Vernon, WA 98273
(360) 424-6617 is a land line phone
Are you lying again? Can you prove this as a fact?
Larry is not related to me. This is Patrick Barkers desperation to
defend his Pedophile priest. Were you around when Vera posted my
Florida address? Though in the end Vera and I became friends. Miss
her facebook post.
Post by Robert
Shouldn't that man be made aware of who you are, your addy and your
phone number? And shouldn't the Feds and the USAF be made aware of
your stalking both Matt and Larry?
Patrick hasn't been able to post anything truthful except he finally
got my employment right, not where, but what I do. Guess he lied when
he said it was Walmart, then Target, and then a cop.
Post by Robert
USMC can have you busted down to an Airman Basic along with your
retirement funds for your behaviors. I know this for a fact. You have
proven yourself to be no gentleman, as in an officer and a gentleman.
Pøœt B
2018-03-04 23:04:37 UTC
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Post by MattB
Post by Robert
Post by Pøœt B
Post by Robert
Post by Pøœt B
Post by Robert
Post by Pøœt B
Proverbs 19:9
A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who breathes out lies
will perish.
matty - the pedo lover - is a liar.
You just lied and showed everyone just how much you honor your own
churches traditions, Patrick.
How did I honor anything?
I am merely speaking the truth, and backing it up with bible quotes,
that matty loves to use as a weapon.
In scripture Matthew was a disciple of Christ, not a pedo lover. Now
you have lied twice. You cannot back up what you said about Matt in
scripture, nor in real life about being a pedo lover.
Look up matty's dad.
He is a Tier 2 Sex offender in Skaggit County where matty lives.
Matty defends and denies his own father. Tell me why.
http://www.skagitcounty.net/Departments/Sheriff/SexOffenders/117324.htm
Larry J Brooks
14180 Beaver Marsh RD, Mount Vernon, WA 98273
(360) 424-6617 is a land line phone
Are you lying again? Can you prove this as a fact?
Larry is not related to me. This is Patrick Barkers desperation to
defend his Pedophile priest. Were you around when Vera posted my
Florida address? Though in the end Vera and I became friends. Miss
her facebook post.
You keep mentioning vera.
I have never heard of her.
She must suck up to you in another whiney newsgroup.
Post by MattB
Patrick hasn't been able to post anything truthful except he finally
got my employment right, not where, but what I do. Guess he lied when
he said it was Walmart, then Target, and then a cop.
matty is in the personal security business.
He drives the little white car outside Walmart, looking for thieves.
He gets a thrill when he can turn on his little yellow light.
MattB
2018-03-04 23:11:02 UTC
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Post by Robert
Post by Pøœt B
Post by Robert
Post by Pøœt B
Post by Robert
Post by Pøœt B
Proverbs 19:9
A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who breathes out lies
will perish.
matty - the pedo lover - is a liar.
You just lied and showed everyone just how much you honor your own
churches traditions, Patrick.
How did I honor anything?
I am merely speaking the truth, and backing it up with bible quotes,
that matty loves to use as a weapon.
In scripture Matthew was a disciple of Christ, not a pedo lover. Now
you have lied twice. You cannot back up what you said about Matt in
scripture, nor in real life about being a pedo lover.
Look up matty's dad.
He is a Tier 2 Sex offender in Skaggit County where matty lives.
Matty defends and denies his own father. Tell me why.
http://www.skagitcounty.net/Departments/Sheriff/SexOffenders/117324.htm
Larry J Brooks
14180 Beaver Marsh RD, Mount Vernon, WA 98273
(360) 424-6617 is a land line phone
Are you lying again? Can you prove this as a fact?
Larry is not related to me. This is Patrick Barkers desperation to
defend his Pedophile priest. Were you around when Vera posted my
Florida address? Though in the end Vera and I became friends. Miss
her facebook post.
You keep mentioning vera.
I have never heard of her.
My reply was to Robert.
Post by Pøœt B
She must suck up to you in another whiney newsgroup.
She never sucked up to me. I visited Germany we got along after that.
She and her family were quite nice.
Post by Pøœt B
Post by MattB
Patrick hasn't been able to post anything truthful except he finally
got my employment right, not where, but what I do. Guess he lied when
he said it was Walmart, then Target, and then a cop.
matty is in the personal security business.
True.
Post by Pøœt B
He drives the little white car outside Walmart, looking for thieves.
He gets a thrill when he can turn on his little yellow light.
Again Patrick Barker feels the need to lie.
MattB
2018-03-04 21:18:54 UTC
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Post by Pøœt B
Post by Robert
Post by Pøœt B
Proverbs 19:9
A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who breathes out lies
will perish.
matty - the pedo lover - is a liar.
You just lied and showed everyone just how much you honor your own
churches traditions, Patrick.
How did I honor anything?
I am merely speaking the truth, and bac
Actually you lied and then posted some Bible passages.
Pøœt B
2018-03-04 21:45:00 UTC
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Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
Post by Robert
Post by Pøœt B
Proverbs 19:9
A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who breathes out lies
will perish.
matty - the pedo lover - is a liar.
You just lied and showed everyone just how much you honor your own
churches traditions, Patrick.
How did I honor anything?
I am merely speaking the truth, and bac
Actually you lied and then posted some Bible passages.
Isn't that YOUR game?
MattB
2018-03-04 22:28:37 UTC
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Post by Pøœt B
Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
Post by Robert
Post by Pøœt B
Proverbs 19:9
A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who breathes out lies
will perish.
matty - the pedo lover - is a liar.
You just lied and showed everyone just how much you honor your own
churches traditions, Patrick.
How did I honor anything?
I am merely speaking the truth, and bac
Actually you lied and then posted some Bible passages.
Isn't that YOUR game?
Is it?

Well you did so in this very post. Then again like with your defense
of Pedophilia that was yesterday so doesn't count.
Pøœt B
2018-03-04 23:05:19 UTC
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Post by Pøœt B
Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
Post by Robert
Post by Pøœt B
Proverbs 19:9
A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who breathes out lies
will perish.
matty - the pedo lover - is a liar.
You just lied and showed everyone just how much you honor your own
churches traditions, Patrick.
How did I honor anything?
I am merely speaking the truth, and bac
Actually you lied and then posted some Bible passages.
Isn't that YOUR game?
Is it?
Well you did so in this very post. Then again like with your defense
of Pedophilia that was yesterday so doesn't count.
I have never defended you or larry.
MattB
2018-03-04 23:12:39 UTC
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Post by Pøœt B
Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
Post by Robert
Post by Pøœt B
Proverbs 19:9
A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who breathes out lies
will perish.
matty - the pedo lover - is a liar.
You just lied and showed everyone just how much you honor your own
churches traditions, Patrick.
How did I honor anything?
I am merely speaking the truth, and bac
Actually you lied and then posted some Bible passages.
Isn't that YOUR game?
Is it?
Well you did so in this very post. Then again like with your defense
of Pedophilia that was yesterday so doesn't count.
I have never defended you or larry.
Wish I had been around to defend Melissa, Melanie and Kaan. Patrick
Barker you are sick.

Maybe we should call them???
R☼d
2018-03-04 01:47:43 UTC
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But he did say that where ever two or more of you are gathered in His
name, he will be in the midst of thee. He also said not to neglect to
come together in His name.
What I am saying Matt is that the commands above are why churches are
formed, and why the catholic church still exists today. The laity are
family, not just neighbors. They want to remain together, and those that
are obedient to God ARE the true catholics. Yes, they need to and are
weeding out the bad ones among them, but that takes time and patience
and knowledge. Pedophiles are an organized and elusive bunch, and there
are lots of them around. Case in point; the gangs that run the pedophile
crime ring in wichita, kansas. They have murdered several children that
tried to talk to the police. Presently a 5 year old boy went missing,
and this is the way it happens all the time in wichita; they are there
and then they are gone for good.
MattB
2018-03-04 04:34:11 UTC
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Post by R☼d
But he did say that where ever two or more of you are gathered in His
name, he will be in the midst of thee. He also said not to neglect to
come together in His name.
What I am saying Matt is that the commands above are why churches are
formed, and why the catholic church still exists today. The laity are
family, not just neighbors. They want to remain together, and those that
are obedient to God ARE the true catholics. Yes, they need to and are
weeding out the bad ones among them, but that takes time and patience
and knowledge. Pedophiles are an organized and elusive bunch, and there
are lots of them around. Case in point; the gangs that run the pedophile
crime ring in wichita, kansas. They have murdered several children that
tried to talk to the police. Presently a 5 year old boy went missing,
and this is the way it happens all the time in wichita; they are there
and then they are gone for good.
The Catholic Church has had 1700 year to weed out the bad apples. With
the Catholic the inquisition and its part in the Doctrine of Discovery
to me shows it to not be of Jesus.

Though in the case of this question I was talking about a Churches
Dogma, Doctrine and traditions. Do they follow what Jesus taught
without adding beliefs not supported by those teachings.

Is there any Church that "Teaches" what Jesus taught without
unnecessary baggage Jesus did not mention?
Pøœt B
2018-03-04 13:52:57 UTC
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Post by R☼d
Post by R☼d
But he did say that where ever two or more of you are gathered in His
name, he will be in the midst of thee. He also said not to neglect to
come together in His name.
What I am saying Matt is that the commands above are why churches are
formed, and why the catholic church still exists today. The laity are
family, not just neighbors. They want to remain together, and those that
are obedient to God ARE the true catholics. Yes, they need to and are
weeding out the bad ones among them, but that takes time and patience
and knowledge. Pedophiles are an organized and elusive bunch, and there
are lots of them around. Case in point; the gangs that run the pedophile
crime ring in wichita, kansas. They have murdered several children that
tried to talk to the police. Presently a 5 year old boy went missing,
and this is the way it happens all the time in wichita; they are there
and then they are gone for good.
The Catholic Church has had 1700 year to weed out the bad apples.
You aren't that old.
And when we get rid of one evil dirtbag, another shows up.
This is as old as Cain and Abel.
Post by MattB
With
the Catholic the inquisition and its part in the Doctrine of Discovery
to me shows it to not be of Jesus.
<Yawn> And why is that?
Please TRY to be specific.
Instead of just a general whine.
Post by MattB
Though in the case of this question I was talking about a Churches
Dogma, Doctrine and traditions. Do they follow what Jesus taught
without adding beliefs not supported by those teachings.
Yup.
Next question.
Post by MattB
Is there any Church that "Teaches" what Jesus taught without
unnecessary baggage Jesus did not mention?
That is what all churches attempt to teach.
However, when dorks get involved, someone must at least try to appease
them. For example.... Heaven and Hell. Pretty cut and dried,
correct? And also Baptism - another cut and dried doctrine.

Until a whiner likes you demands - YES DEMANDS - to know what happens
to a baby who dies that was not baptised?
So, .... someone makes up an answer that will shut you up for a decade
or a century. Limbo is created for you and you alone.

Then another dork - like you - demands to know the judgment process
and whether or not serial killers and fat people can stand side by
side in heaven... Someone answers. And Purgatory is invented for you
and you alone.

+++ So.... What really is the truth about what God is and what God
wants.... Do you pretend to know? Since you demand answers, someone
will give you something palatable that you can buy into.
But, you will never understand the essence of God, the purpose of
creation, or why we should be nice to each other.

Society needs order for it to thrive.
Someone must try to give us that order that will be kind to all
members of society who follow the rules.

And so, life goes on.

I prefer to live in an ordered society where everyone is equal.
Everyone should have the same opportunities to thrive. Religion gives
us this thing - in many cases. Until some evil dork decides he needs
more power that everyone else. Then we revert back to Cain and Abel.
Where we started.

Let us support those organizations that support equality, fairness,
honesty, good works, and humility.

No one is perfect. No organization is perfect.
Look to belong to something that is the best for you and society.
No - you will never find a perfect one. But that doesn't mean you
should whine about something that tries to make things better.

Unless you are matty.
MattB
2018-03-04 20:55:11 UTC
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Post by Pøœt B
Post by MattB
Post by R☼d
Post by R☼d
But he did say that where ever two or more of you are gathered in His
name, he will be in the midst of thee. He also said not to neglect to
come together in His name.
What I am saying Matt is that the commands above are why churches are
formed, and why the catholic church still exists today. The laity are
family, not just neighbors. They want to remain together, and those that
are obedient to God ARE the true catholics. Yes, they need to and are
weeding out the bad ones among them, but that takes time and patience
and knowledge. Pedophiles are an organized and elusive bunch, and there
are lots of them around. Case in point; the gangs that run the pedophile
crime ring in wichita, kansas. They have murdered several children that
tried to talk to the police. Presently a 5 year old boy went missing,
and this is the way it happens all the time in wichita; they are there
and then they are gone for good.
The Catholic Church has had 1700 year to weed out the bad apples.
You aren't that old.
And when we get rid of one evil dirtbag, another shows up.
This is as old as Cain and Abel.
Post by MattB
With
the Catholic the inquisition and its part in the Doctrine of Discovery
to me shows it to not be of Jesus.
<Yawn> And why is that?
It is a moral issue and no doubt over your head. The RCC can murder
in your views.
Post by Pøœt B
Please TRY to be specific.
Instead of just a general whine.
Post by MattB
Though in the case of this question I was talking about a Churches
Dogma, Doctrine and traditions. Do they follow what Jesus taught
without adding beliefs not supported by those teachings.
Yup.
Next question.
You didn't give a answer.
Post by Pøœt B
Post by MattB
Is there any Church that "Teaches" what Jesus taught without
unnecessary baggage Jesus did not mention?
That is what all churches attempt to teach.
I didn't ask for a Church that will "attempt" it. I asked was there
any that did.
Post by Pøœt B
However, when dorks get involved, someone must at least try to appease
them. For example.... Heaven and Hell. Pretty cut and dried,
correct? And also Baptism - another cut and dried doctrine.
Not infant Baptism.
Post by Pøœt B
Until a whiner likes you demands - YES DEMANDS - to know what happens
to a baby who dies that was not baptised?
Jesus didn't baptize infants.
Post by Pøœt B
So, .... someone makes up an answer that will shut you up for a decade
or a century. Limbo is created for you and you alone.
Then another dork - like you - demands to know the judgment process
and whether or not serial killers and fat people can stand side by
side in heaven... Someone answers. And Purgatory is invented for you
and you alone.
Purgatory is a false doctrine
Post by Pøœt B
+++ So.... What really is the truth about what God is and what God
wants.... Do you pretend to know? Since you demand answers, someone
will give you something palatable that you can buy into.
But, you will never understand the essence of God, the purpose of
creation, or why we should be nice to each other.
Society needs order for it to thrive.
Someone must try to give us that order that will be kind to all
members of society who follow the rules.
Jesus gave few rules Churches add to them.
Post by Pøœt B
And so, life goes on.
I prefer to live in an ordered society where everyone is equal.
Everyone should have the same opportunities to thrive. Religion gives
us this thing - in many cases. Until some evil dork decides he needs
more power that everyone else. Then we revert back to Cain and Abel.
Where we started.
In Jesus time that was done by governments.
Post by Pøœt B
Let us support those organizations that support equality, fairness,
honesty, good works, and humility.
That laves out many Churches. The RCC for sure look at what the Pope
did in Chile.
Post by Pøœt B
No one is perfect. No organization is perfect.
Look to belong to something that is the best for you and society.
No - you will never find a perfect one. But that doesn't mean you
should whine about something that tries to make things better.
Unless you are matty.
Pøœt B
2018-03-04 21:56:29 UTC
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Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
Post by MattB
Post by R☼d
Post by R☼d
But he did say that where ever two or more of you are gathered in His
name, he will be in the midst of thee. He also said not to neglect to
come together in His name.
What I am saying Matt is that the commands above are why churches are
formed, and why the catholic church still exists today. The laity are
family, not just neighbors. They want to remain together, and those that
are obedient to God ARE the true catholics. Yes, they need to and are
weeding out the bad ones among them, but that takes time and patience
and knowledge. Pedophiles are an organized and elusive bunch, and there
are lots of them around. Case in point; the gangs that run the pedophile
crime ring in wichita, kansas. They have murdered several children that
tried to talk to the police. Presently a 5 year old boy went missing,
and this is the way it happens all the time in wichita; they are there
and then they are gone for good.
The Catholic Church has had 1700 year to weed out the bad apples.
You aren't that old.
And when we get rid of one evil dirtbag, another shows up.
This is as old as Cain and Abel.
Post by MattB
With
the Catholic the inquisition and its part in the Doctrine of Discovery
to me shows it to not be of Jesus.
<Yawn> And why is that?
It is a moral issue and no doubt over your head. The RCC can murder
in your views.
The RCC doesn't murder anyone.
Some terrorists within the RCC may have murdered people.
Murder is never proper - in any case.
It is a commandment of God not to commit murder.
Is this news to you?
Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
Please TRY to be specific.
Instead of just a general whine.
<No answer from you>
I expect no less.
Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
Post by MattB
Though in the case of this question I was talking about a Churches
Dogma, Doctrine and traditions. Do they follow what Jesus taught
without adding beliefs not supported by those teachings.
Yup.
Next question.
You didn't give a answer.
What is the question?
If it is about murder, let me reiterate:
The RCC doesn't murder anyone.
Some terrorists within the RCC may have murdered people.
Murder is never proper - in any case.
It is a commandment of God not to commit murder.
Is this news to you?
Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
Post by MattB
Is there any Church that "Teaches" what Jesus taught without
unnecessary baggage Jesus did not mention?
That is what all churches attempt to teach.
I didn't ask for a Church that will "attempt" it. I asked was there
any that did.
Why?
Do you believe that there is a "PERFECT" church?
Is this what you are looking for?
Nothing is perfect.... except for God.

Next question.....
Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
However, when dorks get involved, someone must at least try to appease
them. For example.... Heaven and Hell. Pretty cut and dried,
correct? And also Baptism - another cut and dried doctrine.
Not infant Baptism.
Cut and dried.
The Catechism of the Catholic Church gives us the most important
reasons why we must baptize infants:
Born with a fallen human nature and tainted by original sin, children
also have need of the new birth in Baptism to be freed from the power
of darkness and brought into the realm of the freedom of the children
of God, to which all men are called. The sheer gratuitousness of the
grace of salvation is particularly manifest in infant baptism. The
Church and the parents would deny a child the priceless grace of
becoming a child of God were they not to confer Baptism shortly after
birth (CCC 1250).
Original sin is a reality from which each and every human person
desperately needs to be freed. Biblically speaking, Romans 5:12 is
remarkably clear on this point:
Therefore as sin came into the world through one man and death through
sin, and so death spread to all men because all men sinned.
Even if nothing else was said in Scripture implying infant baptism, we
could conclude it to be necessary just from this simple fact: babies
need to have original sin removed from their souls.
Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
Until a whiner likes you demands - YES DEMANDS - to know what happens
to a baby who dies that was not baptised?
Jesus didn't baptize infants.
Who did Jesus baptize?
Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist and his disciples baptized
many, but Jesus did not baptize anyone.
Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
So, .... someone makes up an answer that will shut you up for a decade
or a century. Limbo is created for you and you alone.
Then another dork - like you - demands to know the judgment process
and whether or not serial killers and fat people can stand side by
side in heaven... Someone answers. And Purgatory is invented for you
and you alone.
Purgatory is a false doctrine
Purgatory is invented for you and you alone.
Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
+++ So.... What really is the truth about what God is and what God
wants.... Do you pretend to know? Since you demand answers, someone
will give you something palatable that you can buy into.
But, you will never understand the essence of God, the purpose of
creation, or why we should be nice to each other.
Society needs order for it to thrive.
Someone must try to give us that order that will be kind to all
members of society who follow the rules.
Jesus gave few rules Churches add to them.
Society needs order for it to thrive.
Someone must try to give us that order that will be kind to all
members of society who follow the rules.
Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
And so, life goes on.
I prefer to live in an ordered society where everyone is equal.
Everyone should have the same opportunities to thrive. Religion gives
us this thing - in many cases. Until some evil dork decides he needs
more power that everyone else. Then we revert back to Cain and Abel.
Where we started.
In Jesus time that was done by governments.
Society needs order for it to thrive.
Someone must try to give us that order that will be kind to all
members of society who follow the rules.
Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
Let us support those organizations that support equality, fairness,
honesty, good works, and humility.
That laves out many Churches. The RCC for sure look at what the Pope
did in Chile.
What did the pope DO in Chile?
Please TRY to be specific.
Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
No one is perfect. No organization is perfect.
Look to belong to something that is the best for you and society.
No - you will never find a perfect one. But that doesn't mean you
should whine about something that tries to make things better.
Unless you are matty.
MattB
2018-03-04 22:39:30 UTC
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Post by Pøœt B
Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
Post by MattB
Post by R☼d
Post by R☼d
But he did say that where ever two or more of you are gathered in His
name, he will be in the midst of thee. He also said not to neglect to
come together in His name.
What I am saying Matt is that the commands above are why churches are
formed, and why the catholic church still exists today. The laity are
family, not just neighbors. They want to remain together, and those that
are obedient to God ARE the true catholics. Yes, they need to and are
weeding out the bad ones among them, but that takes time and patience
and knowledge. Pedophiles are an organized and elusive bunch, and there
are lots of them around. Case in point; the gangs that run the pedophile
crime ring in wichita, kansas. They have murdered several children that
tried to talk to the police. Presently a 5 year old boy went missing,
and this is the way it happens all the time in wichita; they are there
and then they are gone for good.
The Catholic Church has had 1700 year to weed out the bad apples.
You aren't that old.
And when we get rid of one evil dirtbag, another shows up.
This is as old as Cain and Abel.
Post by MattB
With
the Catholic the inquisition and its part in the Doctrine of Discovery
to me shows it to not be of Jesus.
<Yawn> And why is that?
It is a moral issue and no doubt over your head. The RCC can murder
in your views.
The RCC doesn't murder anyone.
Yet they have.
Post by Pøœt B
Some terrorists within the RCC may have murdered people.
Yes RCC Pope's
Post by Pøœt B
Murder is never proper - in any case.
Very true and neither was burning people alive or torturing them until
they confess. Your RCC was quite inventive with their torture
techniques.
Post by Pøœt B
It is a commandment of God not to commit murder.
Is this news to you?
Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
Please TRY to be specific.
Instead of just a general whine.
<No answer from you>
I expect no less.
How can I prove something that isn't there? Try reading the Bible
yourself. Thought you claimed to be a Christian and you've never read
it. That is right as a Catholic you only believe what the Pedo priest
tells you.
Post by Pøœt B
Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
Post by MattB
Though in the case of this question I was talking about a Churches
Dogma, Doctrine and traditions. Do they follow what Jesus taught
without adding beliefs not supported by those teachings.
Yup.
Next question.
You didn't give a answer.
What is the question?
The RCC doesn't murder anyone.
Some terrorists within the RCC may have murdered people.
Murder is never proper - in any case.
It is a commandment of God not to commit murder.
Is this news to you?
Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
Post by MattB
Is there any Church that "Teaches" what Jesus taught without
unnecessary baggage Jesus did not mention?
That is what all churches attempt to teach.
I didn't ask for a Church that will "attempt" it. I asked was there
any that did.
Why?
Do you believe that there is a "PERFECT" church?
A church founded and in contact with Jesus would be. For one they
wouldn't name murdering scum as saints like this pig Francis did.
Post by Pøœt B
Is this what you are looking for?
Nothing is perfect.... except for God.
Next question.....
Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
However, when dorks get involved, someone must at least try to appease
them. For example.... Heaven and Hell. Pretty cut and dried,
correct? And also Baptism - another cut and dried doctrine.
Not infant Baptism.
Cut and dried.
The Catechism of the Catholic Church gives us the most important
Your Church is not God. Get over yourselves.
Post by Pøœt B
Born with a fallen human nature and tainted by original sin, children
also have need of the new birth in Baptism to be freed from the power
of darkness and brought into the realm of the freedom of the children
of God, to which all men are called. The sheer gratuitousness of the
grace of salvation is particularly manifest in infant baptism. The
Church and the parents would deny a child the priceless grace of
becoming a child of God were they not to confer Baptism shortly after
birth (CCC 1250).
Original sin is a reality from which each and every human person
desperately needs to be freed. Biblically speaking, Romans 5:12 is
Therefore as sin came into the world through one man and death through
sin, and so death spread to all men because all men sinned.
Even if nothing else was said in Scripture implying infant baptism, we
could conclude it to be necessary just from this simple fact: babies
need to have original sin removed from their souls.
Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
Until a whiner likes you demands - YES DEMANDS - to know what happens
to a baby who dies that was not baptised?
Jesus didn't baptize infants.
Who did Jesus baptize?
Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist and his disciples baptized
many, but Jesus did not baptize anyone.
OK Not sure if this is true or not.
Post by Pøœt B
Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
So, .... someone makes up an answer that will shut you up for a decade
or a century. Limbo is created for you and you alone.
Then another dork - like you - demands to know the judgment process
and whether or not serial killers and fat people can stand side by
side in heaven... Someone answers. And Purgatory is invented for you
and you alone.
Purgatory is a false doctrine
Purgatory is invented for you and you alone.
WOW I'm old I was around in 1100AD?
Post by Pøœt B
Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
+++ So.... What really is the truth about what God is and what God
wants.... Do you pretend to know? Since you demand answers, someone
will give you something palatable that you can buy into.
But, you will never understand the essence of God, the purpose of
creation, or why we should be nice to each other.
Society needs order for it to thrive.
Someone must try to give us that order that will be kind to all
members of society who follow the rules.
Jesus gave few rules Churches add to them.
Society needs order for it to thrive.
Don't need them applied to Salvation.
Post by Pøœt B
Someone must try to give us that order that will be kind to all
members of society who follow the rules.
Governments do that and when the RCC was government was called the
Dark ages for a reason EVIL was what it was.
Post by Pøœt B
Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
And so, life goes on.
I prefer to live in an ordered society where everyone is equal.
Everyone should have the same opportunities to thrive. Religion gives
us this thing - in many cases. Until some evil dork decides he needs
more power that everyone else. Then we revert back to Cain and Abel.
Where we started.
In Jesus time that was done by governments.
Society needs order for it to thrive.
Someone must try to give us that order that will be kind to all
members of society who follow the rules.
Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
Let us support those organizations that support equality, fairness,
honesty, good works, and humility.
That laves out many Churches. The RCC for sure look at what the Pope
did in Chile.
What did the pope DO in Chile?
Please TRY to be specific.
Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
No one is perfect. No organization is perfect.
Look to belong to something that is the best for you and society.
No - you will never find a perfect one. But that doesn't mean you
should whine about something that tries to make things better.
Unless you are matty.
Pøœt B
2018-03-04 23:11:59 UTC
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Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
The RCC doesn't murder anyone.
Yet they have.
Who?
Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
Some terrorists within the RCC may have murdered people.
Yes RCC Pope's
Who?
Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
Murder is never proper - in any case.
Very true and neither was burning people alive or torturing them until
they confess. Your RCC was quite inventive with their torture
techniques.
Who?
Post by MattB
How can I prove something that isn't there? Try reading the Bible
yourself. Thought you claimed to be a Christian and you've never read
it. That is right as a Catholic you only believe what the Pedo priest
tells you.
Who?
Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
Post by MattB
Though in the case of this question I was talking about a Churches
Dogma, Doctrine and traditions. Do they follow what Jesus taught
without adding beliefs not supported by those teachings.
Yup.
Next question.
You didn't give a answer.
What is the question?
The RCC doesn't murder anyone.
Some terrorists within the RCC may have murdered people.
Murder is never proper - in any case.
It is a commandment of God not to commit murder.
Is this news to you?
It must be.
Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
Post by MattB
Is there any Church that "Teaches" what Jesus taught without
unnecessary baggage Jesus did not mention?
That is what all churches attempt to teach.
I didn't ask for a Church that will "attempt" it. I asked was there
any that did.
Why?
Do you believe that there is a "PERFECT" church?
A church founded and in contact with Jesus would be. For one they
wouldn't name murdering scum as saints like this pig Francis did.
Do you believe that there is a "PERFECT" church?
Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
Is this what you are looking for?
Nothing is perfect.... except for God.
Next question.....
Next question...
Post by MattB
Your Church is not God. Get over yourselves.
Never claimed it was.
Next question...
Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
Post by MattB
Jesus didn't baptize infants.
Who did Jesus baptize?
Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist and his disciples baptized
many, but Jesus did not baptize anyone.
OK Not sure if this is true or not.
Post by Pøœt B
Post by MattB
Purgatory is a false doctrine
Purgatory is invented for you and you alone.
WOW I'm old I was around in 1100AD?
There really is no difference between you and the other dorks who try
to be clever when they ask stupid questions.
Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
+++ So.... What really is the truth about what God is and what God
wants.... Do you pretend to know? Since you demand answers, someone
will give you something palatable that you can buy into.
But, you will never understand the essence of God, the purpose of
creation, or why we should be nice to each other.
Society needs order for it to thrive.
Someone must try to give us that order that will be kind to all
members of society who follow the rules.
Jesus gave few rules Churches add to them.
Society needs order for it to thrive.
Don't need them applied to Salvation.
I didn't make that claim.
Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
Someone must try to give us that order that will be kind to all
members of society who follow the rules.
Governments do that and when the RCC was government was called the
Dark ages for a reason EVIL was what it was.
Someone must try to give us that order that will be kind to all
members of society who follow the rules.
Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
Society needs order for it to thrive.
Someone must try to give us that order that will be kind to all
members of society who follow the rules.
Post by MattB
That laves out many Churches. The RCC for sure look at what the Pope
did in Chile.
What did the pope DO in Chile?
Please TRY to be specific.
Another lie with absolutely no evidence.
matty - fer shure.
MattB
2018-03-04 04:13:34 UTC
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Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
Post by MattB
The Bible teaches that salvation does
not require a Church this I know.
prove it, pedo-lover.
Patrick Barker I thought I had told you to go into the corner and shut
up.
No where did Jesus say it was required.
But he did say that where ever two or more of you are gathered in His
name, he will be in the midst of thee. He also said not to neglect to
come together in His name.
Yes he did but neither say a Church is required. A man and wife is
all that is needed for the above.

So no Church required still stands.
Pøœt B
2018-03-04 13:54:28 UTC
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Post by MattB
Post by R☼d
Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
Post by MattB
The Bible teaches that salvation does
not require a Church this I know.
prove it, pedo-lover.
Patrick Barker I thought I had told you to go into the corner and shut
up.
No where did Jesus say it was required.
But he did say that where ever two or more of you are gathered in His
name, he will be in the midst of thee. He also said not to neglect to
come together in His name.
Yes he did but neither say a Church is required. A man and wife is
all that is needed for the above.
So no Church required still stands.
Man is imperfect. He needs guidance.
Except for you who feel you are above the law, above the fray, and
want to be all powerful and dictate what you think is right and just.
MattB
2018-03-04 21:48:28 UTC
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Post by Pøœt B
Post by MattB
Post by R☼d
Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
Post by MattB
The Bible teaches that salvation does
not require a Church this I know.
prove it, pedo-lover.
Patrick Barker I thought I had told you to go into the corner and shut
up.
No where did Jesus say it was required.
But he did say that where ever two or more of you are gathered in His
name, he will be in the midst of thee. He also said not to neglect to
come together in His name.
Yes he did but neither say a Church is required. A man and wife is
all that is needed for the above.
So no Church required still stands.
Man is imperfect. He needs guidance.
Are you a Scientologist? They give guidance but I reject there
teachings like I do that of the RCC. In fact there are several
practices the RCC and Scientology share such as the practice of "Fair
Game"
Post by Pøœt B
Except for you who feel you are above the law, above the fray, and
want to be all powerful and dictate what you think is right and just.
No Church has such power anymore.

Thanks God your RCC lost it's power if you were still in power it
might still be a heresy to say the world isn't flat or people who make
medicine are witches or servant's of Satan.
Pøœt B
2018-03-04 23:14:22 UTC
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Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
Post by MattB
Post by R☼d
Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
Post by MattB
The Bible teaches that salvation does
not require a Church this I know.
prove it, pedo-lover.
Patrick Barker I thought I had told you to go into the corner and shut
up.
No where did Jesus say it was required.
But he did say that where ever two or more of you are gathered in His
name, he will be in the midst of thee. He also said not to neglect to
come together in His name.
Yes he did but neither say a Church is required. A man and wife is
all that is needed for the above.
So no Church required still stands.
Man is imperfect. He needs guidance.
Are you a Scientologist?
Nope. I am a Roman Catholic, a practicing Roman Catholic.
Post by MattB
They give guidance but I reject there
teachings like I do that of the RCC.
Do you mean "THEIR" teachings?
Every organization gives their guidance.
Including the RCC, IBM, and WalMart.
You should know that.
Post by MattB
In fact there are several
practices the RCC and Scientology share such as the practice of "Fair
Game"
Never heard of it.
Pøœt B
2018-03-04 01:28:12 UTC
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Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
Post by MattB
The Bible teaches that salvation does
not require a Church this I know.
prove it, pedo-lover.
Patrick Barker I thought I had told you to go into the corner and shut
up.
No where did Jesus say it was required.
You made a claim: "The Bible teaches...."
You are a liar.
The Bible does no such thing.
Just another lie from the pedo lover.
Robert
2018-03-04 03:00:58 UTC
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Post by Pøœt B
Post by MattB
The Bible teaches that salvation does
not require a Church this I know.
prove it, pedo-lover.
Patrick Barker I thought I had told you to go into the corner and shut
up.
No where did Jesus say it was required.
You made a claim: "The Bible teaches...."
You are a liar.
The Bible does no such thing.
Just another lie from the pedo lover.
Deeds / works cannot save.

Rom 3:28  Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith
without the deeds of the law.

Gal 3:11  But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God,
it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

By Faith we are saved, no mention anywhere of the necessity of any
church for salvation. One cannot be a member of the church without
being saved./

Rom 5:1  Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God
through our Lord Jesus Christ:
Rom 5:2  By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein
we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

And here, wrapped up tight by the Lord for your benefit.

Eph 2:8  For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not
of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 
Eph 2:9  not of works, lest anyone should boast. 

You have read all this before, and you know you have, so your
harassment of Matt is uncalled for.
Pøœt B
2018-03-04 13:56:28 UTC
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Post by Pøœt B
Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
Post by MattB
The Bible teaches that salvation does
not require a Church this I know.
prove it, pedo-lover.
Patrick Barker I thought I had told you to go into the corner and shut
up.
No where did Jesus say it was required.
You made a claim: "The Bible teaches...."
You are a liar.
The Bible does no such thing.
Just another lie from the pedo lover.
Deeds / works cannot save.
shaddup, robt.
If you cannot add to a discussion, stay out of it.
The discussion is about if the Bible teaches that a church is not
required. I claim the bible says no such thing.
Try to keep up.
Robert
2018-03-04 18:44:27 UTC
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Post by Pøœt B
Post by Robert
Post by Pøœt B
Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
Post by MattB
The Bible teaches that salvation does
not require a Church this I know.
prove it, pedo-lover.
Patrick Barker I thought I had told you to go into the corner and shut
up.
No where did Jesus say it was required.
You made a claim: "The Bible teaches...."
You are a liar.
The Bible does no such thing.
Just another lie from the pedo lover.
Deeds / works cannot save.
shaddup, robt.
If you cannot add to a discussion, stay out of it.
The discussion is about if the Bible teaches that a church is not
required. I claim the bible says no such thing.
Try to keep up.
Deeds / works cannot save.

Rom 3:28  Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith
without the deeds of the law.

Gal 3:11  But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God,
it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
***************************
By Faith we are saved, no mention anywhere of the necessity of any
church for salvation. One cannot be a member of the church without
being saved./
****************************
Rom 5:1  Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God
through our Lord Jesus Christ:
Rom 5:2  By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein
we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
**************************************
And here, wrapped up tight by the Lord for your benefit.
**************************************
Eph 2:8  For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not
of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 
Eph 2:9  not of works, lest anyone should boast. 

You have read all this before, and you know you have, so your
harassment of Matt is uncalled for.
Pøœt B
2018-03-04 19:14:01 UTC
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Post by Robert
Post by Pøœt B
Post by Robert
Post by Pøœt B
Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
Post by MattB
The Bible teaches that salvation does
not require a Church this I know.
prove it, pedo-lover.
Patrick Barker I thought I had told you to go into the corner and shut
up.
No where did Jesus say it was required.
You made a claim: "The Bible teaches...."
You are a liar.
The Bible does no such thing.
Just another lie from the pedo lover.
Deeds / works cannot save.
shaddup, robt.
If you cannot add to a discussion, stay out of it.
The discussion is about if the Bible teaches that a church is not
required. I claim the bible says no such thing.
Try to keep up.
Deeds / works cannot save.
Rom 3:28  Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith
without the deeds of the law.
Either you are stupid, or hard headed, or just can't understand plain
English. Your little quote does NOT claim that the Bible teaches that
a church is not required.
Do try to keep up.
Post by Robert
Gal 3:11  But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God,
it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
Either you are stupid, or hard headed, or just can't understand plain
English. Your little quote does NOT claim that the Bible teaches that
a church is not required.
Do try to keep up.
Post by Robert
By Faith we are saved, no mention anywhere of the necessity of any
church for salvation. One cannot be a member of the church without
being saved./
Either you are stupid, or hard headed, or just can't understand plain
English. Your little quote does NOT claim that the Bible teaches that
a church is not required.
Do try to keep up.
Post by Robert
You have read all this before, and you know you have, so your
harassment of Matt is uncalled for.
Tell matty to stop making claims about what the bible teaches.... when
it does no such thing.
However, I understand why you defend matty.
You Either are stupid, or hard headed, or just can't understand plain
English. Your little quote does NOT claim that the Bible teaches that
a church is not required.
Do try to keep up.
Robert
2018-03-04 20:27:10 UTC
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Post by Pøœt B
Post by Robert
Post by Pøœt B
Post by Robert
Post by Pøœt B
Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
Post by MattB
The Bible teaches that salvation does
not require a Church this I know.
prove it, pedo-lover.
Patrick Barker I thought I had told you to go into the corner and shut
up.
No where did Jesus say it was required.
You made a claim: "The Bible teaches...."
You are a liar.
The Bible does no such thing.
Just another lie from the pedo lover.
Deeds / works cannot save.
shaddup, robt.
If you cannot add to a discussion, stay out of it.
The discussion is about if the Bible teaches that a church is not
required. I claim the bible says no such thing.
Try to keep up.
Deeds / works cannot save.
Rom 3:28  Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith
without the deeds of the law.
Either you are stupid, or hard headed, or just can't understand plain
English. Your little quote does NOT claim that the Bible teaches that
a church is not required.
Do try to keep up.
Post by Robert
Gal 3:11  But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God,
it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
Either you are stupid, or hard headed, or just can't understand plain
English. Your little quote does NOT claim that the Bible teaches that
a church is not required.
Do try to keep up.
Post by Robert
By Faith we are saved, no mention anywhere of the necessity of any
church for salvation. One cannot be a member of the church without
being saved./
Either you are stupid, or hard headed, or just can't understand plain
English. Your little quote does NOT claim that the Bible teaches that
a church is not required.
Do try to keep up.
Post by Robert
You have read all this before, and you know you have, so your
harassment of Matt is uncalled for.
Tell matty to stop making claims about what the bible teaches.... when
it does no such thing.
However, I understand why you defend matty.
You Either are stupid, or hard headed, or just can't understand plain
English. Your little quote does NOT claim that the Bible teaches that
a church is not required.
It teaches by faith are you saved and that excludes all other forms.
Jesus said "I am the way, etc." which excludes any church.
Post by Pøœt B
Do try to keep up.
Don't be left behind.
Pøœt B
2018-03-04 21:57:49 UTC
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Post by Robert
Post by Pøœt B
Post by Robert
Post by Pøœt B
Post by Robert
Post by Pøœt B
Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
Post by MattB
The Bible teaches that salvation does
not require a Church this I know.
prove it, pedo-lover.
Patrick Barker I thought I had told you to go into the corner and shut
up.
No where did Jesus say it was required.
You made a claim: "The Bible teaches...."
You are a liar.
The Bible does no such thing.
Just another lie from the pedo lover.
Deeds / works cannot save.
shaddup, robt.
If you cannot add to a discussion, stay out of it.
The discussion is about if the Bible teaches that a church is not
required. I claim the bible says no such thing.
Try to keep up.
Deeds / works cannot save.
Rom 3:28  Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith
without the deeds of the law.
Either you are stupid, or hard headed, or just can't understand plain
English. Your little quote does NOT claim that the Bible teaches that
a church is not required.
Do try to keep up.
It teaches by faith are you saved and that excludes all other forms.
Jesus said "I am the way, etc." which excludes any church.
Post by Pøœt B
Do try to keep up.
Don't be left behind.
Either you are stupid, or hard headed, or just can't understand plain
English. Your little quote does NOT claim that the Bible teaches that
a church is not required.
Do try to keep up.
Robert
2018-03-04 23:15:09 UTC
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Post by Robert
Post by Pøœt B
Post by Robert
Post by Pøœt B
Post by Robert
Post by Pøœt B
Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
Post by MattB
The Bible teaches that salvation does
not require a Church this I know.
prove it, pedo-lover.
Patrick Barker I thought I had told you to go into the corner and shut
up.
No where did Jesus say it was required.
You made a claim: "The Bible teaches...."
You are a liar.
The Bible does no such thing.
Just another lie from the pedo lover.
Deeds / works cannot save.
shaddup, robt.
If you cannot add to a discussion, stay out of it.
The discussion is about if the Bible teaches that a church is not
required. I claim the bible says no such thing.
Try to keep up.
Deeds / works cannot save.
Rom 3:28  Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith
without the deeds of the law.
Either you are stupid, or hard headed, or just can't understand plain
English. Your little quote does NOT claim that the Bible teaches that
a church is not required.
Do try to keep up.
It teaches by faith are you saved and that excludes all other forms.
Jesus said "I am the way, etc." which excludes any church.
Post by Pøœt B
Do try to keep up.
Don't be left behind.
Either you are stupid, or hard headed, or just can't understand plain
English. Your little quote does NOT claim that the Bible teaches that
a church is not required.
Do try to keep up.
I cannot help your denseness, but the Lord can.
MattB
2018-03-04 04:28:23 UTC
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Post by Pøœt B
Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
Post by MattB
The Bible teaches that salvation does
not require a Church this I know.
prove it, pedo-lover.
Patrick Barker I thought I had told you to go into the corner and shut
up.
No where did Jesus say it was required.
You made a claim: "The Bible teaches...."
You are a liar.
Then you should be able to provide evidence of Jesus saying a Church
such as RCC or Baptist is?
Post by Pøœt B
The Bible does no such thing.
Does it say a Church is required if so where?
Post by Pøœt B
Just another lie from the pedo lover.
Proverbs 19:9
A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who breathes out lies
will perish.

Patrick Barker isn't it just sick you commit false witness and Calumny
to defend pedophiles within the RCC and also to defend those that
covered it up as you are one.

You did not answer my question. Is there a Church that follows the
teachings of Jesus without unnecessary baggage?
Pøœt B
2018-03-04 13:58:59 UTC
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Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
Post by MattB
The Bible teaches that salvation does
not require a Church this I know.
prove it, pedo-lover.
Patrick Barker I thought I had told you to go into the corner and shut
up.
No where did Jesus say it was required.
You made a claim: "The Bible teaches...."
You are a liar.
Then you should be able to provide evidence of Jesus saying a Church
such as RCC or Baptist is?
Why would I? Why should I?

You made the stupid statement.
I am telling you to back it up.
or shaddup.
Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
The Bible does no such thing.
Does it say a Church is required if so where?
No. I never made the claim.
You made the stupid statement.
I am telling you to back it up.
or shaddup.
Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
Just another lie from the pedo lover.
Patrick Barker isn't it just sick you commit false witness and Calumny
to defend pedophiles within the RCC and also to defend those that
covered it up as you are one.
You did not answer my question. Is there a Church that follows the
teachings of Jesus without unnecessary baggage?
Did your mum ever punish you for what you did to your childhood pet?
Yes or No.

Come up with legitimate questions.
Or not.
You are wasting my time.
MattB
2018-03-04 21:48:57 UTC
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Post by Pøœt B
Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
Post by MattB
The Bible teaches that salvation does
not require a Church this I know.
prove it, pedo-lover.
Patrick Barker I thought I had told you to go into the corner and shut
up.
No where did Jesus say it was required.
You made a claim: "The Bible teaches...."
You are a liar.
Then you should be able to provide evidence of Jesus saying a Church
such as RCC or Baptist is?
Why would I? Why should I?
You made the stupid statement.
I am telling you to back it up.
or shaddup.
You want me to prove Jesus did not say something? Go read the Bible
and you will see he did not.
Post by Pøœt B
Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
The Bible does no such thing.
Does it say a Church is required if so where?
No. I never made the claim.
You made the stupid statement.
I am telling you to back it up.
or shaddup.
Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
Just another lie from the pedo lover.
Patrick Barker isn't it just sick you commit false witness and Calumny
to defend pedophiles within the RCC and also to defend those that
covered it up as you are one.
You did not answer my question. Is there a Church that follows the
teachings of Jesus without unnecessary baggage?
Did your mum ever punish you for what you did to your childhood pet?
Yes or No.
YAWN.

Did Beverly ever punish you for what you did to Melissa and Melanie
and now Kaan?
Post by Pøœt B
Come up with legitimate questions.
Or not.
You are wasting my time.
There is this thing called a killfile.
Pøœt B
2018-03-04 23:17:56 UTC
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Post by Pøœt B
Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
Post by MattB
The Bible teaches that salvation does
not require a Church this I know.
prove it, pedo-lover.
Patrick Barker I thought I had told you to go into the corner and shut
up.
No where did Jesus say it was required.
You made a claim: "The Bible teaches...."
You are a liar.
Then you should be able to provide evidence of Jesus saying a Church
such as RCC or Baptist is?
Why would I? Why should I?
You made the stupid statement.
I am telling you to back it up.
or shaddup.
You want me to prove Jesus did not say something?
Nope. That was not your claim.
You claimed that the Bible "TEACHES" that salvation does not require a
church.
Now - of course - I agree that we do not require a church to be saved.
But, the Bible does not say this at all.
You lied.
Post by MattB
Go read the Bible
and you will see he did not.
I never made the stupid claim.
You did.
Try to keep up.
Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
The Bible does no such thing.
Does it say a Church is required if so where?
No. I never made the claim.
You made the stupid statement.
I am telling you to back it up.
or shaddup.
Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
Just another lie from the pedo lover.
Patrick Barker isn't it just sick you commit false witness and Calumny
to defend pedophiles within the RCC and also to defend those that
covered it up as you are one.
You did not answer my question. Is there a Church that follows the
teachings of Jesus without unnecessary baggage?
Did your mum ever punish you for what you did to your childhood pet?
Yes or No.
YAWN.
Post by Pøœt B
Come up with legitimate questions.
Or not.
You are wasting my time.
There is this thing called a killfile.
Yes. And you whine every time I put you there in a corner for a
period of time.
R☼d
2018-03-04 02:05:30 UTC
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Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
Post by MattB
The Bible teaches that salvation does
not require a Church this I know.
prove it, pedo-lover.
Patrick Barker I thought I had told you to go into the corner and shut
up.
No where did Jesus say it was required.
You know..the first century Christians began meeting in one another's
homes because they were afraid to meet openly, and incur the hatred
of the jews and the contempt of the roman soldiers seeking them out.

The *believers* are the church, and if you are a believer then you are
also a part of the church, which is the body of Christ.
Robert
2018-03-04 03:03:48 UTC
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Post by R☼d
Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
Post by MattB
The Bible teaches that salvation does
not require a Church this I know.
prove it, pedo-lover.
Patrick Barker I thought I had told you to go into the corner and shut
up.
No where did Jesus say it was required.
You know..the first century Christians began meeting in one another's
homes because they were afraid to meet openly, and incur the hatred
of the jews and the contempt of the roman soldiers seeking them out.
They did meet in the Temple and synagogue's at one time until their
persecution by the Jews.
Post by R☼d
The *believers* are the church, and if you are a believer then you are
also a part of the church, which is the body of Christ.
Absolutely!
MattB
2018-03-04 05:10:04 UTC
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Post by Robert
Post by R☼d
Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
Post by MattB
The Bible teaches that salvation does
not require a Church this I know.
prove it, pedo-lover.
Patrick Barker I thought I had told you to go into the corner and shut
up.
No where did Jesus say it was required.
You know..the first century Christians began meeting in one another's
homes because they were afraid to meet openly, and incur the hatred
of the jews and the contempt of the roman soldiers seeking them out.
They did meet in the Temple and synagogue's at one time until their
persecution by the Jews.
Post by R☼d
The *believers* are the church, and if you are a believer then you are
also a part of the church, which is the body of Christ.
Absolutely!
I agree but that means none of the current organized Churches are
required.

No do you know of any that don't add unnecessary baggage to the
teachings of Jesus?
Robert
2018-03-04 05:24:07 UTC
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Post by Robert
Post by R☼d
Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
Post by MattB
The Bible teaches that salvation does
not require a Church this I know.
prove it, pedo-lover.
Patrick Barker I thought I had told you to go into the corner and shut
up.
No where did Jesus say it was required.
You know..the first century Christians began meeting in one another's
homes because they were afraid to meet openly, and incur the hatred
of the jews and the contempt of the roman soldiers seeking them out.
They did meet in the Temple and synagogue's at one time until their
persecution by the Jews.
Post by R☼d
The *believers* are the church, and if you are a believer then you are
also a part of the church, which is the body of Christ.
Absolutely!
I agree but that means none of the current organized Churches are
required.
No do you know of any that don't add unnecessary baggage to the
teachings of Jesus?
The one I listed earlier adds no baggage, and so far in
listening/watching the teachings appears to be right on. Fact is, they
speak in a quiet way against the baggage that has been added by some.
Pøœt B
2018-03-04 14:02:02 UTC
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Post by Robert
Post by MattB
Post by Robert
Post by R☼d
Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
Post by MattB
The Bible teaches that salvation does
not require a Church this I know.
prove it, pedo-lover.
Patrick Barker I thought I had told you to go into the corner and shut
up.
No where did Jesus say it was required.
You know..the first century Christians began meeting in one another's
homes because they were afraid to meet openly, and incur the hatred
of the jews and the contempt of the roman soldiers seeking them out.
They did meet in the Temple and synagogue's at one time until their
persecution by the Jews.
Post by R☼d
The *believers* are the church, and if you are a believer then you are
also a part of the church, which is the body of Christ.
Absolutely!
I agree but that means none of the current organized Churches are
required.
No do you know of any that don't add unnecessary baggage to the
teachings of Jesus?
The one I listed earlier adds no baggage, and so far in
listening/watching the teachings appears to be right on. Fact is, they
speak in a quiet way against the baggage that has been added by some.
OK, now we know that robt listed one. somewhere. somehow...
Robert
2018-03-04 18:40:01 UTC
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Post by Robert
Post by R☼d
Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
Post by MattB
The Bible teaches that salvation does
not require a Church this I know.
prove it, pedo-lover.
Patrick Barker I thought I had told you to go into the corner and shut
up.
No where did Jesus say it was required.
You know..the first century Christians began meeting in one another's
homes because they were afraid to meet openly, and incur the hatred
of the jews and the contempt of the roman soldiers seeking them out.
They did meet in the Temple and synagogue's at one time until their
persecution by the Jews.
Post by R☼d
The *believers* are the church, and if you are a believer then you are
also a part of the church, which is the body of Christ.
Absolutely!
I agree but that means none of the current organized Churches are
required.
No do you know of any that don't add unnecessary baggage to the
teachings of Jesus?
The one I listed earlier adds no baggage, and so far in
listening/watching the teachings appears to be right on. Fact is, they
speak in a quiet way against the baggage that has been added by some.
OK, now we know that robt listed one. somewhere. somehow...
It was in this thread, oh ignorant one.
Pøœt B
2018-03-04 19:15:18 UTC
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Post by R☼d
Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
Post by MattB
The Bible teaches that salvation does
not require a Church this I know.
prove it, pedo-lover.
Patrick Barker I thought I had told you to go into the corner and shut
up.
No where did Jesus say it was required.
You know..the first century Christians began meeting in one another's
homes because they were afraid to meet openly, and incur the hatred
of the jews and the contempt of the roman soldiers seeking them out.
They did meet in the Temple and synagogue's at one time until their
persecution by the Jews.
Post by R☼d
The *believers* are the church, and if you are a believer then you are
also a part of the church, which is the body of Christ.
Absolutely!
I agree but that means none of the current organized Churches are
required.
No do you know of any that don't add unnecessary baggage to the
teachings of Jesus?
The one I listed earlier adds no baggage, and so far in
listening/watching the teachings appears to be right on. Fact is, they
speak in a quiet way against the baggage that has been added by some.
OK, now we know that robt listed one. somewhere. somehow...
It was in this thread, oh ignorant one.
I don't look back.
I live in the present.
If you wish to make a point, please try to be coherent.
Robert
2018-03-04 20:28:11 UTC
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Post by Pøœt B
Post by Robert
Post by MattB
Post by Robert
Post by R☼d
Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
Post by MattB
The Bible teaches that salvation does
not require a Church this I know.
prove it, pedo-lover.
Patrick Barker I thought I had told you to go into the corner and shut
up.
No where did Jesus say it was required.
You know..the first century Christians began meeting in one another's
homes because they were afraid to meet openly, and incur the hatred
of the jews and the contempt of the roman soldiers seeking them out.
They did meet in the Temple and synagogue's at one time until their
persecution by the Jews.
Post by R☼d
The *believers* are the church, and if you are a believer then you are
also a part of the church, which is the body of Christ.
Absolutely!
I agree but that means none of the current organized Churches are
required.
No do you know of any that don't add unnecessary baggage to the
teachings of Jesus?
The one I listed earlier adds no baggage, and so far in
listening/watching the teachings appears to be right on. Fact is, they
speak in a quiet way against the baggage that has been added by some.
OK, now we know that robt listed one. somewhere. somehow...
It was in this thread, oh ignorant one.
I don't look back.
I live in the present.
If you wish to make a point, please try to be coherent.
I made the point, you could not keep up, your failure.
Pøœt B
2018-03-04 21:58:48 UTC
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Post by Robert
Post by R☼d
Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
Post by MattB
The Bible teaches that salvation does
not require a Church this I know.
prove it, pedo-lover.
Patrick Barker I thought I had told you to go into the corner and shut
up.
No where did Jesus say it was required.
You know..the first century Christians began meeting in one another's
homes because they were afraid to meet openly, and incur the hatred
of the jews and the contempt of the roman soldiers seeking them out.
They did meet in the Temple and synagogue's at one time until their
persecution by the Jews.
Post by R☼d
The *believers* are the church, and if you are a believer then you are
also a part of the church, which is the body of Christ.
Absolutely!
I agree but that means none of the current organized Churches are
required.
No do you know of any that don't add unnecessary baggage to the
teachings of Jesus?
The one I listed earlier adds no baggage, and so far in
listening/watching the teachings appears to be right on. Fact is, they
speak in a quiet way against the baggage that has been added by some.
OK, now we know that robt listed one. somewhere. somehow...
It was in this thread, oh ignorant one.
I don't look back.
I live in the present.
If you wish to make a point, please try to be coherent.
I made the point, you could not keep up, your failure.
OK.
I don't do your homework for you.
Robert
2018-03-04 23:06:47 UTC
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Post by Pøœt B
Post by MattB
The Bible teaches that salvation does
not require a Church this I know.
prove it, pedo-lover.
Patrick Barker I thought I had told you to go into the corner and shut
up.
No where did Jesus say it was required.
You know..the first century Christians began meeting in one another's
homes because they were afraid to meet openly, and incur the hatred
of the jews and the contempt of the roman soldiers seeking them out.
They did meet in the Temple and synagogue's at one time until their
persecution by the Jews.
Post by R☼d
The *believers* are the church, and if you are a believer then you are
also a part of the church, which is the body of Christ.
Absolutely!
I agree but that means none of the current organized Churches are
required.
No do you know of any that don't add unnecessary baggage to the
teachings of Jesus?
The one I listed earlier adds no baggage, and so far in
listening/watching the teachings appears to be right on. Fact is, they
speak in a quiet way against the baggage that has been added by some.
OK, now we know that robt listed one. somewhere. somehow...
It was in this thread, oh ignorant one.
I don't look back.
I live in the present.
If you wish to make a point, please try to be coherent.
I made the point, you could not keep up, your failure.
OK.
I don't do your homework for you.
That makes no sense, please don't bother trying to clean it up.
MattB
2018-03-04 21:01:32 UTC
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Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
Post by MattB
The Bible teaches that salvation does
not require a Church this I know.
prove it, pedo-lover.
Patrick Barker I thought I had told you to go into the corner and shut
up.
No where did Jesus say it was required.
You know..the first century Christians began meeting in one another's
homes because they were afraid to meet openly, and incur the hatred
of the jews and the contempt of the roman soldiers seeking them out.
They did meet in the Temple and synagogue's at one time until their
persecution by the Jews.
Post by R☼d
The *believers* are the church, and if you are a believer then you are
also a part of the church, which is the body of Christ.
Absolutely!
I agree but that means none of the current organized Churches are
required.
No do you know of any that don't add unnecessary baggage to the
teachings of Jesus?
The one I listed earlier adds no baggage, and so far in
listening/watching the teachings appears to be right on. Fact is, they
speak in a quiet way against the baggage that has been added by some.
OK, now we know that robt listed one. somewhere. somehow...
It was in this thread, oh ignorant one.
I don't look back.
I live in the present.
LOL
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If you wish to make a point, please try to be coherent.
MattB
2018-03-04 21:49:14 UTC
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Post by MattB
The Bible teaches that salvation does
not require a Church this I know.
prove it, pedo-lover.
Patrick Barker I thought I had told you to go into the corner and shut
up.
No where did Jesus say it was required.
You know..the first century Christians began meeting in one another's
homes because they were afraid to meet openly, and incur the hatred
of the jews and the contempt of the roman soldiers seeking them out.
They did meet in the Temple and synagogue's at one time until their
persecution by the Jews.
Post by R☼d
The *believers* are the church, and if you are a believer then you are
also a part of the church, which is the body of Christ.
Absolutely!
I agree but that means none of the current organized Churches are
required.
No do you know of any that don't add unnecessary baggage to the
teachings of Jesus?
The one I listed earlier adds no baggage, and so far in
listening/watching the teachings appears to be right on. Fact is, they
speak in a quiet way against the baggage that has been added by some.
Victory Life Church? Book marked the site. They don't have a branch
here. Think the best way without going to this church to check out
it's message is to follow it's 4 step course and see what they teach.
Robert
2018-03-04 23:12:08 UTC
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Post by MattB
The Bible teaches that salvation does
not require a Church this I know.
prove it, pedo-lover.
Patrick Barker I thought I had told you to go into the corner and shut
up.
No where did Jesus say it was required.
You know..the first century Christians began meeting in one another's
homes because they were afraid to meet openly, and incur the hatred
of the jews and the contempt of the roman soldiers seeking them out.
They did meet in the Temple and synagogue's at one time until their
persecution by the Jews.
Post by R☼d
The *believers* are the church, and if you are a believer then you are
also a part of the church, which is the body of Christ.
Absolutely!
I agree but that means none of the current organized Churches are
required.
No do you know of any that don't add unnecessary baggage to the
teachings of Jesus?
The one I listed earlier adds no baggage, and so far in
listening/watching the teachings appears to be right on. Fact is, they
speak in a quiet way against the baggage that has been added by some.
Victory Life Church? Book marked the site. They don't have a branch
here. Think the best way without going to this church to check out
it's message is to follow it's 4 step course and see what they teach.
I never saw that part of it, I just went to the latest series and
watched a few of them.

There are none around here either.

Be interested in hearing what you think if you should check it out.
Pøœt B
2018-03-04 23:22:25 UTC
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Post by MattB
The Bible teaches that salvation does
not require a Church this I know.
prove it, pedo-lover.
Patrick Barker I thought I had told you to go into the corner and shut
up.
No where did Jesus say it was required.
You know..the first century Christians began meeting in one another's
homes because they were afraid to meet openly, and incur the hatred
of the jews and the contempt of the roman soldiers seeking them out.
They did meet in the Temple and synagogue's at one time until their
persecution by the Jews.
Post by R☼d
The *believers* are the church, and if you are a believer then you are
also a part of the church, which is the body of Christ.
Absolutely!
I agree but that means none of the current organized Churches are
required.
No do you know of any that don't add unnecessary baggage to the
teachings of Jesus?
The one I listed earlier adds no baggage, and so far in
listening/watching the teachings appears to be right on. Fact is, they
speak in a quiet way against the baggage that has been added by some.
Victory Life Church? Book marked the site. They don't have a branch
here. Think the best way without going to this church to check out
it's message is to follow it's 4 step course and see what they teach.
We have a victory life center.
And a victory christian center.
In Dayton.

I see a Victory Life Church in CO, TX, and maybe OK.
I wonder if any of them teach the same crap?
probably not.
MattB
2018-03-04 04:26:51 UTC
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Post by MattB
The Bible teaches that salvation does
not require a Church this I know.
prove it, pedo-lover.
Patrick Barker I thought I had told you to go into the corner and shut
up.
No where did Jesus say it was required.
You know..the first century Christians began meeting in one another's
homes because they were afraid to meet openly, and incur the hatred
of the jews and the contempt of the roman soldiers seeking them out.
The *believers* are the church, and if you are a believer then you are
also a part of the church, which is the body of Christ.
This I can except and those that believe are tied together no matter
where they are and still no organized Church is required.
Pøœt B
2018-03-04 14:06:46 UTC
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Post by R☼d
Post by MattB
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Post by MattB
The Bible teaches that salvation does
not require a Church this I know.
prove it, pedo-lover.
Patrick Barker I thought I had told you to go into the corner and shut
up.
No where did Jesus say it was required.
You know..the first century Christians began meeting in one another's
homes because they were afraid to meet openly, and incur the hatred
of the jews and the contempt of the roman soldiers seeking them out.
The *believers* are the church, and if you are a believer then you are
also a part of the church, which is the body of Christ.
This I can except
+ Do you mean "ACCEPT"?
And you claim you have a high school diploma.
Post by MattB
and those that believe are tied together no matter
where they are and still no organized Church is required.
Of course no organized church is required.
because you said so.
This way you can make up your own doctrines and dogmas.
And you can interpret the bible anyway you like.

The Council of Nicaea called by the Emperor Constantine met in 325
C.E. to establish a unified Catholic Church. At that point no
universally sanctioned Scriptures or Christian Bible existed. Various
churches and officials adopted different texts and gospels. That’s why
the Council of Hippo sanctioned 27 books for the New Testament in 393
C.E. Four years later the Council of Cartage confirmed the same 27
books as the authoritative Scriptures of the Church.

Do you want to call yourself a Christian?
Why?

This is an important question for you to answer.
What makes you think you know more than thousands of Bibllical
scholars who came before you? Why do you feel that you can interpret
one language into another? Why are you so powerful?
MattB
2018-03-04 21:49:55 UTC
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Post by MattB
The Bible teaches that salvation does
not require a Church this I know.
prove it, pedo-lover.
Patrick Barker I thought I had told you to go into the corner and shut
up.
No where did Jesus say it was required.
You know..the first century Christians began meeting in one another's
homes because they were afraid to meet openly, and incur the hatred
of the jews and the contempt of the roman soldiers seeking them out.
The *believers* are the church, and if you are a believer then you are
also a part of the church, which is the body of Christ.
This I can except
+ Do you mean "ACCEPT"?
And you claim you have a high school diploma.
YAWN. You are so much like a hard core Hillary supporter.
Post by Pøœt B
Post by MattB
and those that believe are tied together no matter
where they are and still no organized Church is required.
Of course no organized church is required.
because you said so.
You can't show where Jesus said it was. Those that believe are his
Church no matter what the Building says.
Post by Pøœt B
This way you can make up your own doctrines and dogmas.
And you can interpret the bible anyway you like.
That is what the RCC did and does. Toke your, Purgatory was invented
by the RCC around 1100 to 1200 AD. Took the RCC 300 years to do
infant Baptism thought they copied that from Pagans. Do I need go on?
Post by Pøœt B
The Council of Nicaea called by the Emperor Constantine met in 325
C.E. to establish a unified Catholic Church. At that point no
universally sanctioned Scriptures or Christian Bible existed. Various
churches and officials adopted different texts and gospels. That’s why
the Council of Hippo sanctioned 27 books for the New Testament in 393
C.E. Four years later the Council of Cartage confirmed the same 27
books as the authoritative Scriptures of the Church.
Right he had a army and to disagree was to die. You called
disagreement heresy.
Post by Pøœt B
Do you want to call yourself a Christian?
Why?
This is an important question for you to answer.
What makes you think you know more than thousands of Bibllical
scholars who came before you? Why do you feel that you can interpret
one language into another? Why are you so powerful?
I'm not powerful. I ask questions Patrick Barker freaks out. Guess
Patrick Barker was born knowing everything???
Pøœt B
2018-03-04 23:25:33 UTC
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not require a Church this I know.
prove it, pedo-lover.
Patrick Barker I thought I had told you to go into the corner and shut
up.
No where did Jesus say it was required.
You know..the first century Christians began meeting in one another's
homes because they were afraid to meet openly, and incur the hatred
of the jews and the contempt of the roman soldiers seeking them out.
The *believers* are the church, and if you are a believer then you are
also a part of the church, which is the body of Christ.
This I can except
+ Do you mean "ACCEPT"?
And you claim you have a high school diploma.
YAWN. You are so much like a hard core Hillary supporter.
Why?
Do they have high school diploma's also?
Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
Post by MattB
and those that believe are tied together no matter
where they are and still no organized Church is required.
Of course no organized church is required.
because you said so.
You can't show where Jesus said it was. Those that believe are his
Church no matter what the Building says.
I never made the claim.
You did.
Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
This way you can make up your own doctrines and dogmas.
And you can interpret the bible anyway you like.
That is what the RCC did and does. Toke your, Purgatory was invented
by the RCC around 1100 to 1200 AD. Took the RCC 300 years to do
infant Baptism thought they copied that from Pagans. Do I need go on?
Sure.
Please use references though.
I hate it when you lie, and I have to correct you EVERY SINGLE TIME.
Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
The Council of Nicaea called by the Emperor Constantine met in 325
C.E. to establish a unified Catholic Church. At that point no
universally sanctioned Scriptures or Christian Bible existed. Various
churches and officials adopted different texts and gospels. That’s why
the Council of Hippo sanctioned 27 books for the New Testament in 393
C.E. Four years later the Council of Cartage confirmed the same 27
books as the authoritative Scriptures of the Church.
Right he had a army and to disagree was to die. You called
disagreement heresy.
prove it.
Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
Do you want to call yourself a Christian?
Why?
This is an important question for you to answer.
What makes you think you know more than thousands of Bibllical
scholars who came before you? Why do you feel that you can interpret
one language into another? Why are you so powerful?
I'm not powerful. I ask questions Patrick Barker freaks out. Guess
Patrick Barker was born knowing everything???
Do you want to call yourself a Christian?
Why?
MattB
2018-03-04 23:57:39 UTC
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The Bible teaches that salvation does
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not require a Church this I know.
prove it, pedo-lover.
Patrick Barker I thought I had told you to go into the corner and shut
up.
No where did Jesus say it was required.
You know..the first century Christians began meeting in one another's
homes because they were afraid to meet openly, and incur the hatred
of the jews and the contempt of the roman soldiers seeking them out.
The *believers* are the church, and if you are a believer then you are
also a part of the church, which is the body of Christ.
This I can except
+ Do you mean "ACCEPT"?
And you claim you have a high school diploma.
YAWN. You are so much like a hard core Hillary supporter.
Why?
Do they have high school diploma's also?
Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
Post by MattB
and those that believe are tied together no matter
where they are and still no organized Church is required.
Of course no organized church is required.
because you said so.
You can't show where Jesus said it was. Those that believe are his
Church no matter what the Building says.
I never made the claim.
You did.
Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
This way you can make up your own doctrines and dogmas.
And you can interpret the bible anyway you like.
That is what the RCC did and does. Toke your, Purgatory was invented
by the RCC around 1100 to 1200 AD. Took the RCC 300 years to do
infant Baptism thought they copied that from Pagans. Do I need go on?
Sure.
Please use references though.
I hate it when you lie, and I have to correct you EVERY SINGLE TIME.
Pick up a history book or even the Catholic Encyclopedia.
Post by Pøœt B
Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
The Council of Nicaea called by the Emperor Constantine met in 325
C.E. to establish a unified Catholic Church. At that point no
universally sanctioned Scriptures or Christian Bible existed. Various
churches and officials adopted different texts and gospels. That’s why
the Council of Hippo sanctioned 27 books for the New Testament in 393
C.E. Four years later the Council of Cartage confirmed the same 27
books as the authoritative Scriptures of the Church.
Right he had a army and to disagree was to die. You called
disagreement heresy.
prove it.
Read a history book.
Post by Pøœt B
Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
Do you want to call yourself a Christian?
Why?
This is an important question for you to answer.
What makes you think you know more than thousands of Bibllical
scholars who came before you? Why do you feel that you can interpret
one language into another? Why are you so powerful?
I'm not powerful. I ask questions Patrick Barker freaks out. Guess
Patrick Barker was born knowing everything???
Do you want to call yourself a Christian?
Why?
Pøœt B
2018-03-04 14:00:45 UTC
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Post by MattB
Post by Pøœt B
Post by MattB
The Bible teaches that salvation does
not require a Church this I know.
prove it, pedo-lover.
Patrick Barker I thought I had told you to go into the corner and shut
up.
No where did Jesus say it was required.
You know..the first century Christians began meeting in one another's
homes because they were afraid to meet openly, and incur the hatred
of the jews and the contempt of the roman soldiers seeking them out.
The *believers* are the church, and if you are a believer then you are
also a part of the church, which is the body of Christ.
Good answer.
I hope matty pays attention and stops asking stupid questions. Or....
maybe he can go back to his normal stupid questions:

1. When was Jesus born?
2. Can you prove the Holy Spirit exists?
3.Why do you call your priests "father?"
4. Where can we find "trinity" in the Bible?
5. Do Catholics follow the Old Testament?
6. Why does the RCC follow Mithraism?
7. How about that pope of yours?
8. Why does the RCC support and defend pedophiles?
9. Why did the RCC sell indulgences?
10 Why did the RCC murder so many people throughout history?
11 Where can you find purgatory in the Bible?
12 Why do you call your priests: "Father?"
13. Cannibalism
14. Mary had several children...
15. Do Catholics follow the 10 commandments?
16. Why do Catholics hate gay people?
17. RCC has a history of evil and murder...
MattB
2018-03-04 21:14:14 UTC
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Post by MattB
The Bible teaches that salvation does
not require a Church this I know.
prove it, pedo-lover.
Patrick Barker I thought I had told you to go into the corner and shut
up.
No where did Jesus say it was required.
You know..the first century Christians began meeting in one another's
homes because they were afraid to meet openly, and incur the hatred
of the jews and the contempt of the roman soldiers seeking them out.
The *believers* are the church, and if you are a believer then you are
also a part of the church, which is the body of Christ.
Good answer.
I hope matty pays attention and stops asking stupid questions. Or....
1. When was Jesus born?
2. Can you prove the Holy Spirit exists?
3.Why do you call your priests "father?"
4. Where can we find "trinity" in the Bible?
5. Do Catholics follow the Old Testament?
6. Why does the RCC follow Mithraism?
7. How about that pope of yours?
8. Why does the RCC support and defend pedophiles?
9. Why did the RCC sell indulgences?
10 Why did the RCC murder so many people throughout history?
11 Where can you find purgatory in the Bible?
12 Why do you call your priests: "Father?"
13. Cannibalism
14. Mary had several children...
15. Do Catholics follow the 10 commandments?
16. Why do Catholics hate gay people?
17. RCC has a history of evil and murder...
Patrick Barker was born with all the answer so never needed to ask any
questions.
Pøœt B
2018-03-04 22:00:38 UTC
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Post by Pøœt B
Post by MattB
The Bible teaches that salvation does
not require a Church this I know.
prove it, pedo-lover.
Patrick Barker I thought I had told you to go into the corner and shut
up.
No where did Jesus say it was required.
You know..the first century Christians began meeting in one another's
homes because they were afraid to meet openly, and incur the hatred
of the jews and the contempt of the roman soldiers seeking them out.
The *believers* are the church, and if you are a believer then you are
also a part of the church, which is the body of Christ.
Good answer.
I hope matty pays attention and stops asking stupid questions. Or....
1. When was Jesus born?
2. Can you prove the Holy Spirit exists?
3.Why do you call your priests "father?"
4. Where can we find "trinity" in the Bible?
5. Do Catholics follow the Old Testament?
6. Why does the RCC follow Mithraism?
7. How about that pope of yours?
8. Why does the RCC support and defend pedophiles?
9. Why did the RCC sell indulgences?
10 Why did the RCC murder so many people throughout history?
11 Where can you find purgatory in the Bible?
12 Why do you call your priests: "Father?"
13. Cannibalism
14. Mary had several children...
15. Do Catholics follow the 10 commandments?
16. Why do Catholics hate gay people?
17. RCC has a history of evil and murder...
Patrick Barker was born with all the answer so never needed to ask any
questions.
I don't know all the answers.
But, I do know where to find them.
MattB
2018-03-04 22:39:58 UTC
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Post by MattB
The Bible teaches that salvation does
not require a Church this I know.
prove it, pedo-lover.
Patrick Barker I thought I had told you to go into the corner and shut
up.
No where did Jesus say it was required.
You know..the first century Christians began meeting in one another's
homes because they were afraid to meet openly, and incur the hatred
of the jews and the contempt of the roman soldiers seeking them out.
The *believers* are the church, and if you are a believer then you are
also a part of the church, which is the body of Christ.
Good answer.
I hope matty pays attention and stops asking stupid questions. Or....
1. When was Jesus born?
2. Can you prove the Holy Spirit exists?
3.Why do you call your priests "father?"
4. Where can we find "trinity" in the Bible?
5. Do Catholics follow the Old Testament?
6. Why does the RCC follow Mithraism?
7. How about that pope of yours?
8. Why does the RCC support and defend pedophiles?
9. Why did the RCC sell indulgences?
10 Why did the RCC murder so many people throughout history?
11 Where can you find purgatory in the Bible?
12 Why do you call your priests: "Father?"
13. Cannibalism
14. Mary had several children...
15. Do Catholics follow the 10 commandments?
16. Why do Catholics hate gay people?
17. RCC has a history of evil and murder...
Patrick Barker was born with all the answer so never needed to ask any
questions.
I don't know all the answers.
But, I do know where to find them.
Then you should have no problem with my questions but they do seem to
threaten your RCC.
Pøœt B
2018-03-04 23:27:13 UTC
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The Bible teaches that salvation does
not require a Church this I know.
prove it, pedo-lover.
Patrick Barker I thought I had told you to go into the corner and shut
up.
No where did Jesus say it was required.
You know..the first century Christians began meeting in one another's
homes because they were afraid to meet openly, and incur the hatred
of the jews and the contempt of the roman soldiers seeking them out.
The *believers* are the church, and if you are a believer then you are
also a part of the church, which is the body of Christ.
Good answer.
I hope matty pays attention and stops asking stupid questions. Or....
1. When was Jesus born?
2. Can you prove the Holy Spirit exists?
3.Why do you call your priests "father?"
4. Where can we find "trinity" in the Bible?
5. Do Catholics follow the Old Testament?
6. Why does the RCC follow Mithraism?
7. How about that pope of yours?
8. Why does the RCC support and defend pedophiles?
9. Why did the RCC sell indulgences?
10 Why did the RCC murder so many people throughout history?
11 Where can you find purgatory in the Bible?
12 Why do you call your priests: "Father?"
13. Cannibalism
14. Mary had several children...
15. Do Catholics follow the 10 commandments?
16. Why do Catholics hate gay people?
17. RCC has a history of evil and murder...
Patrick Barker was born with all the answer so never needed to ask any
questions.
I don't know all the answers.
But, I do know where to find them.
Then you should have no problem with my questions but they do seem to
threaten your RCC.
I have no problem with your questions.
And, I have answered all of them.
Several times.
MattB
2018-03-04 23:59:41 UTC
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The Bible teaches that salvation does
not require a Church this I know.
prove it, pedo-lover.
Patrick Barker I thought I had told you to go into the corner and shut
up.
No where did Jesus say it was required.
You know..the first century Christians began meeting in one another's
homes because they were afraid to meet openly, and incur the hatred
of the jews and the contempt of the roman soldiers seeking them out.
The *believers* are the church, and if you are a believer then you are
also a part of the church, which is the body of Christ.
Good answer.
I hope matty pays attention and stops asking stupid questions. Or....
1. When was Jesus born?
2. Can you prove the Holy Spirit exists?
3.Why do you call your priests "father?"
4. Where can we find "trinity" in the Bible?
5. Do Catholics follow the Old Testament?
6. Why does the RCC follow Mithraism?
7. How about that pope of yours?
8. Why does the RCC support and defend pedophiles?
9. Why did the RCC sell indulgences?
10 Why did the RCC murder so many people throughout history?
11 Where can you find purgatory in the Bible?
12 Why do you call your priests: "Father?"
13. Cannibalism
14. Mary had several children...
15. Do Catholics follow the 10 commandments?
16. Why do Catholics hate gay people?
17. RCC has a history of evil and murder...
Patrick Barker was born with all the answer so never needed to ask any
questions.
I don't know all the answers.
But, I do know where to find them.
Then you should have no problem with my questions but they do seem to
threaten your RCC.
I have no problem with your questions.
And, I have answered all of them.
Several times.
You normally don't answer anything you post long off topic post and
then claim they so.

What you normally do is just insult and talk about this Larry guy.
Michael Christ
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None of them, unfortunately.





Michael Christ
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http://www.yahoo.com

Serial Pedophile With 300 Year Sentence Freed on Technicality, Won't
Have to Register as Sex Offender
Newsweek Christina Zhao



A convicted pedophile who was sentenced to 300 years for sexually
assaulting six children has been freed from Arkansas Valley Correctional
Facility in Colorado.

Michael McFadden, 46, was released on Tuesday after the Colorado Court
of Appeals decided his right to a speedy trial had been violated.
McFadden’s trial, which was scheduled for 2015, was delayed past the
statutory requirements and courts ruled that he could not be retried.

McFadden was released from custody and will not have to register as a
sex offender because his convictions were vacated.

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“We are without remedy,” Dan Rubinstein, Mesa County District Attorney,
told The Grand Junction Daily Sentinel. "The thing that is so
frustrating is that everybody agrees that every decision was made to the
benefit of protecting [McFadden's] right to a speedy trial."

Screen Shot 2018-03-02 at 15 Convicted child sex offender, Michael
McFadden, who was sentenced to 300 years, was released from a Colorado
prison on Tuesday because of a legal technicality. Screenshot

After his conviction and sentencing in 2015, McFadden’s lawyer sought to
add provisions in the juror questionnaire which delayed the trial. An
appeals court held in June 2017 that the delay could not be attributed
to McFadden and that his case would not be brought to trail again.

In February, the state Supreme Court decided not to hear the appeal
which effectively allowed the lower court's ruling, reported USA Today.

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Could Be Used for Medicine

Without this additional language in the jury questionnaire, "the trial
would have gone forward as originally scheduled. However, under the
unique circumstances of this case, we cannot attribute the delay to
[McFadden]," Judge Jerry N. Jones wrote in the ruling.

"The prosecutor expressly agreed to the jury questionnaire as drafted by
defense counsel, and the trial court accepted it as tendered," Jones
added. "Because defendant did not agree to or otherwise occasion a
necessary continuance, he cannot be charged with the trial delay."

David Waites, the prosecutor for the case, said the trial in 2015 was
traumatic for the victims, who were predominately young boys.

"[McFadden] befriends people who have young kids and then he gets into a
situation where he has access to those kids, and he grooms them pretty
heavily," Waite said.

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According to The Daily Sentinel, McFadden would take his victims out for
rides on four-wheelers and dirt bikes and then molest them, mostly at
night. "[There were] a couple ugly incidents at [Gunnison River] the
roller dam," Waite said.
Robert
2018-03-03 05:09:50 UTC
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What Church most closely follows the teaching of Jesus?
What organized church most closely follows the teaching of Jesus??
http://www.yahoo.com
Serial Pedophile With 300 Year Sentence Freed on Technicality, Won't
Have to Register as Sex Offender
Newsweek Christina Zhao
A convicted pedophile who was sentenced to 300 years for sexually
assaulting six children has been freed from Arkansas Valley Correctional
Facility in Colorado.
Michael McFadden, 46, was released on Tuesday after the Colorado Court
of Appeals decided his right to a speedy trial had been violated.
McFadden’s trial, which was scheduled for 2015, was delayed past the
statutory requirements and courts ruled that he could not be retried.
McFadden was released from custody and will not have to register as a
sex offender because his convictions were vacated.
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“We are without remedy,” Dan Rubinstein, Mesa County District Attorney,
told The Grand Junction Daily Sentinel. "The thing that is so
frustrating is that everybody agrees that every decision was made to the
benefit of protecting [McFadden's] right to a speedy trial."
Screen Shot 2018-03-02 at 15 Convicted child sex offender, Michael
McFadden, who was sentenced to 300 years, was released from a Colorado
prison on Tuesday because of a legal technicality. Screenshot
After his conviction and sentencing in 2015, McFadden’s lawyer sought to
add provisions in the juror questionnaire which delayed the trial. An
appeals court held in June 2017 that the delay could not be attributed
to McFadden and that his case would not be brought to trail again.
In February, the state Supreme Court decided not to hear the appeal
which effectively allowed the lower court's ruling, reported USA Today.
Don't miss: Yellowstone Hot Springs Host a Shape-Shifting Virus That
Could Be Used for Medicine
Without this additional language in the jury questionnaire, "the trial
would have gone forward as originally scheduled. However, under the
unique circumstances of this case, we cannot attribute the delay to
[McFadden]," Judge Jerry N. Jones wrote in the ruling.
"The prosecutor expressly agreed to the jury questionnaire as drafted by
defense counsel, and the trial court accepted it as tendered," Jones
added. "Because defendant did not agree to or otherwise occasion a
necessary continuance, he cannot be charged with the trial delay."
David Waites, the prosecutor for the case, said the trial in 2015 was
traumatic for the victims, who were predominately young boys.
"[McFadden] befriends people who have young kids and then he gets into a
situation where he has access to those kids, and he grooms them pretty
heavily," Waite said.
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According to The Daily Sentinel, McFadden would take his victims out for
rides on four-wheelers and dirt bikes and then molest them, mostly at
night. "[There were] a couple ugly incidents at [Gunnison River] the
roller dam," Waite said.
If I had to bet, that man will be dead in less than 5 years at the
hands of someone related to the case.
R☼d
2018-03-03 14:47:00 UTC
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Post by R☼d
Post by MattB
What Church most closely follows the teaching of Jesus?
What organized church most closely follows the teaching of Jesus??
http://www.yahoo.com
Serial Pedophile With 300 Year Sentence Freed on Technicality, Won't
Have to Register as Sex Offender
Newsweek Christina Zhao
A convicted pedophile who was sentenced to 300 years for sexually
assaulting six children has been freed from Arkansas Valley Correctional
Facility in Colorado.
Michael McFadden, 46, was released on Tuesday after the Colorado Court
of Appeals decided his right to a speedy trial had been violated.
McFadden’s trial, which was scheduled for 2015, was delayed past the
statutory requirements and courts ruled that he could not be retried.
McFadden was released from custody and will not have to register as a
sex offender because his convictions were vacated.
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“We are without remedy,” Dan Rubinstein, Mesa County District Attorney,
told The Grand Junction Daily Sentinel. "The thing that is so
frustrating is that everybody agrees that every decision was made to the
benefit of protecting [McFadden's] right to a speedy trial."
Screen Shot 2018-03-02 at 15 Convicted child sex offender, Michael
McFadden, who was sentenced to 300 years, was released from a Colorado
prison on Tuesday because of a legal technicality. Screenshot
After his conviction and sentencing in 2015, McFadden’s lawyer sought to
add provisions in the juror questionnaire which delayed the trial. An
appeals court held in June 2017 that the delay could not be attributed
to McFadden and that his case would not be brought to trail again.
In February, the state Supreme Court decided not to hear the appeal
which effectively allowed the lower court's ruling, reported USA Today.
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Could Be Used for Medicine
Without this additional language in the jury questionnaire, "the trial
would have gone forward as originally scheduled. However, under the
unique circumstances of this case, we cannot attribute the delay to
[McFadden]," Judge Jerry N. Jones wrote in the ruling.
"The prosecutor expressly agreed to the jury questionnaire as drafted by
defense counsel, and the trial court accepted it as tendered," Jones
added. "Because defendant did not agree to or otherwise occasion a
necessary continuance, he cannot be charged with the trial delay."
David Waites, the prosecutor for the case, said the trial in 2015 was
traumatic for the victims, who were predominately young boys.
"[McFadden] befriends people who have young kids and then he gets into a
situation where he has access to those kids, and he grooms them pretty
heavily," Waite said.
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According to The Daily Sentinel, McFadden would take his victims out for
rides on four-wheelers and dirt bikes and then molest them, mostly at
night. "[There were] a couple ugly incidents at [Gunnison River] the
roller dam," Waite said.
If I had to bet, that man will be dead in less than 5 years at the
hands of someone related to the case.
God's will be done.
Robert
2018-03-03 22:25:22 UTC
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Post by R☼d
Post by MattB
What Church most closely follows the teaching of Jesus?
What organized church most closely follows the teaching of Jesus??
http://www.yahoo.com
Serial Pedophile With 300 Year Sentence Freed on Technicality, Won't
Have to Register as Sex Offender
Newsweek Christina Zhao
A convicted pedophile who was sentenced to 300 years for sexually
assaulting six children has been freed from Arkansas Valley Correctional
Facility in Colorado.
Michael McFadden, 46, was released on Tuesday after the Colorado Court
of Appeals decided his right to a speedy trial had been violated.
McFadden’s trial, which was scheduled for 2015, was delayed past the
statutory requirements and courts ruled that he could not be retried.
McFadden was released from custody and will not have to register as a
sex offender because his convictions were vacated.
Trending: In Pictures: From Berlin to New York, 20 Cities Millennials Love
“We are without remedy,” Dan Rubinstein, Mesa County District Attorney,
told The Grand Junction Daily Sentinel. "The thing that is so
frustrating is that everybody agrees that every decision was made to the
benefit of protecting [McFadden's] right to a speedy trial."
Screen Shot 2018-03-02 at 15 Convicted child sex offender, Michael
McFadden, who was sentenced to 300 years, was released from a Colorado
prison on Tuesday because of a legal technicality. Screenshot
After his conviction and sentencing in 2015, McFadden’s lawyer sought to
add provisions in the juror questionnaire which delayed the trial. An
appeals court held in June 2017 that the delay could not be attributed
to McFadden and that his case would not be brought to trail again.
In February, the state Supreme Court decided not to hear the appeal
which effectively allowed the lower court's ruling, reported USA Today.
Don't miss: Yellowstone Hot Springs Host a Shape-Shifting Virus That
Could Be Used for Medicine
Without this additional language in the jury questionnaire, "the trial
would have gone forward as originally scheduled. However, under the
unique circumstances of this case, we cannot attribute the delay to
[McFadden]," Judge Jerry N. Jones wrote in the ruling.
"The prosecutor expressly agreed to the jury questionnaire as drafted by
defense counsel, and the trial court accepted it as tendered," Jones
added. "Because defendant did not agree to or otherwise occasion a
necessary continuance, he cannot be charged with the trial delay."
David Waites, the prosecutor for the case, said the trial in 2015 was
traumatic for the victims, who were predominately young boys.
"[McFadden] befriends people who have young kids and then he gets into a
situation where he has access to those kids, and he grooms them pretty
heavily," Waite said.
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According to The Daily Sentinel, McFadden would take his victims out for
rides on four-wheelers and dirt bikes and then molest them, mostly at
night. "[There were] a couple ugly incidents at [Gunnison River] the
roller dam," Waite said.
If I had to bet, that man will be dead in less than 5 years at the
hands of someone related to the case.
God's will be done.
If it is, he will live his normal age and then receive his just
rewards at the hands of God.
R☼d
2018-03-03 22:35:01 UTC
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Post by Robert
Post by R☼d
Post by MattB
What Church most closely follows the teaching of Jesus?
What organized church most closely follows the teaching of Jesus??
http://www.yahoo.com
Serial Pedophile With 300 Year Sentence Freed on Technicality, Won't
Have to Register as Sex Offender
Newsweek Christina Zhao
A convicted pedophile who was sentenced to 300 years for sexually
assaulting six children has been freed from Arkansas Valley Correctional
Facility in Colorado.
Michael McFadden, 46, was released on Tuesday after the Colorado Court
of Appeals decided his right to a speedy trial had been violated.
McFadden’s trial, which was scheduled for 2015, was delayed past the
statutory requirements and courts ruled that he could not be retried.
McFadden was released from custody and will not have to register as a
sex offender because his convictions were vacated.
Trending: In Pictures: From Berlin to New York, 20 Cities Millennials Love
“We are without remedy,” Dan Rubinstein, Mesa County District Attorney,
told The Grand Junction Daily Sentinel. "The thing that is so
frustrating is that everybody agrees that every decision was made to the
benefit of protecting [McFadden's] right to a speedy trial."
Screen Shot 2018-03-02 at 15 Convicted child sex offender, Michael
McFadden, who was sentenced to 300 years, was released from a Colorado
prison on Tuesday because of a legal technicality. Screenshot
After his conviction and sentencing in 2015, McFadden’s lawyer sought to
add provisions in the juror questionnaire which delayed the trial. An
appeals court held in June 2017 that the delay could not be attributed
to McFadden and that his case would not be brought to trail again.
In February, the state Supreme Court decided not to hear the appeal
which effectively allowed the lower court's ruling, reported USA Today.
Don't miss: Yellowstone Hot Springs Host a Shape-Shifting Virus That
Could Be Used for Medicine
Without this additional language in the jury questionnaire, "the trial
would have gone forward as originally scheduled. However, under the
unique circumstances of this case, we cannot attribute the delay to
[McFadden]," Judge Jerry N. Jones wrote in the ruling.
"The prosecutor expressly agreed to the jury questionnaire as drafted by
defense counsel, and the trial court accepted it as tendered," Jones
added. "Because defendant did not agree to or otherwise occasion a
necessary continuance, he cannot be charged with the trial delay."
David Waites, the prosecutor for the case, said the trial in 2015 was
traumatic for the victims, who were predominately young boys.
"[McFadden] befriends people who have young kids and then he gets into a
situation where he has access to those kids, and he grooms them pretty
heavily," Waite said.
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According to The Daily Sentinel, McFadden would take his victims out for
rides on four-wheelers and dirt bikes and then molest them, mostly at
night. "[There were] a couple ugly incidents at [Gunnison River] the
roller dam," Waite said.
If I had to bet, that man will be dead in less than 5 years at the
hands of someone related to the case.
God's will be done.
If it is, he will live his normal age and then receive his just
rewards at the hands of God.
And what about forgiveness for his sins, and those that may be
unwilling to forgive him? He can't contact his victims to ask
their forgiveness without great risk. What then?
Robert
2018-03-03 23:25:24 UTC
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What Church most closely follows the teaching of Jesus?
What organized church most closely follows the teaching of Jesus??
http://www.yahoo.com
Serial Pedophile With 300 Year Sentence Freed on Technicality, Won't
Have to Register as Sex Offender
Newsweek Christina Zhao
A convicted pedophile who was sentenced to 300 years for sexually
assaulting six children has been freed from Arkansas Valley Correctional
Facility in Colorado.
Michael McFadden, 46, was released on Tuesday after the Colorado Court
of Appeals decided his right to a speedy trial had been violated.
McFadden’s trial, which was scheduled for 2015, was delayed past the
statutory requirements and courts ruled that he could not be retried.
McFadden was released from custody and will not have to register as a
sex offender because his convictions were vacated.
Trending: In Pictures: From Berlin to New York, 20 Cities Millennials Love
“We are without remedy,” Dan Rubinstein, Mesa County District Attorney,
told The Grand Junction Daily Sentinel. "The thing that is so
frustrating is that everybody agrees that every decision was made to the
benefit of protecting [McFadden's] right to a speedy trial."
Screen Shot 2018-03-02 at 15 Convicted child sex offender, Michael
McFadden, who was sentenced to 300 years, was released from a Colorado
prison on Tuesday because of a legal technicality. Screenshot
After his conviction and sentencing in 2015, McFadden’s lawyer sought to
add provisions in the juror questionnaire which delayed the trial. An
appeals court held in June 2017 that the delay could not be attributed
to McFadden and that his case would not be brought to trail again.
In February, the state Supreme Court decided not to hear the appeal
which effectively allowed the lower court's ruling, reported USA Today.
Don't miss: Yellowstone Hot Springs Host a Shape-Shifting Virus That
Could Be Used for Medicine
Without this additional language in the jury questionnaire, "the trial
would have gone forward as originally scheduled. However, under the
unique circumstances of this case, we cannot attribute the delay to
[McFadden]," Judge Jerry N. Jones wrote in the ruling.
"The prosecutor expressly agreed to the jury questionnaire as drafted by
defense counsel, and the trial court accepted it as tendered," Jones
added. "Because defendant did not agree to or otherwise occasion a
necessary continuance, he cannot be charged with the trial delay."
David Waites, the prosecutor for the case, said the trial in 2015 was
traumatic for the victims, who were predominately young boys.
"[McFadden] befriends people who have young kids and then he gets into a
situation where he has access to those kids, and he grooms them pretty
heavily," Waite said.
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According to The Daily Sentinel, McFadden would take his victims out for
rides on four-wheelers and dirt bikes and then molest them, mostly at
night. "[There were] a couple ugly incidents at [Gunnison River] the
roller dam," Waite said.
If I had to bet, that man will be dead in less than 5 years at the
hands of someone related to the case.
God's will be done.
If it is, he will live his normal age and then receive his just
rewards at the hands of God.
And what about forgiveness for his sins, and those that may be
unwilling to forgive him? He can't contact his victims to ask
their forgiveness without great risk. What then?
If he doesn't seek forgiveness and repent, then nothing changes, his
reward will be appropriate, in the Lake of Fire and Brimstone.

If he did repent and ask for forgiveness from God, and God knows our
hearts, then he should as you suggest seek the forgiveness of the
people he harmed. They don't have to forgive him unless they were
believers. He can write letters and register them for delivery to the
appropriate people. But his duty is to ask for forgiveness.

The judgment and laws of men are not dismissed because one is forgiven
of God, and they should realize that.

It is all a huge can of worms. The children need the healing power of
the Lord to literally operate in their minds, hearts and bodies to be
restored. I couldn't even begin to understand all the pain and
suffering that the kids must go through, and often it hangs on to them
throughout all their lives. This is where the rubber meets the road
with respect to our lives with God.
R☼d
2018-03-04 00:23:46 UTC
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What Church most closely follows the teaching of Jesus?
What organized church most closely follows the teaching of Jesus??
http://www.yahoo.com
Serial Pedophile With 300 Year Sentence Freed on Technicality, Won't
Have to Register as Sex Offender
Newsweek Christina Zhao
A convicted pedophile who was sentenced to 300 years for sexually
assaulting six children has been freed from Arkansas Valley Correctional
Facility in Colorado.
Michael McFadden, 46, was released on Tuesday after the Colorado Court
of Appeals decided his right to a speedy trial had been violated.
McFadden’s trial, which was scheduled for 2015, was delayed past the
statutory requirements and courts ruled that he could not be retried.
McFadden was released from custody and will not have to register as a
sex offender because his convictions were vacated.
Trending: In Pictures: From Berlin to New York, 20 Cities Millennials Love
“We are without remedy,” Dan Rubinstein, Mesa County District Attorney,
told The Grand Junction Daily Sentinel. "The thing that is so
frustrating is that everybody agrees that every decision was made to the
benefit of protecting [McFadden's] right to a speedy trial."
Screen Shot 2018-03-02 at 15 Convicted child sex offender, Michael
McFadden, who was sentenced to 300 years, was released from a Colorado
prison on Tuesday because of a legal technicality. Screenshot
After his conviction and sentencing in 2015, McFadden’s lawyer sought to
add provisions in the juror questionnaire which delayed the trial. An
appeals court held in June 2017 that the delay could not be attributed
to McFadden and that his case would not be brought to trail again.
In February, the state Supreme Court decided not to hear the appeal
which effectively allowed the lower court's ruling, reported USA Today.
Don't miss: Yellowstone Hot Springs Host a Shape-Shifting Virus That
Could Be Used for Medicine
Without this additional language in the jury questionnaire, "the trial
would have gone forward as originally scheduled. However, under the
unique circumstances of this case, we cannot attribute the delay to
[McFadden]," Judge Jerry N. Jones wrote in the ruling.
"The prosecutor expressly agreed to the jury questionnaire as drafted by
defense counsel, and the trial court accepted it as tendered," Jones
added. "Because defendant did not agree to or otherwise occasion a
necessary continuance, he cannot be charged with the trial delay."
David Waites, the prosecutor for the case, said the trial in 2015 was
traumatic for the victims, who were predominately young boys.
"[McFadden] befriends people who have young kids and then he gets into a
situation where he has access to those kids, and he grooms them pretty
heavily," Waite said.
Most popular: Cryptocurrency Crackdown: SEC Probe Heaps Regulatory
Pressure on Multi-Billion-Dollar Market
According to The Daily Sentinel, McFadden would take his victims out for
rides on four-wheelers and dirt bikes and then molest them, mostly at
night. "[There were] a couple ugly incidents at [Gunnison River] the
roller dam," Waite said.
If I had to bet, that man will be dead in less than 5 years at the
hands of someone related to the case.
God's will be done.
If it is, he will live his normal age and then receive his just
rewards at the hands of God.
And what about forgiveness for his sins, and those that may be
unwilling to forgive him? He can't contact his victims to ask
their forgiveness without great risk. What then?
If he doesn't seek forgiveness and repent, then nothing changes, his
reward will be appropriate, in the Lake of Fire and Brimstone.
If he did repent and ask for forgiveness from God, and God knows our
hearts, then he should as you suggest seek the forgiveness of the
people he harmed. They don't have to forgive him unless they were
believers. He can write letters and register them for delivery to the
appropriate people. But his duty is to ask for forgiveness.
The judgment and laws of men are not dismissed because one is forgiven
of God, and they should realize that.
It is all a huge can of worms. The children need the healing power of
the Lord to literally operate in their minds, hearts and bodies to be
restored. I couldn't even begin to understand all the pain and
suffering that the kids must go through, and often it hangs on to them
throughout all their lives. This is where the rubber meets the road
with respect to our lives with God.
agreed.
duke
2018-03-04 13:09:57 UTC
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If he doesn't seek forgiveness and repent, then nothing changes, his
reward will be appropriate, in the Lake of Fire and Brimstone.
If he did repent and ask for forgiveness from God, and God knows our
hearts, then he should as you suggest seek the forgiveness of the
people he harmed. They don't have to forgive him unless they were
believers. He can write letters and register them for delivery to the
appropriate people. But his duty is to ask for forgiveness.
The judgment and laws of men are not dismissed because one is forgiven
of God, and they should realize that.
Now that's an interesting pagan idea - salvation based on human forgiveness??

the dukester, American-American


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but to form, not to teach but to live.

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Robert
2018-03-03 03:01:56 UTC
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What Church most closely follows the teaching of Jesus?
ekkle¯sia
ek-klay-see'-ah
From a compound of G1537 and a derivative of G2564; a calling out,
that is, (concretely) a popular meeting, especially a religious
congregation (Jewish synagogue, or Christian community of members on
earth or saints in heaven or both): - assembly, church.

Just to be clear that the bible does not specify a religion, Christian
religion. It speaks of the church at....., the body of Christ being a
church, and it also speaks of the Church in heaven.

There are a number of Churches that approach being a "New Testament"
church, some with a stronger desire for it than others. Mostly they
are independent churches, although you might find a few "big brand"
churches who have some semi-independent churches that are on fire for
Jesus.
Post by MattB
What organized church most closely follows the teaching of Jesus??
There is one church that is very public, in Oklahoma whose main pastor
is Duane Sheriff, and while the guy might seem a bit quirky at times,
or take a little getting used to, his teachings are right on the
money. He has many recorded videos and voice only versions free for
viewing and listening. He has branch churches and there is a bunch of
those, and I'm not sure what all else.

I find in listening to him and a few of his series of teachings that
he is straight on biblical, and he definitely teaches from a heart of
Love. He also has live services to view on the net.

https://pastorduane.com/

If you scroll down a bit I think you will see the various series, or
I can send a link to one of them and from there you can see the others
if you are interested.

He has one series on Forgiveness that I found really good and helpful,
and from what I have seen he had d/l's in the same area for notes,
like the scriptures he uses.

There are other New Testament Churches around, as well, I just don't
have links for them

Oh, and Rod, if you read this, check out Acts chapter 15 in regards to
what you posted about the law and churches. You will probably find it
surprising.
Colonel Edmund J. Burke
2018-03-04 18:43:54 UTC
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What organized church most closely follows the teaching of Jesus??
Jesus was a goat sniffer.
Pøœt B
2018-03-04 19:16:18 UTC
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Post by Colonel Edmund J. Burke
Post by MattB
What Church most closely follows the teaching of Jesus?
What organized church most closely follows the teaching of Jesus??
Jesus was a goat sniffer.
Is that what your cult teaches?
Tell us more.
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